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Endman posted:Great battle report! Holy crap, that looks great!
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How long does it actually take to repaint a real tank? Is having all your tanks the same colour useful enough (eg in terms of identifying friendlies) that you would bother to do so?
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Mar 3, 2020 09:40
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GotLag posted:How long does it actually take to repaint a real tank? It's not just a matter of time, but also available resources. But it was enough of a bother that there were dark grey german panzers in North Africa, and desert scheme yellow panzers on the Eastern front, due to formations receiving new orders and not having the time to repaint. And that was before the German war industry started to fall apart.
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Mar 3, 2020 10:01
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Fish and Chimps posted:Holy crap, that looks great! Thanks! These recent Battlefront kits almost paint themselves; it's mostly just a base colour, some drybrushing and then a wash. Very quick and easy, and the exaggerated details like the rivets do all the work.
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Mar 3, 2020 10:43
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Endman posted:Great battle report! It's a beaut either way. Speaking of tonk colors: if the late panzers were painted dunkelgelb, does that mean that every with grey panzers fighting in Normandy et al is wrong?
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Dunkelgelb started in early 1943. For a tank to be gray in Normandy would require it to be a old-rear end tank (unlikely) that got passed around for a year and a half with noone bothering to repaint it (unlikely). Impossible? No. Unlikely? Yes. Want to paint your Normandy tanks gray because panzergrau looks dope? Go for it, who cares.
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Geisladisk posted:Dunkelgelb started in early 1943. For a tank to be gray in Normandy would require it to be a old-rear end tank (unlikely) that got passed around for a year and a half with noone bothering to repaint it (unlikely). AFAIK there were also a few tanks later on in the war that were painted with left-over grey paint. But yeah, that'd be an exception, and once the wheels really started to come off the German war machine.
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Mar 3, 2020 13:28
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A lot of those started turning up later though, when the tank school units got thrown into combat with StuGs and Panzer IVs that invaded France due to poo poo like Market Garden.
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A universal human truth is that we're all lazy incompetents and would rather distill airplane fuel into vodka than contribute to actually fighting each other for god and nation, even via basic poo poo like "paint tank." Which is great for historicals because whatever colour you want to paint your mans there's probably someone, somewhere, that ended up looking like that, so you can go "no, ACTUALLY, this is the correct shade"
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GotLag posted:How long does it actually take to repaint a real tank? It isn't auto body work where you're getting paid to do a neat, smooth paint job. In Gulf War (I) we were told that our tanks were going to be repainted. We were given a couple of rolls of masking tape and we masked off vision blocks (windows), sights, and areas that had to stay bare like grease fittings. A truck with an air sprayer pulled up and, woosh, we sprayed the tank with paint. The whole process took maybe an hour, tops.
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Endman posted:Great battle report! I've always liked soviet green LL stuff on a purely stylistic front, so strong approve!
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Finished a Panzer IVH bar pigments, with another comparison between the new model and the one I painted 10 years ago.     
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Mar 5, 2020 13:01
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Beautiful wear on that new one.
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Mar 5, 2020 13:10
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That's a big improvement, good job on that panzer 
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I see you're going for the "Tremendous Bush" option for What a Tanker.
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Cessna posted:It isn't auto body work where you're getting paid to do a neat, smooth paint job. I remember reading that in WW2, when the German army adopted some camouflage standards for their tanks, how it was applied often boiled down to "give Private Fritz a bucket of green paint, a bucket of reddish-brown paint, a mop, and tell him to hop to it". 
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Sydney Bottocks posted:I remember reading that in WW2, when the German army adopted some camouflage standards for their tanks, how it was applied often boiled down to "give Private Fritz a bucket of green paint, a bucket of reddish-brown paint, a mop, and tell him to hop to it". This is a good system, as Fritz is more likely to know what the local conditions look like and be able to mimic them than someone in a distant headquarters.
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Fish and Chimps posted:Finished a Panzer IVH bar pigments, with another comparison between the new model and the one I painted 10 years ago. Nice! I love the weathering.
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Thanks! I needed to take a break from Nazi tanks so painted up 4 US infantry. 
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The BAR is such a cool looking gun, I love that thing.
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Endman posted:The BAR is such a cool looking gun, I love that thing. Yes, I really enjoyed painting it. I generally like US ww2 equipment, so I'm really excited about painting it.
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Hey, just curious, but are there any good resources on the different Italian and Russian uniforms, during WW2? Since as I've been playing Blood Red Skies and have always considered getting either Bolt Action or potentially Cruel Seas too (partly due to the potential future 'combined arms' crossover they mentioned at some point), and now a couple of friends have gotten into BA, which is an incentive for me to join in, too. So, I've chosen Russian as a candidate because my BRS air forces are Germany and Russia, so potentially being able to use my yaks etc. too would be an incentive. But I'm also very tempted to use the Italians too, since my friends are using the British and Romanians - so I could potentially just use Italians to go against whoever, seeing as they of course turned against the axis later on in the war. As a side-note though, I'm definitely going to be lazy and contrast paint the uniforms, so like, plain brown, etc. is very much a bonus, haha
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If you have a scribd.com account they have a billion Osprey book out there which gives useful color drawings of every conceivable uniform worn by fightin' men. You can also just google "Soviet uniform painting guide" or people here will probably gladly share theirs. Soviets are a super easy army to paint, especially if you get the Winter versions since they're all in greatcoats. edit: also the Stalingrad supplement is dropping next month so there will probably be a lot of interest in Soviet v. German matchups for a while until the next shiny thing distracts everyone.
