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It's entirely predictable that all the people who bitched and whined about the imminent dictatorship of Trump for nearly four years are pivoting to this being no time for division. We must unify and look to the leadership of führer Biden.
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SeANMcBAY posted:I'm not even talking about just the debates. I mean the campaign in general. There are going to be so many ads of Joe being "sleepy" and Biden will handle it poorly. I don’t think sleepy joe or senile joe is going to matter as much in the general. Biden vs Trump is just a referendum on Trump, and no one is going to care that Joe lost a step or 200. Trump being gone and the government being more competently staffed is all that matters. If the economy has recovered, Trump wins. If it hasn’t, he loses. Bernie needed to swing for the fences today, not that it get him to the point where he wins a majority of delegates, but it could have helped close the gap to show the force of the movement he has. Tonight didn’t move the needle, and Bernie getting beaten by 20-25 points in a lot of the remaining contests diminishes the power the left has in the party.
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CowboyKid posted:Biden is the guy. Get in line, a non vote is a vote for Trump. get hosed
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Retro42 posted:It kinda already has. At least enough to have Biden winning the primaries he has. Old people yeah, they came out in droves. But we're going to need everybody to turn out. Contrary to some people in this thread the youth vote did rise too, what does Biden have that will make young people vote?
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CowboyKid posted:It's over. Bernie needed Biden to dodder. He didn't. Delegate lead is too much to overcome. I don't give a poo poo, I didn't vote for Joe in the primary and I'm not going to vote for Joe in the general either. Enjoy your 4 More Years, cretin.
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SeANMcBAY posted:Sorry, not gonna work on me this time. I'm not voting for either racist sex creep that love putting people in cages. You're supporting Trump, though, so your post is very self contradicting.
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OK cool. So in essence we're hosed. I mean, we already were. Now we're double hosed or something.
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Majorian posted:Anyone who thinks winning a Democratic primary translates to winning a general election is too dumb to be allowed to talk about politics. Dismissing the desires of the average voter to just want “Not Trump” probably lost Bernie the primary. It’s a legitimate desire of a large portion of the electorate. We are all stuck in so deep we forget all the other people out there who vote too.
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Retro42 posted:Dismissing the desires of the average voter to just want “Not Trump” probably lost Bernie the primary. It’s a legitimate desire of a large portion of the electorate. Sorry, I’m not voting for Hillary.
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Without catching up with the thread: Bernie had a good debate. He won. He also demonstrated that he would be a better opponent against Trump than Biden could possibly hope to be. One criticism I have is that he didn't knife Biden with that "I'm considering a Republican VP" poo poo when he had the chance, but oh well. It's not going to move the needle. Bernie didn't scoop out Biden's brains and use them for Play-Doh like he needed to. Most of the brain-damaged Democratic electorate have chosen their horse in this race. Their lovely, segregationist, demented horse - and tonight isn't going to change their decorum-addled little brains. Second-worst electorate in the country, folks: Biden is going to get the nomination. That said: Kirios posted:It's not going to matter. This thread in general needs to stop being in denial and move beyond the primary season. MSDOS KAPITAL fucked around with this message at 03:47 on Mar 16, 2020 |
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Not choosing the lesser of two evils is idiocy. Anyone but trump.
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WOWEE ZOWEE posted:Old people yeah, they came out in droves. But we're going to need everybody to turn out. Contrary to some people in this thread the youth vote did rise too, what does Biden have that will make young people vote? Wait wait WAIT...are you telling me that browbeating them and saying that not voting is a vote for Trump is not enough to get young people to vote? Retro42 posted:Dismissing the desires of the average voter to just want “Not Trump” probably lost Bernie the primary. Nah, Bernie didn't dismiss those desires.
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MixMasterMalaria posted:Do you think there's any daylight between Biden and Trump re: climate change? Yes. Trump is actively putting climate deniers - people who actively believe "more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is good" - into positions of power. Biden wouldn't do that. Unfortunately, Biden also probably won't do anything more than try to find some compromise that lets fossil fuel companies maybe cut back on year-over-year emissions increases just a little bit, and that's not enough. The end result would be a delay of the worst effects (compared to the "status quo forever" baseline) rather than the systemic change we need. A delay is better than Trump's active acceleration, so yes, there's a very real difference between them. But it's not enough to get to where we need to be.
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I was maybe considering going to the polls for Biden but all this toxicity from Biden supporters is just harshing my buzz, you know? Maybe if they weren't so hysterical and shouty I would have tossed in my lot, but they just don't want my vote 
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A future progressive candidate needs to have a strategy to get through a “rigged” primary. There’s no point in complaining about it - it’s a pre-req for getting to the general if you’re running as a Dem.
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CowboyKid posted:Not choosing the lesser of two evils is idiocy. Anyone but trump. Please don't make this thread unreadable.
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CowboyKid posted:Not choosing the lesser of two evils is idiocy. Anyone but trump. This is why nothing ever improves. No one and watch it all burn. From afar.
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What happened to us following the title? Ignore the new people unless you're telling to just shut up about it.
