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Mymla
Aug 12, 2010

silvergoose posted:

Wizard's 34th Rule, wouldn't it be?

Wizard's 69th Rule

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gschmidl
Sep 3, 2011

watch with knife hands

Mymla posted:

Wizard's 69th Rule

It's a half 69, rounded down.

Mr Phillby
Apr 8, 2009

~TRAVIS~
Imagining that long bit about how Dick is automatically a genius Sculptor because he mastered the blade and thats basically the same thing when you really think about it, but instead of sculpting its loving

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth
A dick is basically a blade

the_steve
Nov 9, 2005

We're always hiring!

Who What Now posted:

A dick is basically a blade

Turns out it isn't that he's a Blademaster. It's that he's a master of anything remotely phallic, which all swords happen to be.
It's why he was able to rock Kahlan's world despite the fact that he was ostensibly a virgin at the time. Well that and true love.

Mr Phillby
Apr 8, 2009

~TRAVIS~
"Did you know Zedd, that Vagina is actually fantasy latin for 'sheath'?"

claw game handjob
Mar 27, 2007

pinch pinch scrape pinch
ow ow fuck it's caught
i'm bleeding
JESUS TURN IT OFF
WHY ARE YOU STILL SMILING
This is literally the joke I was trying to leave vague when I said I picked up the item and became a master of the blade edge, yes, thanks all

the_steve
Nov 9, 2005

We're always hiring!

END ME SCOOB posted:

This is literally the joke I was trying to leave vague when I said I picked up the item and became a master of the blade edge, yes, thanks all

Clearly, trying to leave it vague was irrational and evidence that you embrace Death over Life.

The Neal!
Sep 3, 2004

Putting aside that being good with a sword makes you good at sculpting/sexing, I still don't get how he became a master swordsman when he had a sword that cuts through all the other swords. It wasn't that he was so much better than everyone else, he had a lightsaber.

Or was working out that whole cut monologue really what turned him into Lan Mandragoran? Like, was he really the first person to discover that you should concentrate on cutting people when you're sword fighting?

the_steve
Nov 9, 2005

We're always hiring!

The Neal! posted:

Putting aside that being good with a sword makes you good at sculpting/sexing, I still don't get how he became a master swordsman when he had a sword that cuts through all the other swords. It wasn't that he was so much better than everyone else, he had a lightsaber.

Or was working out that whole cut monologue really what turned him into Lan Mandragoran? Like, was he really the first person to discover that you should concentrate on cutting people when you're sword fighting?

Over the centuries/millennia that the Sword has existed, every previous Seeker's skill and knowledge was imprinted onto the sword. So, by the time Richard got it and learned how to tap into it, he had literal lifetimes of swordsmanship knowledge and tactics and strategy at his disposal.

Think of it as the Soul Crystals from FFXIV, or how Mat had all of the Warfare Lore implanted into his head in WoT, except that Richard didn't have to do anything or make any sort of sacrifice to earn it because prophecy dictated that he receive it he values Life so much that it was only rational for him to know it.

Stravag
Jun 7, 2009

The Neal! posted:

Putting aside that being good with a sword makes you good at sculpting/sexing, I still don't get how he became a master swordsman when he had a sword that cuts through all the other swords. It wasn't that he was so much better than everyone else, he had a lightsaber.

Look man, some people are just a cut above the rest

oriongates
Mar 14, 2013

Validate Me!


END ME SCOOB posted:

The big thing about Balefire is that in a war of wizards, people were undoing people who undid other people and that was what caused so many consequences that both good and evil went "this is forbidden now". Chainfire (which, as someone pointed out earlier, is a real "oh gently caress you you never read WOT" name) just makes everyone think someone vanished but because this world is built on Logic it is the largest threat to existence ever.

Well, okay, part of that is that it targeted one of the most important individuals in history, but they still treat the concept of "nobody remembers a piss farmer" as the most dire threat to reality because it makes everyone illogical and thus crazed.

I forget, did they ever address why no-one had any idea at all who Khalen was, until he got to Zedd, who knew her...but knew her as someone dead? They even point out that the Mother Confessor is pretty much the most famous woman in the world, so surely they would remember the last Mother Confessor, even if she had died? Especially if she was the last Mother Confessor, given there was no mention (if I recall) of any new Mother Confessor? Why was there no confusion over the fact that Zedd remembers a dead woman, but everyone else remembers no-one at all?

