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Vandar posted:Yeah, Harley is definitely not as overexposed as Batman, as far as the comics go. They've been shockingly good about that. Harley Quinn doesn't sell that well, so it never quite got to the level of Marvel's hubris of having three Deadpool ongoing at the same time a few years ago. Her solo book has been consistently pretty fun and good for years, but I have not liked almost any of her other appearances otherwise since N52 started. Her as just the Joker-Lite in Suicide Squad was fine but not really a good version of the character outside that specific context. Just as a reminder the month before her solo book started, DC had Harley Quinn explicitly kill a bunch of children in Gotham with exploding gameboys. So dark and adult! Great lead in to a genuinely good comedy book! E: Current Suicide Squad rules though.
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When is Harley going to be a Robin? Weren't we supposed to have a ROBIN WAR?
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Picture Removed Mod Note: Please do not post pictures with links to piracy websites watermarked on them. Lmao. goddamn it Lobdell why must you remind us of your terrible creation. Edit: Strange Adventures looks to be a veiled Mid East War Hero story. Somebody fucked around with this message at 00:54 on Mar 5, 2020 |
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Veiled is an interesting way to put it. I did really like it. Having two kinds of art really works.
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https://twitter.com/neilhimself/status/1235339138972479496 Honestly surprised it's taken this long for The Sandman to get the audio book treatment
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I kind of appreciated how in the latest Batman they try to explain how Joker went from "silly clown themed villain to homicidal demi-god". I am glad someone is at least acknowledging it.
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Madkal posted:I kind of appreciated how in the latest Batman they try to explain how Joker went from "silly clown themed villain to homicidal demi-god". I am glad someone is at least acknowledging it. I think that transition is a overstated. In the Joker's first appearance he was poisoning people to death with Joker gas. Sure, he went soft along with everyone else when the comics code came into effect, and went back to being a brutal killer once that went away, but I don't see how that's any different than with any other villain. The comic was fun but it really overstated how much the villains have "evolved." Civilized Fishbot fucked around with this message at 20:01 on Mar 6, 2020 |
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The whole thing didn't make much sense if you looked at it, it simultaneously tried to do the meta-Neil Gaiman thing of "what happened to the bright carefree capers of the olden days?" thing from that Riddler Secret Origin story he did in the early 1990s. That only makes sense if you pull some sort of "old murderous Batman comics were Earth-2, the original Batman stories on Earth-1 were all the Silver Age silly ones!" But the story also makes explicit repeated mentions of things that would put it in line with the modern-ish retelling of Batman's early days from like Year One and Long Halloween, and I would assume Zero Year and The War of Jokes and Riddles and etc. So the basic timeline they're proposing is: Zero Year: Riddler takes over the whole city and probably kills many thousands of people Year One/Long Halloween: A gang war and a serial killer result in dozens if not hundreds of deaths, Joker attempts to kill an entire neighborhood to root out the "other homicidal maniac" Year Two/The War of Jokes and Riddles: Joker and Riddler have a gang war with deaths in the four figures easily Year Three: Robin joins Batman, no one's a killer and everything is light capers and fun I am sure I am missing a few mass murders in the timeline but I feel like having at least half of the people Designer "upgrades" already having death counts in the thousands undermines the whole concept a bit. Also: what kind of "little kid designing a video game"/Mark Millar garbage is "your plan is a Level 3 complexity, but with my help you can make it Level 12." "OH NO JOKER CAME UP WITH A LEVEL 15 COMPLEX MURDER SCHEME, HE'S OUT OF CONTROL"?
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Edge & Christian posted:Also: what kind of "little kid designing a video game"/Mark Millar garbage is "your plan is a Level 3 complexity, but with my help you can make it Level 12." "OH NO JOKER CAME UP WITH A LEVEL 15 COMPLEX MURDER SCHEME, HE'S OUT OF CONTROL"? For each trope you deploy or person you kill, that's another level of complexity. Batman's saving roll is equal to the complexity level but he can use his Intelligence(Gotham) modifier I assumed the author meant it as the ridiculous pomposity of a supervillain who actually managed to kill the hero and now has to live vicariously through others who are still in the fight. The end of the comic shows that he's not the Machiavellian super-genius he thinks he is.
