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Mar 11, 2020 19:55
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The Right Honourable Hulk has a nice ring to it.
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Mar 11, 2020 22:21
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How Wonderful! posted:Immortal Hulk was incredible. I love McGowan so much. Bennet is a wizard. There is no one else on earth who could do the art for this story. That spread, jesus.
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Mar 12, 2020 00:42
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What's amazing about Immortal Hulk to me is that they're still pulling that archetypal stuff Herb Trimpe did in his seminal Hulk run in the 70's. That run was massively influential and Immortal Hulk is like its final form.
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Mar 12, 2020 01:12
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It is incredible it has stated so good for so long. This is definitely my favorite Hulk run ever, and it isn't even close. Definitely a consequence of being a surprise hit that gathered enough momentum that editorial couldn't muck about with it. Xemnu has been an inspired choice for villain.
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Mar 12, 2020 01:48
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I'm never going to be able to hear "Sesame Street" songs in quite the same way. "Television in your head."
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Add another one on the pile for "holy poo poo Immortal Hulk is a good book".
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It's absolutely nuts how good Immortal Hulk has been for so long, and continues to be this issue. Elsewhere I got caught up on Thor and ... meh. I still like his change in visual design but I imagine it's not long for this world as Aaron doesn't seem to be using it anywhere. Speaking of Aaron, I am continuing to enjoy his Avengers run but McGuinness' art is the opposite of exciting for me. Plus his choice of big bad for the book has given me a ton of confusing questions rather than making me go "Oh my God, it's him!"
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Nilbop posted:Speaking of Aaron, I am continuing to enjoy his Avengers run but McGuinness' art is the opposite of exciting for me. Same here, I like it a lot from a writing standpoint, but the art has been so inconsistent and lackluster that it brings the run overall down a lot. McGuinness is fine at splash pages and the like, but there's something oddly cramped and awkward about his style.
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I stopped reading Iron Man when Slott (?) took it over and I stopped reading Avengers when I realized it was my least looking-forward-to book. But I did just read Rescue 2020 because it's Rescue and why not. Anyone want to enlighten me on this "Tony Stark is dead and the Stark you thought you knew was an AI" thing? Since when? Since the time he came back all hairless in I wanna say Ironheart? Or from even before that? Quite liked Rescue BTW.
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Mar 14, 2020 21:59
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been a long time since i kept up on it, but iirc slott decided that carol really did murder tony at the end of civil war 2 and the tony appearing in books today is made up from a new cloned body??? combined with a digitally backed up version of tony's mind, thus he is in slotts mind not a real boy, as it were
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Mar 14, 2020 22:15
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site posted:been a long time since i kept up on it, but iirc slott decided that carol really did murder tony at the end of civil war 2 and the tony appearing in books today is made up from a new cloned body??? combined with a digitally backed up version of tony's mind, thus he is in slotts mind not a real boy, as it were I mean, when you put it that way it sounds like what the mutants are doing now.
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Mar 14, 2020 22:31
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Also they basically did that to Tony during Matt Fraction's run so people would forgive him for Civil War 1. It was the same body, not a clone, but he caused himself brain death and rebooted from a back-up.
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Mar 14, 2020 22:56
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The people saying AI Tony "isn't real" are very much the bad guys of the book
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Blockhouse posted:The people saying AI Tony "isn't real" are very much the bad guys of the book Yeah, this. I have liked Iron Man 2020 way more than I expected. Tony Stark being tossed in a magic box at the end of Civil War 2 was one of the weakest parts of that story.
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Depending on how much credit you want to give Slott, the question of "is a backup copy of someone's mind in a backup copy of their body still the same person?" is actually an interesting one and examining it could be an interesting story. I just don't think he's doing as good a job telling this interesting story as he thinks he is, because he's being roughly as subtle as a ballpeen hammer.
