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I don't think I've looked at the skills page for more than 3 seconds in my whole time in Tarkov...and amazingly...I still have a blast. Does that ELITE skill make you run faster than 800m/s? lol
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NJersey posted:I don't think I've looked at the skills page for more than 3 seconds in my whole time in Tarkov...and amazingly...I still have a blast. Yeah it kind of does. I may actually actively cheese my str now because these changes are cancer.
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LGD posted:a looter shooter I don't really see this as a looter shooter. That'd be Borderlands or some other garbage like that. I like this update. The headbob is pretty ridiculous but the weight changes are *good*. Maybe the numbers will need tweaked over time until they find the sweet spot, but the concept is A+ solid in my book.
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New str/end system is kinda dumb and they are shitbags for not just punishing cheaters and instead resetting everyone. I do like that it punishes fat greasy gearlords and helps the poor though. Interchange lighting changes are nice, "pull a lever before you can put the key in the kiba door" is dumb. Would have been nice if they actually added ichange raiders. Nikita govnovich is still the best game developer of a generation hands down
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Pussy Snorkel posted:I don't really see this as a looter shooter. That'd be Borderlands or some other garbage like that. they're tuning the weight limits and headbob
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Mar 13, 2020 05:19
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Buff Hardback posted:they're tuning the weight limits and headbob Yeah, that's what I mean. The numbers need work but the idea behind it is solid. We shouldn't be able to easily extract with a half dozen rifles and multiple sets of armor and helmets stuffed into our poo poo.
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Mar 13, 2020 05:27
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ye not playing this game till the weight system stops punishing the people that actually play the game another buff to hatchetmen, as if it was required lmao
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1001 Arabian dicks posted:ye not playing this game till the weight system stops punishing the people that actually play the game I mean...surely it was only detrimental to you for all of five minutes before you were back at max level, right?  Also, has the Lv15 flea market access restriction been put in-place yet? Since I'm only just shy of Lv10... 
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Major Isoor posted:I mean...surely it was only detrimental to you for all of five minutes before you were back at max level, right? looks like it's down to level 10 already, so you should be good to go
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Buff Hardback posted:looks like it's down to level 10 already, so you should be good to go Oh, thank god for that! I think I can manage pulling off one raid, before being able to go back to the loving embrace of the flea market
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1001 Arabian dicks posted:ye not playing this game till the weight system stops punishing the people that actually play the game so nikita fixed the game looks like
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hakimashou posted:Nikita govnovich is still the best game developer of a generator hands down
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The weight changes feel kind of half assed but I think they wouldn’t feel nearly as bad if they simply removed strength gain from melee, removed strength gains from skill exhaustion, and allowed you to gain points in strength while you’re at less then fully encumbered. Even if they didn’t remove skill exhaustion there’s no reason I should have to exploit, spam grenades nonstop, or walk slower than I do with two blacked out legs to level strength. And for anyone wondering how 1001ad is at max endurance: there’s a place on reserve where you can have someone open a door while you’re offline and you’ll fall through the map. There’s probably more, I personally know of another one under white queen as well but the whole thing just seems stupid and I wish I wasn’t forced to do it. I’m avoiding it for now but if these changes aren’t reverted soon or strength isn’t given a realistic method to level it I don’t see how anyone running high tier gear sets has a choice to not simply cheese it. HORSEPORN fucked around with this message at 12:00 on Mar 13, 2020 |
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Mar 13, 2020 11:54
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HORSEPORN posted:There’s probably more, I personally know of another one under white queen as well but the whole thing just seems stupid and I wish I wasn’t forced to do it So ah... Any chance you could share that info?
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Mar 13, 2020 13:01
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How can I chad if I can’t carry 250 pounds of gear at full sprint?
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Mar 13, 2020 13:21
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Cup Runneth Over posted:If you really want to invest, you should fill the docs case with SAS drives. More weight per slot. Filled 2 docs cases with these before the patch hit. Cost me 1.6mil, 40k per drive plus the docs cases. Then, post-patch, they shot up to 135k per drive. So I sold them all and made 3 million roubles.
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Cup Runneth Over posted:Filled 2 docs cases with these before the patch hit. Cost me 1.6mil, 40k per drive plus the docs cases. 40k per drive? Dang. I think I bought ~hundreds~ of them around 20-25k to vendor to peacekeeper...
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Mar 13, 2020 16:07
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I played a handful of raids last night and the weight changes seem fine. I had one where I got out with a big rear end bag full of loot and it wasn’t that bad. After reading this thread and the subreddit I assumed it was going to be impossible to play lmao.
