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Who is your first pick in the deputy leadership race? This poll is closed. |
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my favourite part is reasoning for not doing school closures: knock-on effects like parents staying home. that's the entire point really. https://twitter.com/NAChristakis/status/1235204453315358722 also lol at a week off sick now being pushed by 4 of our CMOs when you'll be out for 2-3 weeks and infectious for a bit after you feel better
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WHO condones closing schools FWIW. Again as far as Czech Republic goes the whole issue of parents having to stay home with kids is in fact significant, the government has instituted a new benefit where people doing so against the wishes of their employer are paid 60% of their wage by the government and can't lose their job over it.  can you imagine Boris doing that, and again that's with fewer per capita cases than in the UK, albeit it's next to Italy, Austria and Germany TBF. And yes the growth of cases has slowed down significantly, who'd have thought.
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Mar 12, 2020 18:54
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ronya posted:there seems to be a sense ITT that nothing short of the army patrolling the streets to prevent people from leaving their buildings would be good enough.
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Mar 12, 2020 18:56
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Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:my favourite part is reasoning for not doing school closures: knock-on effects like parents staying home. that's the entire point really. Spanish flu actually killed kids- which is why closing schools was useful, parenting issues come after deaths. This coronavirus is wierd, in that it straight up doesn't- I'm not sure if there's any deaths under 10 even in China. Given the kids safety is assured, you're more concerned about knock on effects of doing so.
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Mar 12, 2020 18:59
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I mean yeah the kids won't die, but they can still get infected just as easily and go on to do the same thing to their parents.
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Mar 12, 2020 19:05
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Dunno who posted the UK COVID-19 visualisation earlier but here's a worldwide version that feels like something out of WarGames 
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Mar 12, 2020 19:06
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keep punching joe posted:We need a general strike. This is true every day of the year.
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Mar 12, 2020 19:09
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https://twitter.com/vhmichel/status/1238159424180674561?s=19
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Mar 12, 2020 19:09
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The government response to this seems to embody the kind of defeatism that seems to infect every other policy domain, where they’re behaving as if radical change is impossible and people and markets are fundamentally uncontrollable. It’s completely nuts in the circumstances but true to form.
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Mar 12, 2020 19:11
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Trades posted:The government response to this seems to embody the kind of defeatism that seems to infect every other policy domain, where they’re behaving as if radical change is impossible and people and markets are fundamentally uncontrollable. It’s completely nuts in the circumstances but true to form. Yes that's the point, they can scream SCIENCE all they like but their modelling and understanding of humanity and society is so utterly hosed up that they're obviously wrong. It's like pointing out that markets that set their own prices clear in the food market as an obvious good while ignoring all the starving people it creates.
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Mar 12, 2020 19:15
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sounds like you guys need to learn about GAME THEORY
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Mar 12, 2020 19:17
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*Boris Johnson turning a big dial taht says "Culliny" on it and constantly looking back at the economy for approval like a contestant on the price is right*
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Mar 12, 2020 19:18
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now that's a kirby
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Mar 12, 2020 19:19
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Even the American NHL and NBA have stopped all matches.
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Mar 12, 2020 19:19
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quote:Chris Whitty, the chief medical officer, said that worst-case scenario planning projected that 80% of the country would contract the virus, with a 1% mortality rate. This equates to more than 500,000 deaths. unless they're assuming there's a large proportion of unconfirmed cases where people who have it aren't getting tested due to lack of resources? tbh it sounds exactly like the scenario that they're actually aiming for, if they've totally given up on preventing it spreading to the majority of people and that sounds only marginally higher than the best mortality rate so far (0.7% or whatever) just loving do something you arseholes, we don't have to lie down and accept that this is beyond our power to even attempt to contain
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Mar 12, 2020 19:24
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namesake posted:Oh god they ARE trying the herd immunity strategy but not saying it aren't they? 100% With a side of 'we can't say it but it'll kill the old/weak/poor non-consumers'. There is no way Cummies hasn't factored in killing a load of undesirables as a bonus. Literally the worst Country on the entire planet. It's breathtaking. Regarde Aduck fucked around with this message at 19:28 on Mar 12, 2020 |
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Mar 12, 2020 19:26
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Regarde Aduck posted:100% New rule for Universal Credit claimaints, you have to lick the doorknob to get into the JobCentre+.
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Mar 12, 2020 19:29
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looks like it is actually loving Dominic dummies evopsych horseshit that's pushing thisJohnson posted:He said the most dangerous period was “some weeks away” and the intention with delay was to increase the ability of the emergency services and society more widely to cope. When enthusiasm for measures started to flag, people were less vigilant, he told reporters. would people getting slightly less vigilant be more of a problem than letting it spread uncontrolled for several weeks extra? would people be any less likely to lose vigilance if it proves necessary to impose these measures for months anyway when they finally get round to doing it? (e.g. because they let it get even more out of hand before doing anything) like I can see arguments about disruption, about childcare, about people simply not having the resources to shut themselves away for weeks but "people will get bored of hiding" seems baseless and irrelevant gently caress it, I've had enough of experts
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Mar 12, 2020 19:32
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https://twitter.com/richardhorton1/status/1238145139840778241 quoting the other tweets to save space: quote:On COVID-19, I do not wish to be alarmist. But read the Italian experience. There are critical lessons here that the UK government either isn’t aware of or is ignoring. Even the Italian government’s courageous actions are insufficient. https://twitter.com/richardhorton1/status/1238157609129181188
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Mar 12, 2020 19:33
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XMNN posted:looks like it is actually loving Dominic dummies evopsych horseshit that's pushing this The actual epidemiolgy expert the Beeb had on after was all "well that's behavioural science, so I'm not gonna comment" which I think is professor speak for "this is clearly nonsense"
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Mar 12, 2020 19:33
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"it's not the job of the government to keep people from dying" has been a liberal mantra since the empire
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happyhippy posted:Had a friend just ask the most stupidly obvious thing.  If the virus is inside you how are you going to spray it?
