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Who is your first pick in the deputy leadership race? This poll is closed. |
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| R. Allin-Khan |
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6 | 1.60% |
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80 | 21.33% |
| D. Butler |
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72 | 19.20% |
| A. Rayner |
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| I. Murray |
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5 | 1.33% |
| P. Flaps |
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177 | 47.20% |
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https://youtu.be/wZ9J-dxEgY4 Can we just pin this to the OP please
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clear eyes full farts posted:Guidelines are no ventilators for patients over 55, when it gets really bad that will drop to 40, grim source?
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Mar 14, 2020 12:48
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1238775733054472192 Just running the CFRs from South Korea, Italy and China through our population by age with 60% infection generates a death toll of between 400,000 and 800,000 (heavily slanted to the over 60s). That's super crude calculation where every age gets infected the same amount but the government are actually going to have to do massive intervention to protect the elderly or we're absolutely going to sky rocket over 100,000.
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Mar 14, 2020 12:49
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clear eyes full farts posted:Guidelines are no ventilators for patients over 55, when it gets really bad that will drop to 40, grim Where are you hearing that?
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Mar 14, 2020 12:51
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Saros posted:80+% is the usually accepted number for vaccination work but everyone seems to have settled on 60% for COVID-19 and I have to admit I'm not totally sure why. 70% is the optimistic end based on Covid's r0 of 3 something (though changing as data comes in), but i'm not sure how that calculation is derived.
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Mar 14, 2020 12:51
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If the government is really going to kill off huge swathes of the elderly population and the elderly are happy about it then I just don't know what to think. Dying from a virus to spite millenials and their avocados I guess.
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Mar 14, 2020 12:51
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ThomasPaine posted:Oh my loving god how long am I going to have to stay in this flat its not very funny, but i have to say its a bit funny seeing people go "wait its resistant to heat?" "wait acquired immunity isnt certain?" "wait there's already multiple strains?" as all these things shoot holes in our "risky" italy speedrun 10% mortality run, no items, no beds
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Mar 14, 2020 12:53
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:If the government is really going to kill off huge swathes of the elderly population and the elderly are happy about it then I just don't know what to think. Dying from a virus to spite millenials and their avocados I guess. Imagine going your entire life being wrong about everything but somehow surviving by blind luck right up until it kills you.
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Mar 14, 2020 12:58
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:If the government is really going to kill off huge swathes of the elderly population and the elderly are happy about it then I just don't know what to think. Dying from a virus to spite millenials and their avocados I guess. just feel bad for the elderly people that don't lust for their own death, I suppose
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Mar 14, 2020 12:58
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I now want a version of Prison Architect where it's Hospital Architect and it's in the middle of an epidemic. Ever increasing numbers of patients arriving and you have to install beds in corridors, supply closets, or out on the goddamn pavement
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Mar 14, 2020 12:59
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looking forward to the articles about how selfish millennials are trying to avoid catching the coronavirus and ruining the herd immunity plan for the old people 
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Mar 14, 2020 12:59
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Communist Thoughts posted:its not very funny, but i have to say its a bit funny seeing people go Resistant to heat is overstating things. It's not like this is prion levels of stability, here. Acquired immunity is almost certainly a thing; experts are saying that the positive results of previously infected people are likely a result of errors in testing and not an actual second infection. The "multiple strains" thing is overblown; while you'll get genetic drift over time, it's not like we have ten different strains that would each require a separate vaccine; it simply does not mutate that quickly. Note: i'm not suggesting that there is no cause for concern, here, just that there isn't a lot of cause for concern over these specific things. The strain on the health system is obviously the biggest issue.
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Mar 14, 2020 13:03
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:If the government is really going to kill off huge swathes of the elderly population and the elderly are happy about it then I just don't know what to think. Dying from a virus to spite millenials and their avocados I guess. OwlFancier posted:Interesting though that it continues to correlate pretty well with "people who use the internet and thus experience the world outside of the television" Traditional Press are all falling in line behind the Government's plan to let 60% of the population get infected and all the talking heads are laughing and guffawing at the idea that the government could be wrong or choosing a sociopathic option. So the people who rely on traditional media are falling in line. Once the reality hits and that the elderly home owners are included in the 60% and it's not just getting everyone under 65 sick and protecting them they'll soon change their tune/never change their tune because the Media told them not to.