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Mar 13, 2020 16:55
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Hixson posted:I played a handful of raids last night and the weight changes seem fine. I had one where I got out with a big rear end bag full of loot and it wasn’t that bad. It pretty much is impossible to play if you plan on looting things or people.
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Mar 13, 2020 16:58
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Ah I see. I guess the people I killed and the loot I took from them wasn’t real after all
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HORSEPORN posted:It pretty much is impossible to play if you plan on looting things or people. I'm not even playing right now but I'm gonna take a guess that your issue is that there is a point between filling literally every item slot you can and leaving a raid with a hatchet that you are not exploring. Which granted, for a loot based game is probably not the ideal scenario but Tarkov's obsession with realism had to catch up with itself somewhere.
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Mar 13, 2020 17:47
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So if I wanted to cheese my STR/END, where would I go? I want to know so I can stay away from the glitch area, and be sure to warn my friends so no one accidentally levels skills to elite.
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Mar 13, 2020 19:09
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Hixson posted:Ah I see. I guess the people I killed and the loot I took from them wasn’t real after all The game is literally ruined because you can’t carry an entire A+B rig full of loot with a pilgrim on your back full of Russian doll backpacks and rigs also full of loot and folded weapons. Unplayable. Unreal.
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Orv posted:I'm not even playing right now but I'm gonna take a guess that your issue is that there is a point between filling literally every item slot you can and leaving a raid with a hatchet that you are not exploring. Actually, the problem is that a standard high end loadout rapidly approaches 35kg. This leaves any backpack bigger than an attack 2 as nearly worthless because you need to cut weight somewhere in order to maintain functionality. I’m also going to pretend you have at least four grenades, a salewa on your rig, and let’s say 3 60 round mags for your m4. Congratulations, you are now officially at 37-40kg and are receiving a movement penalty. This would be fine, but that movement penalty doesn’t cause you to gain ANY points towards your strength stat, you know, the thing that should level up naturally and allow you to carry progressively more and more things. So with a 40kg loadout you’re limited to 15-20kg of loot as anything over 58kg will incur massive penalties. Despite this, you still won’t gain ANY points in strength until you’re walking (more like shambling) with 63kg on your back. This patch did nothing to alleviate the actual problem: strength as a stat. Strength will still exist and players are going to continue to exploit it since they don’t get banned for it. Also, in a live game you would eventually gain levels just by throwing grenades to eventually reach at least lvl 10 strength which would alleviate loot issues. As it is right now if I go in with a full loadout I can basically loot two helmets and some ammo from any team I kill. I still get to strip down weapons so that’s not a big deal because there’s not a lot of weight there. But I can’t grab propane tanks, blue fuel, vases etc. The issue is that strength needs to be reworked. The sprint speed bonus should be removed or toned down and strength should gain .1 point/km at yellow weight, .2/km at orange weight, etc. each level in strength should increase carry weight by .5kg with elite level granting an extra 5kg (instead of a floating backpack) for a whopping total of 100kg carried before you hobble. Being limited to lower amounts of loot is fine, vacuuming up entire maps into an icase is dumb as gently caress and needed to be toned down. In the meantime though, strength gain needs to be adjusted to match the gear curve. This whole thing where you think a lot of us are running around looting everything we see pretty much tells me you haven’t played this game with any sort of high end loadout. This is even worse now that you can wear two t6 armors at the same time. Doing that actually makes you unable to loot anything which is kind of pointless. HORSEPORN fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Mar 13, 2020 |
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Oh, well then we're basically on the same page. The skill system is bad at best and while I do think it'd be cool to not just run into nothing but level 5 armor juggernauts for the rest of time approximately a month after a patch they definitely boned the values on the encumbrance system here. Granted they have already proved willing to tweak it quickly so one hopes. Ha ha ha.HORSEPORN posted:This whole thing where you think a lot of us are running around looting everything we see pretty much tells me you haven’t played this game with any sort of high end loadout. This is even worse now that you can wear two t6 armors at the same time. Doing that actually makes you unable to loot anything which is kind of pointless. Well, that's not true but go on.
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HORSEPORN posted:Actually, the problem is that a standard high end loadout rapidly approaches 35kg. This leaves any backpack bigger than an attack 2 as nearly worthless because you need to cut weight somewhere in order to maintain functionality. I’m also going to pretend you have at least four grenades, a salewa on your rig, and let’s say 3 60 round mags for your m4. Congratulations, you are now officially at 37-40kg and are receiving a movement penalty. Awesome. This is the best patch yet and I’m not being sarcastic.
