AndyElusive posted:

I'm not loving complaining about motherfucking cussing I just don't like swears in every loving episode of my motherfucking Star Trek.

Also,

Cojawfee posted:

Well pucker up your rear end in a top hat, poo poo dick. It's about to get real loving mature up in this bitch. You've never seen Picard say poo poo like this before.

Drone posted:

God I want Picard to say "double dumb-rear end on you" so loving badly.

Thom12255 posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AFo8HFgLt8&t=183s

The Bloop posted:

Do you Believe in Hell?

Snow Cone Capone posted:

The wife and I both lol'd hard at this reaction

Brawnfire posted:

I'm pretty sure this is the same face I make when people ask if I believe in ghosts or read horoscopes.

thrawn527 posted:

Keeping in mind that I've never watched Andromeda...what the gently caress is happening in this clip?

Brawnfire posted:

It's a part of the historical record now, like if Nelson had said "cocks aplenty" at Trafalgar or something.

Cojawfee posted:

Well pucker up your rear end in a top hat, poo poo dick. It's about to get real loving mature up in this bitch. You've never seen Picard say poo poo like this before.

Lizard Combatant posted:

You'd better look out, Picard is gonna say gently caress!

The Bloop posted:

istewart posted:

Real talk, how many people have attempted or committed suicide on this show, on and off-screen? I’m starting to feel like even Picard’s speechifying has a hard time overcoming such morbidity.

Snow Cone Capone posted:

-Narek
-Because he was told if he didn't than Starfleet was going to destroy his ship and everyone aboard. For all he knew they had an instant long-range self-destruct button. It was so traumatic he immediately killed himself. What did you expect him to do?

Arglebargle III posted:

So is Soji the pusher robot or the shover robot?

Lizard Combatant posted:

You'd better look out, Picard is gonna say gently caress!

The Bloop posted:

Giggs posted:

I'm pretty sure (I have not gone back to check the show, but Memory Alpha seems to suggest I'm right) that Narek isn't Zhat Vash. He's an agent for his sister. He works for her, he's not one of the Zhat Vash. Same with all the presumed super soldiers who can't shoot stationary targets. They just work for them, in the same way that guy with the iPad who opened the Cube isn't Zhat Vash, he's just a Romulan guy. Also Oh very specifically referred to the first Zhat Vash as "our foremothers", to specify that they were women. If they were all women to start with millenia ago, and they're all still women now, that suggests to me that they're exclusively women.

There are too many issues with the Vandermeer thing:
- According to Rios, he had to have known they were synths, because obviously it would be insane to become a murderer on a first contact attempt because one person on Earth threatened murdering thousands of their colleagues and compatriots. Though, apparently Vandermeer doesn't think murdering synthetic life is the same as murdering ...unsynthetic life. Like nothing anyone in the history of humanity ever conceived in regards to this ever mattered, let alone the things that happened in universe.
- Even military dictatorships in this universe never stooped to such hilariously insanely over the top villainy. Why the hell would Vandermeer have even the slightest inkling that the Federation, beacon of hope and unity in the universe, would openly threaten to commit and follow up on mass murder not only not against an enemy, but innocent serving members of their own loving military if the captain doesn't become a mindless killer.
- Rios blames himself for Vandermeer's suicide, because he says how hard he went at him after he, you know, became a murderer for no reason.
- What did I expect him to do? Not become a murderer, probably. Lie about doing a murder? Tell the people he's tasked with murdering that some rando across space wants him to murder them, do they know why? Be a person? This is the sort of dumb poo poo that writers do with Star Wars that make the universe feel tiny, because any opportunity they have to connect the main characters to a world of people around them, they instead shrug it off and use dumb events and names as plot points and intentionally sever the possibility that other people in the world have thoughts, impact or agency too.

FlamingLiberal posted:

I thought Narissa said that ‘the Borg assimilated the wrong ship’ and it implied that it was not intentional on the part of the Zhat Vash.

mllaneza posted:

'The wrong ship' is the one that was carrying the person who would shut the cube down if she was assimilated.

Cojawfee posted:

My sister makes fun of my other sister for believing in god but then says she believes in ghosts.

Snow Cone Capone posted:

You might be right about the Zhat Vash thing, but considering the Big Secret is ZV-only, Narek seems to know a lot about what/why the ZV is doing what they do.