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Honestly Iron Man 2020 kind of shines a spotlight on the same problems that I have with people trying to draw direct metaphors to the whole Mutant Nation thing in the current X-Men line, or most 'Superhero Universe X == Real World Y" issues. The whole AI/robot revolt subplot through all of Slott's Iron Man tries to combine internet jokes about the real world with the Marvel Universe. So he's busy referencing the use of 'robots' on assembly lines, in Boston Dynamics stress tests, amusement parks, crash simulations, etc. etc. taking place in a world where fully realized and actualized minds have inhabited non-organic bodies since at least World War II, and probably for centuries earlier even if it wasn't public knowledge. So in a world where Jim Hammond has been a public hero, a decorated NYPD officer, a war hero, a high ranking SHIELD official, etc. etc. etc. if you're using fully sentient self-aware AIs who feel love and pain and fear and empathy to test if bombs work or seatbelts prevent decapitation against their will, you are a psychotic sadist who is fully aware you're torturing and conducting cruel experiments on your equals, and Slott's run basically seems to suggest automakers/Boston Dynamics/every single major corporation and nationstate in the Marvel Universe are in fact modern day Mengeles, but also the robot revolution is kind of dumb and silly and a punchline and will not fundamentally alter the face of the Marvel Universe's planet. It's similar to the argument put forth than because the US Government has had multiple official and/or off-books programs dedicated to building genocidal Sentinels, that any non-mutant superhero who has worked with or shared intelligence with the US Government is essentially a Nazi collaborator. That's kind of true, but the fact that the US Government has at least twice been infiltrated/overthrown by a Secret Empire and installed a fascist dictator as president in the past 10-15 years, has been infiltrated by extraterrestrial shape-shifters repeatedly, had the president turned into a murderous snake monster, appointed a psychopath who tried to start a war against Gods as our top military leader, and on three separate occasions had Hitler's literal right hand man sneak his way into a cabinet-level position in the executive branch, and all of this has happened since 9/11 thanks to Marvel's sliding timeline...the idea that the Marvel Universe's conception of the federal government is even remotely like our world's is just silly. There have been probably three dozen things orders of magnitude worse than 9/11 that have happened in the past decade to New York City alone, much less your random "all of Paris is turned into stone statues" or "a stadium full of people in Chicago are vaporized in a false flag terrorist attack to justify declaring war on an immortal city of Gods", so I'm not even sure if having society really makes sense for the Marvel Universe, much less trying to map it to our own.
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Edge & Christian posted:"all of Paris is turned into stone statues" I had forgotten about this. Wow, Fear Itself had some dreadful tie ins. I think I remember them having everyone get better from being turned to stone, but it was definitely just a throwaway thing some writer randomly inserted.
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Edge & Christian posted:Honestly Iron Man 2020 kind of shines a spotlight on the same problems that I have with people trying to draw direct metaphors to the whole Mutant Nation thing in the current X-Men line, or most 'Superhero Universe X == Real World Y" issues. That's my problem with it too. Like, I know "this won't effect Marvel's Earth because it has to vaguely mirror our own" is a common complaint to make against any even slightly big status shift in Marvel, but this whole AI uprising thing is so dumb. Especially the level to which Slott seems to be using "AI". Like it seems like he's writing less an AI uprising and more an "any machine that uses electricity" uprising. Like apparently there's roombas and Chuck E Cheese robots rising up and it's like gently caress off Dan, this is beyond stupid and I feel like it's almost vaguely insulting to literally any actual oppressed group fighting for equal rights. Lord_Hambrose posted:I had forgotten about this. Wow, Fear Itself had some dreadful tie ins. Yeah, Odin apparently fixes it at the end of the event according to Wikipedia. TwoPair fucked around with this message at 06:38 on Mar 15, 2020 |
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Mar 15, 2020 06:36
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I seem to remember hearing Fear Itself was originally supposed to be a much smaller Thor/Captain America crossover that got massively expanded after Matt Fraction's original pitch. Is there any truth to that? If so I kinda wonder what his original idea would have looked like.
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Skwirl posted:I seem to remember hearing Fear Itself was originally supposed to be a much smaller Thor/Captain America crossover that got massively expanded after Matt Fraction's original pitch. Is there any truth to that? If so I kinda wonder what his original idea would have looked like. That's quite often what happens to smaller story arcs. An editor says "What if we did this but BIGGER" and it goes crazy. See also: Flashpoint.
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Mar 15, 2020 11:48
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That also happened to Rick Remender's Axis event which would originally have simply been an arc in Uncanny Avengers.
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Mar 15, 2020 12:18
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Judging by many of the Marvel events from the last 15 years I would wager most of them were originally conceived of as self contained arcs. And then there's ones that the writer clearly planned to be huge and they never left the confines of the one book.
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Mar 15, 2020 12:20
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Venom The End explored all that much better :b
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Mar 15, 2020 12:21
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The tie ins are usually pretty telling for this. I have a pretty firm never read tie ins rule for events unless it is clearly the book the event sprang from (that you are reading anyway) or it looks delightful (most tie ins to War of the Realms). There can be great tie ins sometimes, like the Giant Men one for WotR or the surprisingly good Ulysses one for Civil War 2. War of the Realms was strongly helped because they didn't have to pretend any of them were meaningful, and could just have fun having Spiderman talk to a horse.
