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| R. Allin-Khan |
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6 | 1.60% |
| R. Burgon |
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80 | 21.33% |
| D. Butler |
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| A. Rayner |
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| I. Murray |
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| P. Flaps |
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177 | 47.20% |
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crispix posted:Isn't it touching all the stuff in and around a toilet that spreads germs? So would it not be less unhygienic to pee outside so long as you have a reasonably clean knob? Yes, but people should have free access to soap and running water for regular cleaning. Bathroom breaks are just a good regular time for hand hygiene, the knob-touching is an added bonus
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Mar 16, 2020 12:34
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Answer the door with a CO2 fire extinguisher and spray the delivery driver down with that. Sure your food will be ice cold but lets see that virus motherfucker try and get you from ice hell.
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Mar 16, 2020 12:34
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Dr John Campbell's update yesterday saying there was preliminary data suggesting interventions targeted at symptoms (antipyretics, steroids) may actually be increasing the death rate. "Think twice about taking paracetamol etc" if you have it. No peer reviewed studies yet or anything but... (the section where he talks about Italy's death rate in this video, for those not already following the account) Also, question for the professionals in the thread, I'm fascinated by the report upthread mentioning white blood cell count not increasing at all over the course of this disease. Is this significant? Are there other diseases that do this?
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Mar 16, 2020 12:35
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FTSE down a full third since Jan 1st lmao
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Mar 16, 2020 12:36
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sebzilla posted:FTSE down a full third since Jan 1st lmao The good part is it's being covered as all about the virus and nothing to do with the fundamental faults of capitalism.
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Mar 16, 2020 12:38
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It’s not all doom and gloomBBC posted:
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Mar 16, 2020 12:38
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Camrath posted:Hopefully having to literally flee for the border will take some of the wind out of my Tory-loving dad’s sails.. It won't. You know how it goes. Anyway I had to watch an English woman touching all the products in the bakery section of the supermarket instead of using the tongs GO HOME
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Mar 16, 2020 12:39
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peanut- posted:I mean the delivery guy is just touching a paper or plastic bag. Throw that in the bin immediately and then was your hands afterwards and its tough to see how that's a particularly dangerous infection vector. you're touching a bag which has been handled by like 4-5 people before it gets to you. i think disposing of the bag and then washing your hand would probably work but there's no gurantee that i've not had to repack the contents of the bag to stop it immediatetly falling over and leaking everywhere in my backpack. also kitchen staff could be coughing their lungs out when making the food in the first place. e: i should stress i'm reasonably competent at my job. i'm not high or drinking alcohol on shift nor am i reaching in to bags to steal chips and bits of food. i can't promise the same about other riders. hemale in pain fucked around with this message at 12:41 on Mar 16, 2020 |
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Mar 16, 2020 12:39
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Just did my sainsburys run. Not many youths out and about but the place was absolutely loving packed with old people merrily going about their business. I did a 'keep-one-metre-away-from-them-at-all-times-so-I-don't-kill-nana' dance and had my mask on, but honestly I'm not sure why I bothered, they must all have a loving death wish
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Mar 16, 2020 12:40
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Just had a parcel delivered. Instead of asking me to sign the thingy with my finger the delivery guy signed it 'COV19' himself. Like, probably a good idea but just another of those weird little things I wouldn't have thought about.
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Mar 16, 2020 12:44
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I probably don't need to leave the house for at least another week. The breaking point will be when I run out of milk (got two 4 pinters in the freezer). Technically I can drink black coffee and protein shakes with water but I think I'd prefer the virus.
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Mar 16, 2020 12:45
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Barry Foster posted:Yeah, figured. To be clear, I don't care if I get it/if I already have it - that's my problem - but I did want to ensure that it was best practice in spread control in general. Nope. Saw it this morning, it'll just make them roll their eyes and mutter "what a fool" under their breath to each other after you've walked past.
