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Rotten Red Rod posted:Well, yeah, I figured that scene in her head was pretty obviously a reference to Yisun. Her and Cio's fight/kiss after kind of is too. I guess those tie into the theme of cycles, but I'm also saying there also could literally be an eternal timeloop. There's also the option of YISUN reforming at some point, ie everything in every universe is destroyed utterly, God spends an instantaneous timeless eternity existing as All in One, then splits up again to remake everything. It's wheels all the way down!
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Rotten Red Rod posted:Well, yeah, I figured that scene in her head was pretty obviously a reference to Yisun. Her and Cio's fight/kiss after kind of is too. I'm like 100% that everybody remembers the Cio/Allison panels, but in case you forgot the Yis-un part 
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Tulip posted:I'm like 100% that everybody remembers the Cio/Allison panels, but in case you forgot the Yis-un part That's... Exactly what I was referring to. I'm not sure why you think I'd forgotten it. My point is that Allison and Cio fighting and then making out parallels that story. YaketySass posted:The most Royal weapon. I've finished both FFTA games and I still have no idea what that thing is Rotten Red Rod fucked around with this message at 14:39 on Mar 14, 2020 |
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My theory is that either Zoss is time looping back through the point of choosing an heir, or the cycle is metaphorical. Personally I hope it’s like the Nerevarine - he’s been doing this a bunch, but this is the first time the Demiurges have become fully aware of it. Joe Slowboat fucked around with this message at 16:41 on Mar 14, 2020 |
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Tulip posted:I'm like 100% that everybody remembers the Cio/Allison panels, but in case you forgot the Yis-un part This is such a fun idea. Something very similar takes place in NK Jemisin's The Hundred Thousand Kingdoms.
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I'm reading it more as a "cycle of violence" sort of thing. Zoss invaded Throne, broke down the old laws, and established a new order. Then the demiurges warred in Throne, broke down the old laws and established a new order. Now Allison is challenging the rulers of Throne, and has no respect for their laws... It's easy to see how the angels, as representatives of the laws, might be getting a bit sick of it. And who knows how many times the ruling order was changed up in the demiurges' wars. This would explain where Zoss was during all this war - picking champions, trying to find one who would do it right.
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Rotten Red Rod posted:I've finished both FFTA games and I still have no idea what that thing is It's the oversized anime version of this.
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AriadneThread posted:finish the cycle of eternal return if i had the choice i would obliterate the multiverse and stop the cycles of guilt
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 Zoss spoke of cycles as wellhttps://killsixbilliondemons.com/comic/seeker-of-thrones-9-101/
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YaketySass posted:The most Royal weapon. Ye gods that's the most hideously overdesigned character I've seen in a while. It's like Tetsuya Nomura had psychic diarrhea on the page.
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Ironically, you can't blame Nomura for FFTA 1 or 2. That's all Ryoma Ito.
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If there's one thing you can say for Nomura, it's that he doesn't overdesign. He has a problem with using elements in ways that don't make sense half the time, but he's still presenting clear outlines. In FF15 he managed to present four protagonists all wearing nothing but black that still looked very distinct from each other. The man knows what he's doing. Ito's usually pretty good but I really think he needs a hand on his collar or you get... that guy. That's the FFTA2 protag, right?
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I'd agree on Nomura, except for the characters in The Bouncer and FFX2, they did come out overdesigned. My problem with Nomura's stuff is you have to like the "runway fashion" aesthetic he's in love with.
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Oh my god I just noticed the second, regular sword in the back (red scabbard, on their hip) Also the giant pizza cutter is bugging me because it's so completely weightless, it isn't even on their shoulder, it's just hovering ominously behind their back or something
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There is a Magical operation of maximum importance; the Initiation of a New Aeon. When it becomes necessary to utter a Word, the whole Planet must be bathed in blood...
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SlimGoodbody posted:Ye gods that's the most hideously overdesigned character I've seen in a while. It's like Tetsuya Nomura had psychic diarrhea on the page. Yeah, how does he walk around with all that crap? Is he constantly tugging at his belts and sighing because he can't keep things from clanking loudly all the time?
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Dirt Road Junglist posted:Yeah, how does he walk around with all that crap? Is he constantly tugging at his belts and sighing because he can't keep things from clanking loudly all the time? The longer I look, the more perplexed I become.
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The answer is he doesn't look like that at all in the game :P
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I assume that one of the big problems with the various Demiruges is that they don't have folks around them to talk stuff through. White Chain and Cio seem to be helping Alison to see the changes and try to resolve them, and by so doing change her and themselves. The Demiruges (despite all the outward growth of power) never actually change. They remain and are static, if not in powers then in personality. I think if anything this comic is trying to show the power that comes from change.
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Rotten Red Rod posted:That's... Exactly what I was referring to. I'm not sure why you think I'd forgotten it. My point is that Allison and Cio fighting and then making out parallels that story. that was a rhetorical "you" not an individual "you," it was supporting your (individual) point
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THE WHEEL OF FATE IS TURNING REBEL ONE ACTION!
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the cycle is actually just a reference to jugg's skele-cycle
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Josef bugman posted:I assume that one of the big problems with the various Demiruges is that they don't have folks around them to talk stuff through. White Chain and Cio seem to be helping Alison to see the changes and try to resolve them, and by so doing change her and themselves. What if it's all Incubus?
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Tulip posted:that was a rhetorical "you" not an individual "you," it was supporting your (individual) point Ah, fair enough.
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Shoehead posted:What if it's all Incubus? I mena it could be, but it seems unlikely. Alison seems to be growing as a person at the same time as growing stronger. I think that is because of Cio, White Chain and her own efforts.
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Agean90 posted:the cycle is actually just a reference to jugg's skele-cycle she must brake the cycle
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Josef bugman posted:I assume that one of the big problems with the various Demiruges is that they don't have folks around them to talk stuff through. White Chain and Cio seem to be helping Alison to see the changes and try to resolve them, and by so doing change her and themselves. YISUN's favourite student was the Master of Want whose greed and hunger for what others had drove them to constant change.
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Patware posted:If there's one thing you can say for Nomura, it's that he doesn't overdesign. He has a problem with using elements in ways that don't make sense half the time, but he's still presenting clear outlines. In FF15 he managed to present four protagonists all wearing nothing but black that still looked very distinct from each other. The man knows what he's doing. This is also why that his designs for The World Ends With You are some of his best as his brand of Fashion Anarchy fits entirely within Shibuya.
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shirts and skins posted:This is such a fun idea. Something very similar takes place in NK Jemisin's The Hundred Thousand Kingdoms. This is a good reminder to read more NK Jemisin. Anyway I just came into this thread to post that White Chain continues to have a cute butt.
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Preview image is... wew lads. I continue to be hype. But I wonder when we will hate the Thing?
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Mile'ionaha posted:Preview image is... wew lads. Hating the thing was actually a lie to get our expectations on edge because realtime fandom's are obnoxious about predictions.
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the true thing we were all going to hate was the friends we made along the way
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a computing pun posted:the true thing we were all going to hate was the friends we made along the way True. gently caress friends, those selfless, self-righteous pieces of poo poo!
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