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Mar 14, 2020 13:05
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Who's going to buy the Express in 6 months' time? They'll have to take the final print run and use it to kindle the fires in the trenches full of their former readership
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Mar 14, 2020 13:08
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Does anyone have any official source for the government's current modelling on percentage of non-hospitalised / hospitalised / critical cases? The only reporting I can find says they assume 81% mild (few symptoms), 15% flu-like symptoms, 4% hospitalised, and I can't tell where they're sourced from
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Mar 14, 2020 13:10
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:I now want a version of Prison Architect where it's Hospital Architect and it's in the middle of an epidemic. Ever increasing numbers of patients arriving and you have to install beds in corridors, supply closets, or out on the goddamn pavement I'd quite like to play a deadly serious hospital management sim like this tbh Theme Hospital was great but just not miserable enough for me CGI Stardust posted:Does anyone have any official source for the government's current modelling on percentage of non-hospitalised / hospitalised / critical cases? I'm guessing they're just guesstimating based on the percentages in China/Italy/Elsewhere
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Mar 14, 2020 13:13
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ThomasPaine posted:I'd quite like to play a deadly serious hospital management sim like this tbh Mortality rate in Italy is something like 6% though.
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Mar 14, 2020 13:16
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mediaphage posted:Resistant to heat is overstating things. It's not like this is prion levels of stability, here. Acquired immunity is almost certainly a thing; experts are saying that the positive results of previously infected people are likely a result of errors in testing and not an actual second infection. The "multiple strains" thing is overblown; while you'll get genetic drift over time, it's not like we have ten different strains that would each require a separate vaccine; it simply does not mutate that quickly. yes definitely agree the collapsing NHS is the main threat not the virus itself. it is a resilient little poo poo though compared to its peers and while the mutations so far hopefully dont require new immunity it doesn't really bode too well for the herd immunity problem if we're already seeing potentially siginificant differences in infectivity between strains, as is theorised to be the case i always liked studying virus stuff so i hope it doesn't kill my family cause otherwise its an interesting little fucker
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Mar 14, 2020 13:16
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Because Italy is finding out that people have it when they turn up at the hospital. South Korea is probably the best model for how the infection actually exists in the population because they're doing the most aggressive testing.
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Mar 14, 2020 13:17
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ThomasPaine posted:I'm guessing they're just guesstimating based on the percentages in China/Italy/Elsewhere So, uh, I very much hope they have some different source and haven't hosed the modelling (ed: or it's being reported badly. that would also be better!) CGI Stardust fucked around with this message at 13:19 on Mar 14, 2020 |
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Mar 14, 2020 13:17
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a pipe smoking dog posted:Mortality rate in Italy is something like 6% though. 7.1% now but thats only cause their healthcare system collapsed NHS strang (they have 2x our ICU beds per capita and its in the richest region of italy lol)
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Mar 14, 2020 13:19
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What the gently caress are viruses anyway, when you think about it I get bacteria. They make sense. Viruses though? Weird.
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Mar 14, 2020 13:20
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okay so things in reality are bad but have you considered this vital piece of important good news, that last night i had a nice dream where I met Boris Johnson at a party and got to call him a loving rear end in a top hat, so that's nice. I assume Morpheus, King Of Dreams, Prince Of Stories has a guy whose full-time job it is to be Boris Johnson and have everyone yell at him. seems like a good gigOwlFancier posted:What kind of polling is it when you systematically kill off everyone who voted one way until you achieve the result you want? on the one hand, the disabled will be affected, so that's key labour demographics right there, but on the other hand it'll do a number on the olds so really they're being very bipartisan and centrist in their disregard for human life. very decorous
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Mar 14, 2020 13:20
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ThomasPaine posted:I'd quite like to play a deadly serious hospital management sim like this tbh Two point is the happy clappy spiritual successor to Theme Hospital. If you want the grim and gritty everyone dies simulator, that'd be https://store.steampowered.com/app/868360/Project_Hospital/ Wonder how long before someone makes a plague ward mod for it. E: OwlFancier posted:Because Italy is finding out that people have it when they turn up at the hospital. Yeah, over here we have a clear and defined plan of ... only testing people after they've been admitted to hospital. poo poo. RockyB fucked around with this message at 13:23 on Mar 14, 2020 |
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Mar 14, 2020 13:20
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ThomasPaine posted:What the gently caress are viruses anyway, when you think about it happy little zombies that wanna make babies with you
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Mar 14, 2020 13:20
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ThomasPaine posted:What the gently caress are viruses anyway, when you think about it A miserable little pile of secrets.
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Mar 14, 2020 13:20
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ThomasPaine posted:I'd quite like to play a deadly serious hospital management sim like this tbh Look into Project Hospital, might be what you're after. It's super-realistic (as any such management sim can be, anyway) and has some really neat ideas. Not overwhelmed by the graphics to be honest, but it is genuinely pretty impressive a game. Super steep learning curve though. I spent 2 hours on it last year before realising I'm going to need to have a whole chunk of time to spend on it.