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shrike82 posted:A future progressive candidate needs to have a strategy to get through a “rigged” primary. There’s no point in complaining about it - it’s a pre-req for getting to the general if you’re running as a Dem. CowboyKid posted:Not choosing the lesser of two evils is idiocy. Anyone but trump.
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hey apropos of nothing but isnt talking about November choices verboten
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WOWEE ZOWEE posted:Old people yeah, they came out in droves. But we're going to need everybody to turn out. Contrary to some people in this thread the youth vote did rise too, what does Biden have that will make young people vote? Well neither candidate appeals across the generational spectrum, so I don’t think we really have much standing when we say Bernie will do better in the general. Bernie is as toxic among old voters as Biden is among young voters. Unfortunately, there are way more people 45+, and they vote at a higher rate than their youth counterparts, so all we have done is show that the Democrats can’t win, no matter who they nominate.
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smoobles posted:You're supporting Trump, though, so your post is very self contradicting. gently caress off. You're the one supporting Trump by supporting the right wing democrat that has zero support with anyone under 45. Learn nothing from 2016 and just try again with an even worse candidate than Hillary.
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CowboyKid posted:Not choosing the lesser of two evils is idiocy. Anyone but trump. what's your offer
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Majorian posted:Nah, Bernie didn't dismiss those desires. you're right that he didn't dismiss it ("bernie beats trump" was a widely publicized slogan) but probably more accurate to say he simply failed to persuade those voters that he could get the job done. bernie did a great job expanding his reach to a more racially diverse group, but it was mainly among younger voters. but that barely balanced out his significant losses with rural voters (vs. 2016) that ended up siding with biden by a significant margin.
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smoobles posted:Bernie moving past the woman VP question looks bad yeah he should have just said yes like he'd planned it. there was no other way out of that that wouldn't be used to dominate the headlines about the debate
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SeANMcBAY posted:gently caress off. You're the one supporting Trump by supporting the right wing democrat that has zero support with anyone under 45. Libs have been fighting defensive battles their entire lives and they are incapable of understanding that it's possible to go on the attack. It would be sad if they all weren't the most reprehensible people on the planet.
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TyrantWD posted:Well neither candidate appeals across the generational spectrum, so I don’t think we really have much standing when we say Bernie will do better in the general. Bernie is as toxic among old voters as Biden is among young voters. Unfortunately, there are way more people 45+, and they vote at a higher rate than their youth counterparts, so all we have done is show that the Democrats can’t win, no matter who they nominate. There is an underlying truth here that the Democratic party as it is now is not a stable coalition.
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CowboyKid posted:Not choosing the lesser of two evils is idiocy. Anyone but trump. biden isn't the lesser of two evils, he's just the more polite version of the same evil
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SeANMcBAY posted:gently caress off. You're the one supporting Trump by supporting the right wing democrat that has zero support with anyone under 45. Conversely, Bernie has zero support with anyone over 45. The entire race right now boils down to a generational divide really. Only thing this argument shows is that more olds vote than young people. Considering that means Biden has more votes in more states that means he’s the better choice for candidate. If more young voters voted than olds I’d say the opposite.
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Malleum posted:Libs have been fighting defensive battles their entire lives and they are incapable of understanding that it's possible to go on the attack. It would be sad if they all weren't the most reprehensible people on the planet. Libs, by definition, do not want things to change. They want a different senile old fool in charge, that’s it.
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President Donald John Trump.
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https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/1239372826001408000?s=20 Stuff like this is only the beginning.
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a vote for biden is a vote for everything trump stands for except in a version palatable to different people than trump is
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Gatts posted:There was a Biden collapse. He outright lied about his record on Social Security. Lied multiple times. Biden's been lying about things on national TV since he ran for president in 1987. I wouldn't call that a collapse, i'd call that standard Biden. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmuAB5MqP0Y if you are curious, it's basically what caused him to drop out less than a month later) Apogee15 fucked around with this message at 03:46 on Mar 16, 2020 |
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Everybody knows that the dice are loaded Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed Everybody knows the war is over Everybody knows the good guys lost. Everybody knows the fight was fixed The poor stay poor, the rich get rich That's how it goes. Everybody knows. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuuCezrAUKk
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Retro42 posted:Conversely, Bernie has zero support with anyone over 45. The entire race right now boils down to a generational divide really. A ton of Biden people like Bernie and would go to him if he won. It will not be the other way around.
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SeANMcBAY posted:A ton of Biden people like Bernie and would go to him if he won. It will not be the other way around. yeah, because they're cowards
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SeANMcBAY posted:A ton of Biden people like Bernie and would go to him if he won. It will not be the other way around. Exactly. The stark difference in support from independents only highlights how little Biden's successes in the primaries will translate into success in the general.
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WOWEE ZOWEE posted:There is an underlying truth here that the Democratic party as it is now is not a stable coalition. That’s what happens when one party moves so far to the right. There is quite a wide spectrum of people who decided they don’t want to be proto-nazis, which makes it impossible to find someone acceptable to everyone.
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