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Pinterest is a surprisingly good source when painting historical minis. You can find tons and tons of good historical pinterest boards with uniforms for free.
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Just uh, don’t be shocked when Pinterest suggests some real weird poo poo after searching for anything WW2 related on there. “You searched for ‘ww2 tank turret markings’, we think you might also like this picture of SS dumping bodies into a mass grave!”
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Major Isoor posted:Hey, just curious, but are there any good resources on the different Italian and Russian uniforms, during WW2? Since as I've been playing Blood Red Skies and have always considered getting either Bolt Action or potentially Cruel Seas too (partly due to the potential future 'combined arms' crossover they mentioned at some point), and now a couple of friends have gotten into BA, which is an incentive for me to join in, too. Here's a guide to painting Soviets and numerous other WW2 nations with Contrast paints.
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Thanks, all! So at this stage, after discussing it with my BA-playing friends, I'm pretty sure I'll use the Italians at this stage, to make things easier for everyone. However, I'm not sure about what's generally a good unit composition for Bolt Action. Like, would it be good for me to have a bunch of infantry and sink some points into bringing in a medium tank (like the M14/40 or whatever it is, if that's an option) or perhaps a couple of tankettes? Since yeah, I'm not sure if there are any real 'dud picks' for Italy, so I'm worried that merely dabbling in armour will mean that I've wasted points - since they won't have the firepower to take out a tank-heavy opponent, and I would instead be better served by getting transports and/or field guns. (Since if so, I think I'll theme my force after the Alpini, seeing as from memory they primarily stuck with regular infantry and field guns) EDIT: The infantry I'm thinking of using are these and [url=https://www.perry-miniatures.com/product_info.php?cPath=23_74_76&products_id=2846&osCsid=35s6klti5ivs2sv7bdkficf4t3]these[url]. Probably a couple of each, so that I have two full platoons I can draw men from. (Also, it doesn't say, but I ASSUME they're plastic...since a tank they have specifies it's metal while these guys don't) Major Isoor fucked around with this message at 13:26 on Mar 10, 2020 |
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Major Isoor posted:...I ASSUME they're plastic... EDIT: But don't be afraid of metal minis. Perry are very good sculpts. Ilor fucked around with this message at 13:46 on Mar 10, 2020 |
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One thing to keep in mind before you pull the trigger is that Italians are considered the hardest nation to play as in Bolt Action because of their national rules. Because your morale goes up or down depending on if you’re winning it can be easy to get in a death spiral where you lose a unit, so your morale goes down, so you have trouble commanding your force, so you lose more units, your morale goes down, etc. They tried to fix this by giving alternate national rules in the Western Desert supplement but I think they only apply when using a NA Italian force
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Do it, get a stupid Italian tonk.
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"There's always a bigger fish" as the old proverb goes, but the inverse is true for Italian tankettes. There's always a smaller fish.  God I love their dumb little up-aromored go-karts
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lilljonas posted:Italian tankettes are tiny and cute. 1/56th scale italian tankettes/SPGs look line 15mm models
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PinheadSlim posted:"There's always a bigger fish" as the old proverb goes, but the inverse is true for Italian tankettes. There's always a smaller fish. How does that even work? Do you stop after driving half a mile to top op the gas tank? Is it an uparmoured vespa??
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Wowshawk posted:How does that even work? Do you stop after driving half a mile to top op the gas tank? Is it an uparmoured vespa?? In my heart of hearts I hope it's powered by two little bicycle pedals on the inside https://i.imgur.com/IUesnD5.mp4
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Wowshawk posted:How does that even work? Do you stop after driving half a mile to top op the gas tank? Is it an uparmoured vespa?? It's one of those post-WW1 ideas that didn't catch on. Basically "solving" the problem of machine guns and dead man's land by making moving shields with a heavy weapon attached. The idea was that you'd hunker behind the shield, safe from small arms fire, and then attack by crawling behind the slowly advancing protection, firing with a machinegun, sniper rifle, mortar or whatever the inventor decided to strap to it. https://peashooter85.tumblr.com/post/169941824212/the-ansaldo-miasmoras-35-an-italian-creation-by lilljonas fucked around with this message at 23:24 on Mar 10, 2020 |
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So like most interwar designs, a rube goldberg solution to a concrete problem I guess. Shame it didn't make it past the prototype phase. Imagine a field with a hundred of those little guys ambling along, bullets plinking off 
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Class Warcraft posted:One thing to keep in mind before you pull the trigger is that Italians are considered the hardest nation to play as in Bolt Action... Seems historically legit. Tankettes are rad and Autocannons are good. I dont know what Italy has but an autocannon shoots twice and is +1 penetration. This will allow you to put pin markers of any non-veteran tank. OTOH that's just my theory, I'm still a bit green at Bolt Action.
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lilljonas posted:It's one of those post-WW1 ideas that didn't catch on. Basically "solving" the problem of machine guns and dead man's land by making moving shields with a heavy weapon attached. Didn’t catch on outside of British tank design, you mean
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DiHK posted:Seems historically legit. Super unfun though, especially if you lose a unit right away and are basically crippled from turn 1. The national rules for the majors are all bonuses/things that your nation was good at. The minor nations, meanwhile, have a mix of positives and negatives that leave them less competitive (except Finland, whose national rules are pretty good) Armored cars and Light tanks are usually better for the cost in bolt action because of the way heavy armor is calculated. A lot of tankettes and interwar tanks suffer from negative special rules that make them unreliable however. I saw a guy obliterate his opponents at a tournament once using a swarm of Panzer I’s because they just couldn’t kill them fast enough.
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