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Maybe he wants them to make huge iron lungs?
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Shut up Meg posted:To quote Jeremy Clarkson 'How hard can it be?' plastic and metal with some electronic parts? pretty easy actually edit: technically anyway. logistically and politically are different matters VectorSigma fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Mar 15, 2020 |
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I'd believe UK manufacturing capacity is still largely unspecialized workbench based cells that they could flip a switch on output with the right procedures and schematics. There's a few examples of people saying "gently caress that I can do that in my garage" and they can in fact and mostly went out of business because you just can't not do volume manufacturing on the isles because of raw input cost which I take to understand the large scale British producers are actually just large garages. All that remains is who you need to bribe to make sure the posh hospitals get the ventilators made Tue-Thur and the rest get the defects from Mon and Fri.
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Mar 15, 2020 20:34
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You wouldn't have a single factory building the whole thing, obviously. In that sort of wartime production model you turn over factories to build parts that are relatively similar to what they already built. In WW2, for instance, furniture makers switched over to building wooden aircraft frames and car manufacturers started building aero engines, but the pieces were still put together at the airplane factory. In this case you might have a plastic injection molding firm switching from plastic toys to making hoses and mouthpieces, while a manufacturer of plumbing fixtures produces the gas fittings, and an electronics fab builds the circuit boards, etc. and then everything is assembled into ventilators at a central location. So now you just need to go to all the manufacturers of plastic toys and plumbing fittings and circuit boards in the UK, and
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Mar 15, 2020 20:39
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Sagebrush posted:So now you just need to go to all the manufacturers of plastic toys and plumbing fittings and circuit boards in the UK, and which doesn't work even if you find all the mythical plastic plants in the UK, because consumer and medical plastics production are two completely different ball games.
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Mar 15, 2020 20:41
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Shut up Meg posted:A Unipart oil filter: Boom, I got it. Hook up a tube to each side of the jet engine. One to get positive pressure, and one to get negative pressure, then valve those two tubes into one tube via a spinning disc and some check valves, so that the single tube is either sucking or blowing. There's your new ventilator. In fact, one engine should have enough power to do a full hospital's worth of ventilation. Put some in-line oil filters on there to reduce the taste of jet fuel and exhaust, and to block infectious spray. A quick trip to the hardware store and you've got yourself a high speed ventilator for 400 people!
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Mar 15, 2020 20:42
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MRC48B posted:which doesn't work even if you find all the mythical plastic plants in the UK, because consumer and medical plastics production are two completely different ball games. yes in a normal situation. not really in the case where there's a national state of emergency and you're temporarily seizing private industry for the good of the nation. having to suck on a toy-grade ABS mouthpiece for a week is better than dying of respiratory failure
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Mar 15, 2020 20:44
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Sagebrush posted:yes in a normal situation. Nobody who thought this one up has talked to anyone in any engineering firm, there's no supplies left of the components we can't make in the UK because China exports are way down. So good luck. We can probably make miles of non-sterile tubes.
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Mar 15, 2020 20:46
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I'd be a lot more happy to go to work if we were to to reverse engineering some parts for the machinists to spit out hundreds of. Or if CAT was told to do that and they came to us to turn around some machining fixtures on the quick.
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Mar 15, 2020 20:47
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The only way this could get more hilarious is if there's a single German factory that could have done it.
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Mar 15, 2020 20:48
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If you waive regulations due to the crisis, it's possible to ramp up production of a lot of medical supplies and equipment. It would still take weeks to make and qualify tooling, reorganize supply lines etc, as well as intensive manual labor and a lot of money. Not saying it's a great idea, but it is possible and worth looking into as much as any other option.
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Mar 15, 2020 20:52
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You've all given more though tot this than any member of the UK government. A factory is a factory. They make things?? Just make the things we need?
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Mar 15, 2020 20:54
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yeah just like in videogames.
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Mar 15, 2020 21:01
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TTerrible posted:You've all given more though tot this than any member of the UK government. A factory is a factory. They make things?? Just make the things we need? You just right click the factory, and change the recipe! You may need to lay different yellow belts of raw materials, but if you have iron and copper nearby you're golden!
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Mar 15, 2020 21:03
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLiXwMQW_VQ
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Mar 15, 2020 21:03
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Nth Doctor posted:You just right click the factory, and change the recipe! You may need to lay different yellow belts of raw materials, but if you have iron and copper nearby you're golden! The UK is tired of experts.
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Mar 15, 2020 21:04
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OctaMurk posted:If you waive regulations due to the crisis, it's possible to ramp up production of a lot of medical supplies and equipment. It would still take weeks to make and qualify tooling, reorganize supply lines etc, as well as intensive manual labor and a lot of money. Yeah biomedical equipment regulations are about as strict as it gets for product design and production. And if you waive them you're going to kill a whole bunch of people who would not "just have died anyway"
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We joke, but 'videogame or worker-placement boardgame' seems to be the total understanding and experience that most politions have of anything involving manual labor. Except for the ones that maintain a hobby-farm with a few pet horses. For them it's all "work is fun, how could anyone _get paid_ to do this and still complain?!"
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Mar 15, 2020 21:20
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I can't make any ventilators, I'm all out of vespene gas.
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Mar 15, 2020 21:24
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Ugly In The Morning posted:I worked at a modular home company that didnt give sick leave (or allow hard hats, since they “were a union symbol”) and they had one guy come in while he was sick. ekuNNN posted:is just random people getting flu shots an american thing? I think they only give them to elderly people here evil_bunnY fucked around with this message at 22:18 on Mar 15, 2020 |
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Mar 15, 2020 22:16
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chitoryu12 posted:In my experience, the people who constantly get "stomach flu" or "food poisoning" are conveniently always getting it at the exact same time, usually the day after a weekend or holiday. Often the time you have a bit of different food or try the cafe in funny looking shack by the sea is on holiday or weekend. So it will be first day back it will hit you.
