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CommissarMega posted:IIRC the troll hero Bogus and his friends from Dominions are even based on the Earthdawn characters made by the devs and their mates. Not really, as every Horror worth their salt has two interlinked bodies: physical one and Astral one. Destroying only one of them in best case only slows the Horror down until it regenerates the missing part. Until you have a way to get both forms simultaneously, you're not doing anything to them. How powerful they are? One of the strongest ones in the Earthdawn main book killed plenty of Great Dragons and it's not even the strongest Horror in existence, just one of the strongest that could still sustain itself despite lowered level of magic. Another one straight out corrupted three Passions (very big and powerful totems) through their Questors, immediately making both the beings and their worshippers insane and homicidal.
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the best way to fight the horrors is to stop them getting here at all. who knows, since they follow the magic cycles for sustenance, maybe they'll just starve in the outer planes? or, hell, once they get here, lock them in with us. that might work too. eventually. i guess when it comes to actually fighting them, technically murdering one physically and then in the astral isn't *wholly* out of metahumanity's reach, but it seems implausible.
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Part of the problem is that Aztlan/Aztechnology's less savory practices -- either intentionally or unwittingly -- serve to weaken the barrier that normally keeps the Horrors out until the rising mana levels allow them to overwhelm it with brute force. ETA ... Yes, this is about as wise as a bunch of Elder God cultists in Call of Ctulhu attempting to hasten the awakening of He Who Waits Dreaming In R'Lyeh. About the only boon you can reasonably hope for is that you'll be eaten first and therefore won't have to suffer as much.
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Mar 9, 2020 19:24
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Gantolandon posted:Not really, as every Horror worth their salt has two interlinked bodies: physical one and Astral one. Destroying only one of them in best case only slows the Horror down until it regenerates the missing part. Until you have a way to get both forms simultaneously, you're not doing anything to them. Mass-produced FAB3 sounds like it should still be useful against the Horrors, then.
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Mar 9, 2020 21:43
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I'd give metahumanity about even odds against the Horrors. Primarily because we are very good at finding ways to kill things, but mostly on a meta angle because I assume they want to keep selling games and "the last remnants of metahumanity hiding in a low-magic bunker" does not have the same pink-mohawks-and-pleather appeal. Although if you do want to run that, I'd suggest switching to Paranoia.
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taiyoko posted:Mass-produced FAB3 sounds like it should still be useful against the Horrors, then. It's not a guaranteed fix. FAB3 has an astral presence and can be fought like a spirit, and Horrors are extremely strong on the astral. That said, even they would be eaten by the massive clouds of it that hover over Chicago's leylines. wiegieman fucked around with this message at 22:32 on Mar 9, 2020 |
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Mar 9, 2020 22:24
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Just tell them we're not home.
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Dareon posted:I'd give metahumanity about even odds against the Horrors. Primarily because we are very good at finding ways to kill things, but mostly on a meta angle because I assume they want to keep selling games and "the last remnants of metahumanity hiding in a low-magic bunker" does not have the same pink-mohawks-and-pleather appeal. The arrival of horrors would pretty much change the setting into something else more or less regardless of how it turns out. That's why it will be a looming threat, but never happen. That and the fact when FASA broke up, the rights to Shadowrun and Earthdawn (and with it horrors) went to different companies, so they probably couldn't do it if they wanted.
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Mar 9, 2020 23:35
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lol finally breaking through the veil, ready to devour humanity, is a blurred-out heavily redacted cosmic "terror" that each time someone tries to name they get cut off by loud noises
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Mar 9, 2020 23:40
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I dont know posted:The arrival of horrors would pretty much change the setting into something else more or less regardless of how it turns out. That's why it will be a looming threat, but never happen. That and the fact when FASA broke up, the rights to Shadowrun and Earthdawn (and with it horrors) went to different companies, so they probably couldn't do it if they wanted. Capitalism and IP laws save the day again
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Mar 9, 2020 23:55
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Earthdawn was fun, if batshit. Latest splat book for Shadowrun has an update re insect spirits: don’t read if you don’t want to see spoilers on latest metaplot. As everyone guessed, Ares was loving about trying to use them and it all went horribly wrong. Specifically, Ares decided to invade the insect home plane by using people to reverse-possess the insect spirits and senior execs possibly including Damien Knight got themselves infested in the process. A lot of people are now dead, including DK, and Detroit came within a whisker of getting the Chicago treatment. Also something ate 100k UCAS soldiers in an instant. Also also, some of the hybrid insect spirits can hold a proper conversation and are trying to make nice, and revealed that the insect plane is functionally infinite, and also teeming with insects. A lot of other very significant changes happen too; it was a pretty wild ride.