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I much prefer the events that are put together and don't really involve existing books. Annihilation is probably my favorite Marvel event of the last 15-20 years. Everything that followed up til the end of the Thanos Imperative was excellent and can be read as one enormous space saga.
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Mar 15, 2020 12:51
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Definitely. Annihilation was so much better than Civil War. I think the biggest problem is that they are quarterly now, so any excitement they used to generate was boiled away. If Marvel could just let what are currently events just be stories in normal titles and save having a bespoke miniseries with tie in minis for something actually big once every year or two they would be more impactful. Absolute Carnage has no business being more than an arc in Venom.
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Mar 15, 2020 12:57
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Lord_Hambrose posted:Definitely. Annihilation was so much better than Civil War. I think the biggest problem is that they are quarterly now, so any excitement they used to generate was boiled away. If Marvel could just let what are currently events just be stories in normal titles and save having a bespoke miniseries with tie in minis for something actually big once every year or two they would be more impactful. DC did the small events for a year or 2 with the latest relaunch and most of those stories were good, but alas the money machine didnt make enough "brrrrrrrr" noises.
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It's almost like conditioning readers to think events are "more important" than regular stories for 30 years means they'll be less likely to buy non-event books.
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Rhyno posted:I much prefer the events that are put together and don't really involve existing books. Annihilation is probably my favorite Marvel event of the last 15-20 years. Everything that followed up til the end of the Thanos Imperative was excellent and can be read as one enormous space saga. I loved Thanos Imperative, and Annihilatiors after. It felt like a really good Farscape arc with Marvel Cosmic and just a really good mechanic on an alternate universe getting really hosed up and Satanic and Eldritch.
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It did! Nova really did have the John Crichton energy all through the entire saga. I never made that connection until now! Haha, Ronan is Dargo and Rocket is Rygell. GROOT IS ZHAAN
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Annihilation is so much better than Civil War. It's made even more clear in Nova when he returns to Earth and finds out that the Avengers were so busy fighting each other that they had no idea how close the universe came to ending, or that Nova had saved it.
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El Tortuga posted:Annihilation is so much better than Civil War. It's made even more clear in Nova when he returns to Earth and finds out that the Avengers were so busy fighting each other that they had no idea how close the universe came to ending, or that Nova had saved it. I like the What If where they can't stop the Annihilation Wave so Nova beats it to Earth to get the Avenger's help, finds out Civil War is happening and gets really pissed at them. Nova, Iron Man and Captain America sacrifice themselves to stop the Annihilation Wave on the moon in one last stand and are able to save Earth
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El Tortuga posted:Annihilation is so much better than Civil War. It's made even more clear in Nova when he returns to Earth and finds out that the Avengers were so busy fighting each other that they had no idea how close the universe came to ending, or that Nova had saved it. It's my second-favorite reaction to Civil War after Thor wrecking Iron Man. "I pulled him inside out and saved the universe. What have you done lately, Tony?" TwoPair fucked around with this message at 06:55 on Mar 16, 2020 |
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Mar 16, 2020 06:43
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Skwirl posted:I like the What If where they can't stop the Annihilation Wave so Nova beats it to Earth to get the Avenger's help, finds out Civil War is happening and gets really pissed at them. This was my favorite Uatu moment. Usually his deal is, "I can't interfere, but you guys are all going to die otherwise, so I guess I can make an exception." He did that in the What If, but his big plan involved accidentally destroying the moon itself, which was shown to be heartbreaking to him. By that point, Annihilus was taken care of, but Earth was left in a horrible state. The final scene of Nova, Iron Man and Cap's sacrifice was Uatu interfering yet again in order to show those moments to every single person on Earth purely for the sake of inspiration and the belief that any world that could create guys like that would turn out all right.
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Skwirl posted:I seem to remember hearing Fear Itself was originally supposed to be a much smaller Thor/Captain America crossover that got massively expanded after Matt Fraction's original pitch. Is there any truth to that? If so I kinda wonder what his original idea would have looked like. yeah, I can't be bothered to find the quote but I definitely recall reading that it began as a Thor/Captain America miniseries to tie in with the two 2011 Marvel Studios releases. Brubaker was supposed to co-write it too, but he ended up just doing prologue and epilogue one-shots.
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https://twitter.com/arthurstacy/status/1239728177322352640
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Drew "Eye-Boy" Scanlon
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Diamond is letting shops sell this week's books a day early, so if you want to grab them tonight go ahead. Seems like an odd thing to announce so late in the day, but it is a nice thing in this difficult time.
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