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Mar 12, 2020 19:39
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XMNN posted:is this a genuine worst case scenario? I thought the mortality rate was pushing 6% in Italy now the health service is hosed? 80% is on the high end for people who could be infected but within reason. The mortality rate for the population is not as simple as taking raw numbers, there are a lot of factors but the big one is the demographic pyramid.  CFR is massively dependent upon age and the CFR of people 80+ might be 15-18% like it was in Wuhan during the stages the hospitals were completely overwhelmed. Once you get down to 50 years its about 0.3%.
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Mar 12, 2020 19:39
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TACD posted:Dunno who posted the UK COVID-19 visualisation earlier but here's a worldwide version that feels like something out of WarGames Madagascar and Greenland remain uninfected, I see. If they close their ports it's pretty much game over. e: also if you want an idea of how seriously this is being taken elsewhere, Berlin has closed die Techno-Clubs. 
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Mar 12, 2020 19:58
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Saros posted:We're more like two weeks behind Italy! We're on what, 450 cases?  We're on February 26th to Italy's 1,000 dead.
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Mar 12, 2020 20:01
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loving frequentists are going to kill us all. The argument assumes they have a perfect model of how the infection will spread, and therefore can point to an optimum time to deploy countermeasures. It makes no account for the argument that ACTING NOW CHANGES THE MODEL. Aaaaaaaaaah
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Mar 12, 2020 20:07
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if things do go south here with the warning we've had and the countries that are already taking proactive measures manage to prevent the sort of mass death that we're just tacitly accepting, I think the most galling thing is that there will never be any justice if we're lucky there might be a toothless inquiry in 30 years that concludes that maybe it could have been avoided but everyone responsible is too old or dead to hold accountable
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Mar 12, 2020 20:08
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I dunno at this rate they might kill each other with infection. Could definitely be more bloody though, for preference.
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The people responsible for reducing the impact are telling us with a straight face that the impact cannot be reduced. Im finding it difficult to comprehend how insane this is. Explaining that people tend to spread the disease to those close to them rather than strangers at public events doesn't mean that events are safe, it means that events are rare.
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Every time i post new stuff I'm gonna post links to everything else I've already posted too Here';s the new thing, worth watching: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpALWJBQq2M And here's all the other poo poo. Feel free to recommend additions! Cases tracker for the UK Cases tracker for the world Comparison of covid-19 symptoms to cold and flu Chart showing country-to-country transmission Timeline of events in Hubei This is fine
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Mar 12, 2020 20:24
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Frightened at how much faith is being placed in the modelling. Speaking as someone who builds data models for a living, so much of it is a mixture of finger in the air guesswork, and snake oil. It's impossible to build an accurate model of a pandemic like this, the best you can say is shits bad and will get worse.
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I am curious how they're gonna try to spin corpses piling up. I'm sure they're going to try, I'm just not sure what excuse they're going to go with.
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Mar 12, 2020 20:26
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Probably the same one that they did with the austerity deaths: "no they're not." Whether they'll get called out this time idk (lol, the press won't). 
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I'm just curious given that it'd be odd if they stopped reporting cases/deaths because people are going to want to know that. Seems harder to hide when it's something they absolutely track. Also when everyone's banging on the hospital doors seeking treatment because everyone got it at once.
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dead gay comedy forums posted:tomorrow is a friday the 13th
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RockyB posted:We're on what, 450 cases? 590!
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/12/the-guardian-view-on-the-government-and-coronavirus-a-risky-path guardian is almost on team "Boris is a murderer" although obv decorum prevents them from saying its definitely bad, just maybe its bad
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Regarde Aduck posted:
I mean it’s pretty on-brand for us tbh. Back when we upset the US some time in the 2000s by not going along with one of their smaller terrible foreign policy ideas I remember one of their ghoulish Neocons saying sth like “The UK now isn’t run by gentlemen, it’s going back to its roots as a buccaneering, self-interested island that messes with everyone else.” Quite prescient, really (apart from the fiction that we were ever really gentlemanly).
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OwlFancier posted:I am curious how they're gonna try to spin corpses piling up. I'm sure they're going to try, I'm just not sure what excuse they're going to go with. They already did it with the press conference - biggest public health crisis in a generation - pandemic sweeping other countries and our own - people are gonna lose loved ones - we're following the science - we're doing everything right - we're going to time everything perfectly for the maximal outcome - not our fault
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I'm not sure that's quite equipped to deal with the reality, however. Saying "it won't be our fault" before it happens doesn't quite work so well, I think.
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