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One important thing to remember about insect spirits is that they are not monolothic. Within a hive they all co-operate, but two Queens can and will go to war with each other.
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HardDiskD posted:Capitalism and IP laws save the day again  Beefeater1980 posted:Earthdawn was fun, if batshit. HOLY poo poo. e: which splatbook is this? habeasdorkus fucked around with this message at 01:39 on Mar 10, 2020 |
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Mar 10, 2020 01:26
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paragon1 posted:Just tell them we're not home. That's when they deploy the most cunning of all techniques. They'll say they're delivering a candygram.
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chiasaur11 posted:That's when they deploy the most cunning of all techniques. Who could have predicted that the Astral Horrors were landsharks! 
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Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:lol Make this be an actual, in-setting thing that happens.
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I dont know posted:The arrival of horrors would pretty much change the setting into something else more or less regardless of how it turns out. That's why it will be a looming threat, but never happen. That and the fact when FASA broke up, the rights to Shadowrun and Earthdawn (and with it horrors) went to different companies, so they probably couldn't do it if they wanted. I mean, the timelines also don't match up. The magic cycle is meant to last thousands of years. By the Earthdawn timeline, horrors aren't due in force for at least a few hundred. Shadowrun advances in parallel with real time.
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habeasdorkus posted:
Cutting Black. Came out in January this year I think. And it gets even more in the bits I haven’t mentioned.
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The Lone Badger posted:Make this be an actual, in-setting thing that happens. Lobotomy Corporation does something like that. One of the monsters you have contained drives people insane just by looking at it. To prevent you from going insane, the interface just turns it into a massive block of censor bars. If it breaches and kills someone it turns the corpse into a smaller monster covered in yet more censor bars.
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Beefeater1980 posted:Latest splat book for Shadowrun has an update re insect spirits: don’t read if you don’t want to see spoilers on latest metaplot. Is it true that this is the big incident that results in the UCAS withdrawing from the Business Recognition Accords? Because that was the HOLY poo poo thing I've heard about.
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CommissarMega posted:Is it true that this is the big incident that results in the UCAS withdrawing from the Business Recognition Accords? Because that was the HOLY poo poo thing I've heard about. Yes.
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BisbyWorl posted:Lobotomy Corporation does something like that. Hmm, the corps could do that. Just install censorware in their employees cybereyes / cyberears etc that redacts the monsters out of existence. Deal with the unnameable horrors breaking into reality by just... not dealing with them. Accept a higher number of personnel disappearances as part of the cost of doing business and keep on keeping on.
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CommissarMega posted:Is it true that this is the big incident that results in the UCAS withdrawing from the Business Recognition Accords? Because that was the HOLY poo poo thing I've heard about. wtf Shadowrun isn't allowed to have interesting repurcussions for things that happen
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What does that UCAS spoiler mean?
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It's the agreement between the nations of the world and the megacorporations that allows the corps extraterritoriality, or to be sovereign nations in and of themselves. If the UCAS doesn't recognize that, then they don't treat corps and their property as foreign countries.
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Yeah, wow. That's a straight up rejection of one of the fundamental setting elements. I mean, there's a hell of a lot of plot setups there, but dang.