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Civilized Fishbot posted:I think that transition is a overstated. In the Joker's first appearance he was poisoning people to death with Joker gas. Sure, he went soft along with everyone else when the comics code came into effect, and went back to being a brutal killer once that went away, but I don't see how that's any different than with any other villain. The comic was fun but it really overstated how much the villains have "evolved." I think it is more a trend of modern writers (hello Snyder) trying to make Joker super edgy. Sure he poisoned people in the past, but now he is racking up kill counts in the dozens. Sure he used Joker gassed a lot of people but now he is using their body parts to spell his name or some such bullshit.
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Every book being Batman, and all this hype for Punchline has really soured me on the direct market. Besides the X books, and now Strange Adventures, I just don’t care about monthly books anymore.
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Open Marriage Night posted:Every book being Batman, and all this hype for Punchline has really soured me on the direct market. The Punchline hype is definitely all speculators. I have had zero customers beyond the speculators mention her at all, except for a few horny Artgerm fans that want 92 just for the cover. I would be shocked if Punchline exists in a meaningful way in a year. One the other hand if this was Marvel they would have already announced a new ongoing series about her.
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Edge & Christian posted:Also: what kind of "little kid designing a video game"/Mark Millar garbage is "your plan is a Level 3 complexity, but with my help you can make it Level 12." "OH NO JOKER CAME UP WITH A LEVEL 15 COMPLEX MURDER SCHEME, HE'S OUT OF CONTROL"? That's how crime works on Colu, the Designer was just trying to get in on the LoSH hype.
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Rereading Batman: The Cult and it is so good.
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Madkal posted:I think it is more a trend of modern writers (hello Snyder) trying to make Joker super edgy. Sure he poisoned people in the past, but now he is racking up kill counts in the dozens. Sure he used Joker gassed a lot of people but now he is using their body parts to spell his name or some such bullshit. I keep saying this, but the Joker isn't the Joker if there isn't the possibility that he won't kill someone. Like, sometimes the flower that squirts water should just be water and not acid. Or he should find it just as funny to knock some ice cream out of a kid's hand as to murder his family. It's so much more interesting when he's just as apt to pull a harmless prank as he is to kill someone. Like in Whatever Happened to the Caped Crusader? when he tells a kid he doesn't randomly kill people, but only when it's funny.
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I mean, a lot of it has to do with Nolan's Joker as well. That pretty much solidified the mainstream impression of Joker as a calculating serial terrorist, even though it had appeared sporadically in comics before then (the "hidden bomb in the minions' stomach at the police station" scene is basically verbatim from Gotham Central).
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Joker quit killing people in the late 40s and I am up to about '64 across the Batman, Detective comics, and World's finest and he has not started to kill again. I am nearing close to 20 years without a Joker related murder.
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Mr Hootington posted:Joker quit killing people in the late 40s and I am up to about '64 across the Batman, Detective comics, and World's finest and he has not started to kill again. I am nearing close to 20 years without a Joker related murder. I'm curious if you're distinguishing between "killing" and "trying to kill" because I feel like there can still be a pretty broad array of tones under the broader umbrella of "not killing." Murdering vs. Murderous, no Nobel Prize for Attempted Chemistry, etc. Because I know that on TV, at least, even if the Romero Joker didn't succeed at killing anyone some of his various gadgets iirc were still established pretty explicitly as being at least theoretically deadly. I'm asking because 1) I'd never have the fortitude to actually read all of the Batman comics chronologically like you're doing and 2) I'm actually really curious as to whether there are outliers pointing back towards his more murderous Golden Age persona before the famous sea-change of Batman #251 buried amidst the relative obscurities of the era.
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How Wonderful! posted:I'm curious if you're distinguishing between "killing" and "trying to kill" because I feel like there can still be a pretty broad array of tones under the broader umbrella of "not killing." Murdering vs. Murderous, no Nobel Prize for Attempted Chemistry, etc. Because I know that on TV, at least, even if the Romero Joker didn't succeed at killing anyone some of his various gadgets iirc were still established pretty explicitly as being at least theoretically deadly. He tries to kill Batman and Robin with elaborate traps, but nobody else. I have not gotten to #251 yet. Edit: Golden Age Joker does not start out insane. He is driven insane by Batman in the early 50s sometime. Mr Hootington fucked around with this message at 04:15 on Mar 8, 2020 |
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Mr Hootington posted:Joker quit killing people in the late 40s and I am up to about '64 across the Batman, Detective comics, and World's finest and he has not started to kill again. I am nearing close to 20 years without a Joker related murder. Wouldn’t that have to do a lot with the cca?