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Mar 14, 2020 13:21
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"Water, fire, air and dirt. loving viruses, how do they work? And I don't wanna talk to a scientist. Y'all motherfuckers lying, and getting me pissed." - Dominic Cummings
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Mar 14, 2020 13:23
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Communist Thoughts posted:happy little zombies that wanna make babies with you but they're not even really alive!! or are they?? nobody knows! JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Look into Project Hospital, might be what you're after. Ah cool, I guess right now we do all have a big surplus of time!
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Mar 14, 2020 13:23
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Communist Thoughts posted:yes definitely agree the collapsing NHS is the main threat not the virus itself. We aren't already seeing potentially significant differences, though. People are misreading our ability to very precisely read genetic changes these days and interpreting that to mean we're seeing wild mutations. 80% of this thing is identical to SARS; these just don't mutate as quickly or as efficiently as flu. Again, that's not to say it can't happen, just that it's not happening as quickly as people are writing about.
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Mar 14, 2020 13:24
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Isomermaid posted:Where are you hearing that? A frontline healthcare worker
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Mar 14, 2020 13:24
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Someone in the COVID-19 thread described viruses as 'predatory chemistry', which seems about right.
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Mar 14, 2020 13:25
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Editor of the Lancet has started tweeting again. https://twitter.com/richardhorton1/status/1238799404540272640?s=21 https://twitter.com/richardhorton1/status/1238801172212957184?s=21 https://twitter.com/richardhorton1/status/1238802410405011457?s=21
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Mar 14, 2020 13:27
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UKMT March 2020 - The govt has underestimated the public’s capacity to understand and act.ThomasPaine posted:What the gently caress are viruses anyway, when you think about it Darth Walrus posted:Someone in the COVID-19 thread described viruses as 'predatory chemistry', which seems about right.
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Mar 14, 2020 13:31
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It's two months away but Meltdown May is going to be even more dramatic that last years.
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Mar 14, 2020 13:33
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mediaphage posted:We aren't already seeing potentially significant differences, though. People are misreading our ability to very precisely read genetic changes these days and interpreting that to mean we're seeing wild mutations. 80% of this thing is identical to SARS; these just don't mutate as quickly or as efficiently as flu. Again, that's not to say it can't happen, just that it's not happening as quickly as people are writing about. https://academic.oup.com/nsr/advance-article/doi/10.1093/nsr/nwaa036/5775463 quote:. Although we found only 4% variability in genomic nucleotides between SARS-CoV-2 and a bat SARS-related coronavirus (SARSr-CoV; RaTG13), the difference at neutral sites was 17%, suggesting the divergence between the two viruses is much larger than previously estimated. Our results suggest that the development of new variations in functional sites in the receptor-binding domain (RBD) of the spike seen in SARS-CoV-2 and viruses from pangolin SARSr-CoVs are likely caused by mutations and natural selection besides recombination. Not really arguing here, just there does seem to be evidence of divergence. presumably a vaccine or secondary immunity would still resist both. there was also some more recent stories about a mutation in the spikes in the italian covid but i dunno if that refers to the same L strain or whatever
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Mar 14, 2020 13:33
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Has anyone posted this yet ITT? I've seen a lot of "show your working" posts, but it looks like they've attempted to do that here: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-action-plan/coronavirus-action-plan-a-guide-to-what-you-can-expect-across-the-uk Including setting out the various responsibilities and which agencies are doing what. I haven't read any of it, but there are a lot of links to papers at the bottom in this section, including to what look like recent Chinese studies.
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Mar 14, 2020 13:35
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Darth Walrus posted:Someone in the COVID-19 thread described viruses as 'predatory chemistry', which seems about right. thats a nice way of putting it but imo they're basically alive, its like species where we just make up an arbitrary delineation between things that doesnt exist in nature for the purpose of categorisation then argue with ourselves about it as if its a fundamental law
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Mar 14, 2020 13:36
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Prince John posted:Has anyone posted this yet ITT? I've seen a lot of "show your working" posts, but it looks like they've attempted to do that here: That's the older general plan which seemed like it was much closer to other countries approaches, it's not the herd immunity strategy that they've moved onto. The moving parts will be the same but it's not a justification for why they're doing what they're doing now.
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namesake posted:That's the older general plan which seemed like it was much closer to other countries approaches, it's not the herd immunity strategy that they've moved onto. The moving parts will be the same but it's not a justification for why they're doing what they're doing now. Ah, thanks for the clarification!
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