Also...given that the spell seemed to mostly affect memories, not physical reality (Khalen was still alive, things she did still were done, the statue was still carved in her likeness, etc)...who's loving grave was that?

I mean, the likely answer is that Terry is a bad writer, but I'm curious if it was something I missed or not.

jsoh
Mar 24, 2007

O Muhammad, I seek your intercession with my Lord for the return of my eyesight
the badguy sisters who kidnapped her buried some corpse in her dress i think

The Neal!
Sep 3, 2004

the_steve posted:

Over the centuries/millennia that the Sword has existed, every previous Seeker's skill and knowledge was imprinted onto the sword. So, by the time Richard got it and learned how to tap into it, he had literal lifetimes of swordsmanship knowledge and tactics and strategy at his disposal.

Think of it as the Soul Crystals from FFXIV, or how Mat had all of the Warfare Lore implanted into his head in WoT, except that Richard didn't have to do anything or make any sort of sacrifice to earn it because prophecy dictated that he receive it he values Life so much that it was only rational for him to know it.

Oh that's right! I completely forgot about that part. I mean, I don't know why previous seekers would necessarily be good with a sword given the whole 'cut through anything' being the whole point of the weapon but sure, some of them could have been pretty good with a sword before they got the SoT. I can buy that.

I guess he also gets to keep the knowledge even though he doesn't have the sword anymore too? Since he didn't have it when he was sculpting (also maybe it was less being good with a swrord and more one of the previous seekers was a master sculptor and Dick just came up with a dumb theory that was totally wrong... that would make a lot more sense).

Probably be smart to pass the sword around his army a bit like it was a cheat code, turning every member of your extremely outnumbered force into a master swordsman doesn't seem like it'd be such a bad move.

the_steve
Nov 9, 2005

We're always hiring!

oriongates posted:

I forget, did they ever address why no-one had any idea at all who Khalen was, until he got to Zedd, who knew her...but knew her as someone dead? They even point out that the Mother Confessor is pretty much the most famous woman in the world, so surely they would remember the last Mother Confessor, even if she had died? Especially if she was the last Mother Confessor, given there was no mention (if I recall) of any new Mother Confessor? Why was there no confusion over the fact that Zedd remembers a dead woman, but everyone else remembers no-one at all?

Also...given that the spell seemed to mostly affect memories, not physical reality (Khalen was still alive, things she did still were done, the statue was still carved in her likeness, etc)...who's loving grave was that?

I mean, the likely answer is that Terry is a bad writer, but I'm curious if it was something I missed or not.

I think it's probably a title thing.

Cara and Nicci knew the Mother Confessor existed, but, since personal knowledge of her was erased, they didn't know her real name. They only knew of her as The Mother Confessor.

Zedd, due to his position as First Wizard, would have known her real name, even if he forgot the fact that she was his granddaughter-in-law.

The Neal! posted:

Oh that's right! I completely forgot about that part. I mean, I don't know why previous seekers would necessarily be good with a sword given the whole 'cut through anything' being the whole point of the weapon but sure, some of them could have been pretty good with a sword before they got the SoT. I can buy that.

I guess he also gets to keep the knowledge even though he doesn't have the sword anymore too? Since he didn't have it when he was sculpting (also maybe it was less being good with a swrord and more one of the previous seekers was a master sculptor and Dick just came up with a dumb theory that was totally wrong... that would make a lot more sense).

Probably be smart to pass the sword around his army a bit like it was a cheat code, turning every member of your extremely outnumbered force into a master swordsman doesn't seem like it'd be such a bad move.