As far as the Vandermeer thing:
When did Rios say Vandermeer had to have known they were synths? Unless Oh specifically told him that, their whole point is that they're indistinguishable from organics. And if Vandermeer didn't have a problem killing synths, I don't think Rios giving him poo poo about it would have been enough to make him eat a phaser. It seemed to me Rios' shocked reaction to Soji wasn't "this synth looks just like the last synth I met," it was "this synth looks just like the woman my captain murdered in cold blood." I don't think he made the "emissaries were synths" connection until that point. Not to mention that if Rios knew the emissaries were synths, he probably would have spoken up at some point in the last several episodes. "Hey it's weird that everyone seems to want to kill this synth, my career actually ended because my captain killed a synth. I wonder if there's a connection?" The second he sees Soji and starts to connect the dots, his immediate reaction is "gently caress this, I'm out."

Finally, while I too would have liked to hear about a Starfleet captain upholding the Starfleet ideals and refusing to murder innocents in cold blood during First Contact, the fact of the matter is we got very few details about how everything went down, and I still maintain that if I was being held essentially at nuke-point with the lives of a few thousand of my loyal crew at stake, potentially hinging on a split-second decision, I dunno how heroic I could be. Again, obviously the decision weighed so loving heavily on him that he did it, and, once satisfied his crew was safe, immediately took his own life.

istewart posted:

I felt like the moment with Seven in this episode was about to be the most metal thing that happened so far, exactly the sort of stakes-raising that I really wanted to see.

Delsaber posted:

The idea of some ancient race 200-300,000 years ago straight up moving eight stars and a planet together as a warning for future cultures is some wild poo poo that kinda feels like something I'd find stumbling around with a science ship in Stellaris.

The ability to do something like that has been mentioned at least once, the Tkon were capable of moving stars, according to The Last Outpost but I'm not sure if the timeframe lines up.

Giggs posted:

I can't remember what Narek has said about stuff, but I don't remember him actually saying anything about the vision or its consequences. Also given that love conquered his subterfuge and need to murder, it makes me believe he doesn't know *the thing*, given that the "knowledge" is shown to be more like programming that's uncontrollable and more akin to reconditioning/brainwashing.

~52 minutes in
Picard: Did he know they were synthetic?
Rios: I have to believe he did. He must have thought that because of that, he'd be able to live with it.

You're right that Rios didn't know they were synths back then, which is why he might have been even more upset at Vandermeer and go so hard at him for being a murderer. That being said, it obviously shouldn't matter at all whether they were bio synths that are literally indistinguishable from non synths. Still just straight-up murder.
I just think it's crazy for this show to attempt to rationalize "I was just following orders" given that there's no reasonable expectation the threat could even be actionable let alone meaningful or sincere. In his position, assuming it was for some reason a split-second decision, I'm pretty sure every living person who doesn't have a huge desire for murdering innocents would respond to the request with "Uh.. what... what? What? Uhh.. I don't know.. Uhh.. Jesus christ this is insane, this cannot possibly be real..." not "Okay I'll do a murder but I won't like it!"

AndyElusive posted:

I really didn't have an issue with the swearing before, like, at all. But man, I'd love to go a couple of episodes of Picard without someone yelling "gently caress" just for the hell of it.

I guess that's modern television dialog now though.

Autism Sneaks posted:

as fun as Raffi and the holos was it was breathtakingly lazy that Rios's tragic backstory tied directly into Picard's mission. I know it's far from the only plot contrivance the show makes but it's by far the most offensive

SpeakSlow posted:

May we interest you in a bottle of Bloodshot Vino Diesel '20?

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Connie, a female who is also in her early 30’s. She’s African-American and has a quick temper, but is also quick to forgive. In addition to dealing with the loss of her husband, she is also avoiding a death sentence on her home planet. She’s a mercenary pilot who uses her ship to transport people to and from an artifact of some kind, though the ship is massively overqualified for that job.

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Alana is a female in her mid-40s to mid-50s and is of any ethnicity. She’s a brilliant analyst and has a great memory despite abusing drugs and alcohol. Often times she gets irritated with her own vulnerability and is certain of herself, even when she’s wrong. A former intelligence officer, she sees conspiracies everywhere. Her professional and personal losses weigh heavily on her.

Giggs posted:

- Why are the Zhat Vash exclusive to women? Feels a lot like someone decided it wasn't special enough and like an inexperienced DM, aka a bad writer, chose a dumb thing. I couldn't help but laugh at the sudden stupid suicide-fest.