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Mar 15, 2020 22:24
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Varkk posted:Often the time you have a bit of different food or try the cafe in funny looking shack by the sea is on holiday or weekend. So it will be first day back it will hit you. Do I just have an iron stomach? I’m always trying different restaurants or cooking, and I travel a ton for work and pleasure, and I’ve never gotten food poisoning, let alone every single Sunday.
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Mar 15, 2020 22:27
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All this talk of ventilator manufacturing is really misplaced because according to prelim data coming out of china p much every needing ventilation ended up croaking.
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Mar 15, 2020 22:33
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chitoryu12 posted:Do I just have an iron stomach? I’m always trying different restaurants or cooking, and I travel a ton for work and pleasure, and I’ve never gotten food poisoning, let alone every single Sunday. I'd say pretty much the same thing. I can think of exactly one occasion where I am certain I got food poisoning, and that was a restaurant at the coast where I decided to try a fried oyster poboy (I usually avoid oysters) and a few hours later my intestines liquefied. It was memorable, and I had never experienced symptoms like that before and haven't since.
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Mar 15, 2020 22:38
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Hexyflexy posted:Nobody who thought this one up has talked to anyone in any engineering firm,
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MRC48B posted:which doesn't work even if you find all the mythical plastic plants in the UK, because consumer and medical plastics production are two completely different ball games. Games Workshop are a world leader in plastics, and get hired to do auto industry prototyping on the side. No idea if they can do medical though. I suspect they'd fall down on issues of hygiene. The real 'OSHA' here is that the government should have been doing this at least a month ago. China bought us time with a truly herculean effort, and the government here are only now starting to talk about courses of action in terms that sound a lot like panic.
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Mar 15, 2020 23:12
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:Games Workshop are a world leader in plastics, and get hired to do auto industry prototyping on the side. No idea if they can do medical though. I suspect they'd fall down on issues of hygiene. China didn't really buy anyone time since they let it spread unchecked for over a month before locking down. What they did though is to give an example of what needs to be done if you did leave this disease to spread through your population unchecked for a month. This is a lesson which has been taken aboard by the UK govahahahahahahhaa...
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One of the measures China took was family separation. That has Western governments salivating, till they learn it has to be done to the ethnic majority. Most infections happen within a family. If you screen* the kid and she has the virus, she’s put up in the Corona Inn and her parents are not. * In an isolated facility, not the great incubator that is the ER.
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Mar 15, 2020 23:33
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TTerrible posted:I just read the wiki page for Sweet Sweetback and this is just the tip of the iceberg Yeah, it's whole production is a saga. It's not the finest movie ever made. But it's made with a lot of passion and that passion makes it interesting to watch. And it has the greatest tagline in film. Rated X by an all white jury.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:Games Workshop are a world leader in plastics, and get hired to do auto industry prototyping on the side. No idea if they can do medical though. I suspect they'd fall down on issues of hygiene. The UK govt seems intent on running a strategy of herd immunity through controlled contamination, which is basically fueling the fire with the bodies of the vulnerable and unlucky. It''s going to blow in their loving faces.
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evil_bunnY posted:As others pointed out to you the chinese govt let it run rampant for a good long while before clamping down hard. Counterpoint: the majority of the dead will be idiot boomers who wanted Brexit, so a new referendum after they're all dead might just flip it back to remaining. UK government is just playing 3D chess while the Brexiteers are out playing checkers.
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Mar 16, 2020 01:40
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I don't think coronavirus knows political leaning.
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evil_bunnY posted:As others pointed out to you the chinese govt let it run rampant for a good long while before clamping down hard. It also assumes we can get a herd immunity that would last. It's entirely possible it'll mutate like flu and without a vaccine you'd have to go through it all again. Abject insanity. grillster posted:I don't think coronavirus knows political leaning. The Tory party rely on voters in their 70s to keep them in power. Brexit was disproportionately supported by people in their 60s and up. If they really gently caress this up then yes, Brexit supporters will be culled.
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Mar 16, 2020 02:06
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I just made a simple statement about a virus not knowing politics.
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grillster posted:I just made a simple statement about a virus not knowing politics. The virus knows age and our politics maps to age. The age at which the virus starts to have an appreciable mortality rate coincidentally happens to be the age where people start to turn into Tories.
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VectorSigma posted:plastic and metal with some electronic parts? pretty easy actually Lol, I used to write software at a startup which was building a new medical ventilator, and actually it's not technically that easy. It's really easy to push air into and out of someone's lungs, but doing so safely, consistently, and therapeutically takes several years of R&D. You really don't want to stack barotrauma on top of your pneumonia because that will definitely kill you.
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TTerrible posted:You've all given more though tot this than any member of the UK government. A factory is a factory. They make things?? Just make the things we need? Many custom molders are in fact set up this way. I dont know about UK/Europe but there are many companies in the US who can tool up to make pretty much any component, and have large assembly workforce. Quite a few are even qualified for medical devices, with clean room molding and assembly. I would assume that UK has several given that there are plenty of engineering firms in the UK that would demand those services. In any case, rushing a medical device into new production is impossible unless you waive many regulations. And the regulations exist for very good reasons.
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OctaMurk posted:If you waive regulations due to the crisis, it's possible to ramp up production of a lot of medical supplies and equipment. It would still take weeks to make and qualify tooling, reorganize supply lines etc, as well as intensive manual labor and a lot of money. I really don't want to die or to permanently lose lung function because my Walmart special ventilator popped my alveoli.
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