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bobkatt013 posted:Wouldn’t that have to do a lot with the cca? It's possible that DC started toning everything down ahead of the curve, I honestly don't know that much about their content from the period running up to the CCA being established, but in general comics were still chock full of mobsters and maniacs shooting guns everywhere up until 1954.
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Edge & Christian posted:The big push spearheaded by Wertham -- Seduction of the Innocent, the Kefauver Hearings, the Comics Code being established -- all happened in 1954, though admittedly Wertham had been stumping about a connection between comics and juvenile delinquency for like five years prior to that, and other people were doing it almost immediately after comics became a thing (though that was just a lot of rollover from pulp fiction and penny dreadfuls and etc. being brain rotting not-proper-literature too) Yes and in a lot of early Batman stories the mobsters die or were "given the chair". Penguin and Joker both killed people in their first few appearances, but unlike others they never died or were sentences to the chair. They either were "locked away for a long time" or appeared to die. In the late 40s they became gimmick villains. Interestingly you didn't see the emergence of gimmick villains beyond The Joker until the '62 to '64 because of letters pages blowing up with people saying they love Joker, catwoman, penguin, clayface, riddler, mirror master, polka dot man, signalman, and so on.
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OK, complain all you want about everything else everybody, but Lois Lane is SO GOOD.
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One more!
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I mean, seriously, whatever else you may or may not feel about the Bendis run at DC, the ancillary titles have just been ON FIRE. Thanks to Bendis, we also got Lois Lane, Jimmy Olsen, Wonder Twins, and Dial H for Hero, and they're all series that I've LOVED.
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Speak posted:I mean, seriously, whatever else you may or may not feel about the Bendis run at DC, the ancillary titles have just been ON FIRE. Thanks to Bendis, we also got Lois Lane, Jimmy Olsen, Wonder Twins, and Dial H for Hero, and they're all series that I've LOVED. They should 100 percent put Mark Russel on Justice League. All his DC work has been stellar, and if anyone can even come close to the tone Giffen/ DeMatteis run(the pinnacle of all team books) it is him.
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Do you think DC wants their flagship team book to be a comedy?
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I showed this to my partner who is a journalist. She appreciated it. 
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Rhyno posted:Do you think DC wants their flagship team book to be a comedy? No, but Justice League has also not generally been a good book either. There have been some bright spots, but it is almost always at the level where it is something you ready because a character or two you like is in it and not because it is particularly good itself. I want to see my favorite DC characters have interesting relationships with each other, not just be coworkers.
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Lord_Hambrose posted:They should 100 percent put Mark Russel on Justice League. All his DC work has been stellar, and if anyone can even come close to the tone Giffen/ DeMatteis run(the pinnacle of all team books) it is him. It would be better if a tentpole book like Justice League was readable. So I'll give a no vote on this one.
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JL3k was a fun-rear end book.
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FilthyImp posted:JL3k was a fun-rear end book. 
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X-O posted:It would be better if a tentpole book like Justice League was readable. So I'll give a no vote on this one. I didn't mind the idea of Hawkgirl and Martian Manhunter having a kid who was Important, but it didn't feel like they had a lot to do with each other after. Certainly they didn't have any chemistry as somebody here pointed out a while ago.
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Late, but Superman: Villains was solid, particularly the Lex double page.
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Mariko Tamaki is on Wonder Woman starting at 759
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Speak posted:I mean, seriously, whatever else you may or may not feel about the Bendis run at DC, the ancillary titles have just been ON FIRE. Thanks to Bendis, we also got Lois Lane, Jimmy Olsen, Wonder Twins, and Dial H for Hero, and they're all series that I've LOVED. Lois Lane is Greg Rucka and Autism Sneaks fucked around with this message at 07:08 on Mar 10, 2020 |
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Autism Sneaks posted:Lois Lane is Greg Rucka and Wonder Twins has nothing to do with the Superfriends despite what you'd thing. It's more about racial and social injustice and discrimination than any lampooning or even reference of the 60s JL.
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