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Effortpost incoming, covering updated metaplot: it doesn’t last. But there is plenty of HOLY poo poo that spins off from it. It’s entertaining enough to be worth getting for a full read, but for anyone who is curious the main plot beats are: - Detroit turns into Bug City 2 due to Ares screwing the pooch with insect spirit shenanigans - The insects are beaten back with help from rogue firewatch units plus insect spirits that were reverse-possessed - in the course of the battle, a giant rift explosion takes out the Ares board including Damian Knight. Arthur Vogel, a former board member, steps up as interim CEO - something disappears the entire UCAS III Corps, 100k troops or so, in Pennsylvania on the way to Detroit. They seem to have been instantly killed in the astral plane? Maybe by an early horror? I have no idea. - Ares announces it is leaving UCAS to relocate to the CAS - UCAS revokes the business recognition accords. - the Corporate Court acknowledges the decision. Shortly afterwards, someone simultaneously detonates multiple magic EMPs over about a dozen UCAS cities, zapping their matrix and causing a feeding frenzy of shadow spirits and toxic shamans. - NAN and Quebec invade UCAS. Kentucky secedes. Seattle declares independence from UCAS. St Louis declares independence from UCAS - UCAS re-signs even harsher version of the business recognition accords. President Colloton steps down. A lot of other fairly significant stuff happens. It’s worth a read.
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poo poo, the Corp Court went Operation: Reciprocity on the UCAS. Also, isn’t Ares the main supplier for the UCAS military? Where in the CAS did they relocate to? And with St. Louis gone, the AA remains of Novatech post NeoNET breakup are no longer in UCAS territory too... I assume Kentucky and St. Louis went and joined the CAS or did they go independent as well? The CAS always did have that weird spur up into Missouri to grab East St. Louis and all that. GhostStalker fucked around with this message at 03:26 on Mar 11, 2020 |
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Mar 11, 2020 02:43
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UCAS should reply by loving nuking the Zurich Orbital, frankly.
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Yeah, that's the level of response I would expect from the UCAS saying "no" to the corps.
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Beefeater1980 posted:Effortpost incoming, covering updated metaplot: Man, I was hoping the BRA withdrawal stuck; having actual sovereign nations as a counterbalance to the corps would have been interesting. I mean, yueah, it's cyberpunk, but still. habeasdorkus posted:UCAS should reply by loving nuking the Zurich Orbital, frankly. They do that, they crash the global economy. It's pretty much a 'taking you with me' course of action.
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Beefeater1980 posted:Effortpost incoming, covering updated metaplot: Important thing to remember about Shadowrun: The Corporate Court controls the orbitals. Explains a lot really.
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Can the horrors go to space or are they restricted to planetary surfaces? Wonder if mana fluctuates between solar systems and the horrors just muck about migrating between em.
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IIRC the horrors are stuck on earth. Worst case scenario is that they eat everything on earth, and the only thing left of humanity are the orbitals and the tiny Mars colony that Evo (i think) set up and which is probably not in any way self sustaining.
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CommissarMega posted:Man, I was hoping the BRA withdrawal stuck; having actual sovereign nations as a counterbalance to the corps would have been interesting. I mean, yueah, it's cyberpunk, but still. Yeah, agreed. It makes sense for the setting for things to work out the way they do, but having nation-states as a partial counter-balance to corps would have been pretty interesting, especially since UCAS, even in its diminished state, was on par or greater in GDP./military firepower than the AAAs. And revoking the accords after what happened in Detroit, and Boston before that, and Chicago before THAT, makes a lot of sense from the point of view of anyone who's still got some level of nationalism left in their soul.
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The secret players (immortals, dragons and conspiracies) of the world must be working overtime to prevent a global war. Because that would definitely get the horrors inside.
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Meadowhill posted:Can the horrors go to space or are they restricted to planetary surfaces? Wonder if mana fluctuates between solar systems and the horrors just muck about migrating between em. The manasphere is generated by living things in great enough density, which for our purposes is close to the surface of the Earth. Mages don't like space or suborbital flight at all. There have been a few space stations designed to sustain enough plants and animals to generate a weak but tolerable manasphere, like the ones Ares built to explore the bug planes (wait... poo poo...)
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habeasdorkus posted:IIRC the horrors are stuck on earth. Worst case scenario is that they eat everything on earth, and the only thing left of humanity are the orbitals and the tiny Mars colony that Evo (i think) set up and which is probably not in any way self sustaining. The Evo Gagarin colony is gone, since they all got CFD and became Monads. They assembled a probe and left to explore deep space.
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