Pretty sure that you had to be a duly appointed Seeker in order for the Sword to absorb your skills.
And only Richard was able to withdraw that information.
Remember, everything exists for his benefit.
There may have been other Seekers, but he is the TRUE Seeker, the one who prophecy speaks of. The fact that other Seekers held the sword was only because it needed to be prepared for him when the time came for him to inherit it.

the_steve fucked around with this message at 06:09 on Mar 13, 2020

The Neal!
Sep 3, 2004

oriongates posted:

I forget, did they ever address why no-one had any idea at all who Khalen was, until he got to Zedd, who knew her...but knew her as someone dead? They even point out that the Mother Confessor is pretty much the most famous woman in the world, so surely they would remember the last Mother Confessor, even if she had died? Especially if she was the last Mother Confessor, given there was no mention (if I recall) of any new Mother Confessor? Why was there no confusion over the fact that Zedd remembers a dead woman, but everyone else remembers no-one at all?

Also...given that the spell seemed to mostly affect memories, not physical reality (Khalen was still alive, things she did still were done, the statue was still carved in her likeness, etc)...who's loving grave was that?

I mean, the likely answer is that Terry is a bad writer, but I'm curious if it was something I missed or not.

The other people he asked were from D'Hara and the Old world so might not be across the Mother Confessor as much as Zedd was... even so it makes absolutely no sense that Zedd, under the influence of the spell, would know about a grave belonging to Kahleen (whether the sisters buried a fake body there or not) given the spells function was to make people forget her entirely and not make to people think that she died.

JcDent
May 13, 2013

Give me a rifle, one round, and point me at Berlin!

Comrade Blyatlov posted:

I always thought it was a play on chain lightning lol

*grumble* should have been wizard autocannons *grumble*

Runcible Cat
May 28, 2007

Ignoring this post

the_steve posted:

Pretty sure that you had to be a duly appointed Seeker in order for the Sword to absorb your skills.
And only Richard was able to withdraw that information.
Remember, everything exists for his benefit.
There may have been other Seekers, but he is the TRUE Seeker, the one who prophecy speaks of. The fact that other Seekers held the sword was only because it needed to be prepared for him when the time came for him to inherit it.

Hey, you, wave this sword around for a bit so it can absorb your skills and memories to pass onto some prophesied rando centuries from now. DOOOO IT.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

📈📊🍪😋



I feel like that one scene was Goodkind subconsciously channeling Marty McFly's mom

"Oh Marty, he's in the same place he's been for the last thirty years... Oak Park Cemetery."

I want to point that out to him because it would probably make him real mad

the_steve
Nov 9, 2005

We're always hiring!

Runcible Cat posted:

Hey, you, wave this sword around for a bit so it can absorb your skills and memories to pass onto some prophesied rando centuries from now. DOOOO IT.

I mean, yeah, that was pretty much it. The Sword was literally created because the First Seeker knew that 5000 years from him that it was going to be needed by the True Seeker in order to save the world, and everything between those two points was preparation for Richard.

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth
Other Seekers must have actually done some cool poo poo with it though. Id actually be interested in reading a book about a Seeker 3500 years before Richard and not written by a Libertarian dipshit.

Cavelcade
Dec 9, 2015

I'm actually a boy!



Who What Now posted:

Other Seekers must have actually done some cool poo poo with it though. Id actually be interested in reading a book about a Seeker 3500 years before Richard and not written by a Libertarian dipshit.

If you think any of the seekers weren't Libertarian assholes I've got some bad news for you.

gschmidl
Sep 3, 2011

watch with knife hands

Cavelcade posted:

If you think any of the seekers weren't Libertarian assholes I've got some bad news for you.

John Galt was the first Seeker.

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth

Cavelcade posted:

If you think any of the seekers weren't Libertarian assholes I've got some bad news for you.

There were lots of "unworthy" Seekers. At least one of them had to be a socialist who used the sword to behead the rich.

the_steve
Nov 9, 2005

We're always hiring!

Who What Now posted:

There were lots of "unworthy" Seekers. At least one of them had to be a socialist who used the sword to behead the rich.

And lots of times where the person with the Sword wasn't ever a Seeker at all. Samuel, for example. He was never a Seeker, he just murdered the guy who was Seeker before Richard and stole the Sword.

gschmidl
Sep 3, 2011

watch with knife hands

the_steve posted:

And lots of times where the person with the Sword wasn't ever a Seeker at all. Samuel, for example. He was never a Seeker, he just murdered the guy who was Seeker before Richard and stole the Sword.