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Orv posted:Oh, well then we're basically on the same page. The skill system is bad at best and while I do think it'd be cool to not just run into nothing but level 5 armor juggernauts for the rest of time approximately a month after a patch they definitely boned the values on the encumbrance system here. Granted they have already proved willing to tweak it quickly so one hopes. Ha ha ha. Sure, I’ll go on. If loadouts are going to get heavier as they go up in value (disregarding killa armor and ghzel) then strength should gain at a natural curve that allows someone with an airframe/zhuk at 30-40 strength to carry as much loot as a naked person with a backpack and a mosin at lvl1 strength. This isn’t complicated and bringing gear shouldn’t be something players only do when they’re looking for profitless pvp. If the point of the weight change was to nerf high end loadouts then armor and helmets should be adjusted to be more effective overall but weigh more to prevent you from looting anything. That clearly wasn’t the intent of the change though so strength gain should just be streamlined and sprint movement speed should be removed from it. I would actually go as far as to remove diminishing returns from strength gain and also remove gaining strength from melee hits. I can’t stress enough, I don’t think the weight change went far enough. With max strength you’re now looking at max weights of like 120kg or so which is absurd to begin with even if we ignore that it only counts backpack weight. A lot of people talking about how great this is clearly don’t seem to understand that people with extra roubles and time or people who are willing to exploit are going to be carrying even more poo poo than they did before (ignoring stuff like filling icases in raid.) The weight system itself is fine, skills like strength and endurance just need to be adjusted or removed and if they’re removed entirely then max weight before you’re unable to walk should actually be around 70-80kg instead of the current value of 63kg. HORSEPORN fucked around with this message at 19:45 on Mar 13, 2020 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9esGDenJBQ max your skills before it gets patched boys
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NJersey posted:Awesome. This is the best patch yet and I’m not being sarcastic. Honestly along with our resident lagswitch king deciding not to play any more this patch owns so much. Gotta make choices when I loot  can't just hoover up all accessories from a five man after unleashing a 240 round m995 buzzsaw
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TTerrible posted:Honestly along with our resident lagswitch king deciding not to play any more this patch owns so much. Except, as the post above you shows, you can still hover up all the loot you want. More than before without incurring a penalty actually!
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HORSEPORN posted:Except, as the post above you shows, you can still hover up all the loot you want. More than before without incurring a penalty actually! Everyone wins!!
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HORSEPORN posted:Actually, the problem is that a standard high end loadout rapidly approaches 35kg. This leaves any backpack bigger than an attack 2 as nearly worthless because you need to cut weight somewhere in order to maintain functionality. I’m also going to pretend you have at least four grenades, a salewa on your rig, and let’s say 3 60 round mags for your m4. Congratulations, you are now officially at 37-40kg and are receiving a movement penalty. This would be fine, but that movement penalty doesn’t cause you to gain ANY points towards your strength stat, you know, the thing that should level up naturally and allow you to carry progressively more and more things. 1v1 me
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Hixson posted:1v1 me I will unironically do this in csgo or tarkov for 100 real dollars per win.
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Mar 13, 2020 20:56
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HORSEPORN posted:I will unironically do this in csgo or tarkov for 100 real dollars per win. What if my loots too heavy and you can’t get out. Who wins in this scenario?
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Hixson posted:What if my loots too heavy and you can’t get out. Who wins in this scenario? I wouldn’t worry too much about it because I would hopefully gain levels towards the stat that allows me to progressively carry more and more things while also running twice as fast for some loving reason. I’m really not your target here. I like the weight changes, as I’ve expressed. I just think strength needs to be gainable without either spamming grenades or handicapping yourself by weight 63kg so you walk at 1/4 speed. This isn’t complicated and I’m not whining about not being able to fit three raid backpacks filled with ammo and gun mods. I just think strength should actually gain levels during normal gameplay like... every other soft skill?
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HORSEPORN posted:I will unironically do this in csgo or tarkov for 100 real dollars per win. Goddamn lmao
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TTerrible posted:Goddamn lmao Gambling is fun! So is saying dumb poo poo on the internet. I also used to play cal-I cs back when I was a kid so even if the person I was quoting was being serious instead of making a shitpost I think I’d be fine. I won’t gently caress with a quake player though those dudes are a different breed.
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Q2DM1 rails only
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HORSEPORN posted:I won’t gently caress with a quake player though those dudes are a different breed. [resheathes katana] so you have chosen life
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Stux posted:[resheathes katana] so you have chosen life Daikatana*
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