Add LotR to the books Goodkind never read and definitely didn't rip off Gollum.

claw game handjob
Mar 27, 2007

pinch pinch scrape pinch
ow ow fuck it's caught
i'm bleeding
JESUS TURN IT OFF
WHY ARE YOU STILL SMILING
Update: the loud fan of the series is now angrily insisting that Terry Goodkind is too rational to catch a pandemic, despite an entire book about how plague doesn't discriminate and causes massive collateral damage.

I wish this was a joke.

gschmidl
Sep 3, 2011

watch with knife hands

In this chapter, Richard scoffs at peasants hoarding toilet paper.

PJOmega
May 5, 2009

gschmidl posted:

In this chapter, Richard scoffs at peasants hoarding toilet paper.

Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his asscrack?

Torrannor
Apr 27, 2013

---FAGNER---
TEAM-MATE

the_steve posted:

I mean, yeah, that was pretty much it. The Sword was literally created because the First Seeker knew that 5000 years from him that it was going to be needed by the True Seeker in order to save the world, and everything between those two points was preparation for Richard.

That's not quite true, as we will see in Confessor. And First Confessor, if Scoob does the prequels.

gschmidl
Sep 3, 2011

watch with knife hands

Torrannor posted:

That's not quite true, as we will see in Confessor. And First Confessor, if Scoob does the prequels.

Spoiler: the First Confessor is dumber than a bag of wet salt.

GreenMetalSun
Oct 12, 2012

gschmidl posted:

Spoiler: the First Confessor is dumber than a bag of wet salt.

While attempting to spoil this for myself I found this little gem on wikipedia:

quote:

After outing a fan who distributed illegal versions of the novel on his Facebook page, Goodkind encouraged his fans to attack the pirate in other forums to discourage other vandalism. According to The Guardian, the harassed fan was forced to go underground due to the mob mentality.

claw game handjob
Mar 27, 2007

pinch pinch scrape pinch
ow ow fuck it's caught
i'm bleeding
JESUS TURN IT OFF
WHY ARE YOU STILL SMILING

END ME SCOOB posted:

Update: the loud fan of the series is now angrily insisting that Terry Goodkind is too rational to catch a pandemic, despite an entire book about how plague doesn't discriminate and causes massive collateral damage.

I wish this was a joke.

Final update: the loud fan of the series was fired abruptly this week along with 99% of my day job. There are over 800 layoffs that we know of and we're unsure if entire divisions exist anymore, including our legal team.

I am one of the 6 people remaining in a division that was cut in half and merged with two others who has to pick up the slack of 800+ people right now.

I haven't had time to read much between this and a pandemic. Apologies, but I'm not jetting out again. I'm so close I can taste it.

Comrade Blyatlov
Aug 4, 2007


should have picked four fingers





He wasn't fired, he went Galt

PJOmega
May 5, 2009

END ME SCOOB posted:

I haven't had time to read much between this and a pandemic. Apologies, but I'm not jetting out again. I'm so close I can taste it.

Take care of you first, we'll be here when you've got your feet under you.

Stravag
Jun 7, 2009

Dude this is a chaotic time. I wouldn't suggest you inflict this series on yourself if things are hectic

silvergoose
Mar 18, 2006

IT IS SAID THE TEARS OF THE BWEENIX CAN HEAL ALL WOUNDS




Stravag posted:

Dude this is a chaotic time. I wouldn't suggest you inflict this series on yourself if things are hectic

Unless it provides a needed dose of "not this hell world, a different one" of course.

JcDent
May 13, 2013

Give me a rifle, one round, and point me at Berlin!

silvergoose posted:

Unless it provides a needed dose of "not this hell world, a different one" of course.

We can always hope for a Corona Sword of Truth book.

Stravag
Jun 7, 2009

You just know that somehow a good hot dicking by king dick would be the cure

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gschmidl
Sep 3, 2011

watch with knife hands

JcDent posted:

We can always hope for a Corona Sword of Truth book.

"Those who would tell you about social distancing are the enemies of truth," Richard said. "They are filled with fear, and fear is the antithesis of logic. No-one who is fearful can achieve moral clarity, and only those with full moral clarity will be immune to the Covid."

He gripped the sword tighter as he saw the blank stares of the others. The words "SUPERBLUE TOOTHPASTE", woven into the hilt, pressed into his palm.

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