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Mar 16, 2020 12:45
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Yeah I’m in work today and the delivery drivers aren’t hanging around, just basically dropping them off with absolutely minimal contact which makes total sense really. one of the guys I work with reckons its just a scam for them to be stealing Prime stuff, which is... unlikely
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Mar 16, 2020 12:46
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Maugrim posted:Also, question for the professionals in the thread, I'm fascinated by the report upthread mentioning white blood cell count not increasing at all over the course of this disease. Is this significant? Are there other diseases that do this? Traditionally it was thought that elevated WBC count during fever was a sign of bacterial infection and viral fevers from rhinovirus or corona did not change WBC count, but the current research is that that's not a reliable sign on its own. Luxury Tent Carpet posted:It’s not all doom and gloom
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Mar 16, 2020 12:47
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Guavanaut posted:I mean HIV is pretty famous for white blood cell count not increasing over the course of this disease, but that's more different. Yeah overall WBC is informative but by itself not really that informative, you need the differential to show what's happening wrt neutropenia/leukopenia/leukocytosis to know what's going on. Some viruses screw with the bone marrows ability to pump out immune cells
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Mar 16, 2020 12:50
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Barry Foster posted:Just did my sainsburys run. Not many youths out and about but the place was absolutely loving packed with old people merrily going about their business. I did a 'keep-one-metre-away-from-them-at-all-times-so-I-don't-kill-nana' dance and had my mask on, but honestly I'm not sure why I bothered, they must all have a loving death wish They're loving Dodo's. Never been challenged in their lives, everything handed to them and then they tore that post war consensuses up to make their bedding. If anything is a warning against socialism it's not the typical screeching about Venezuela. It's the generation that was given more opportunity and safety than any generation before or after through the fighting and deaths of the millions of working class people before them who immediately spun around, said "gently caress you, Got mine" and sold it all off to buy and sell their council house and move to Spain.
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Mar 16, 2020 12:51
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Nettle Soup posted:Nope. Saw it this morning, it'll just make them roll their eyes and mutter "what a fool" under their breath to each other after you've walked past. Barry Foster posted:Just did my sainsburys run. Not many youths out and about but the place was absolutely loving packed with old people merrily going about their business. I did a 'keep-one-metre-away-from-them-at-all-times-so-I-don't-kill-nana' dance and had my mask on, but honestly I'm not sure why I bothered, they must all have a loving death wish lol yarp EDIT Gonzo McFee posted:They're loving Dodo's. Never been challenged in their lives, everything handed to them and then they tore that post war consensuses up to make their bedding. If anything is a warning against socialism it's not the typical screeching about Venezuela. It's the generation that was given more opportunity and safety than any generation before or after through the fighting and deaths of the millions of working class people before them who immediately spun around, said "gently caress you, Got mine" and sold it all off to buy and sell their council house and move to Spain. Hard loving truth.
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Mar 16, 2020 12:51
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The Spanish government has passed emergency legislation to forcefully requisition all private healthcare facilities in the country. Get in.
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Mar 16, 2020 12:52
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https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1239512258868281347 Seems remarkably sensible.
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Mar 16, 2020 12:52
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Barry Foster posted:Just did my sainsburys run. Not many youths out and about but the place was absolutely loving packed with old people merrily going about their business. I did a 'keep-one-metre-away-from-them-at-all-times-so-I-don't-kill-nana' dance and had my mask on, but honestly I'm not sure why I bothered, they must all have a loving death wish I'm trying to put myself in the mindset of people who just get their news from the TV and the Tory press. If that was you, would you actually be isolating yourself right now? Based on what you've been told, which is the government isn't locking anything down, schools are open, transport is running, workplaces are all open. Stronger measures are being considered, but no-one properly official has said you should actually stay at home or anything.
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Mar 16, 2020 12:53
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Maugrim posted:Dr John Campbell's update yesterday saying there was preliminary data suggesting interventions targeted at symptoms (antipyretics, steroids) may actually be increasing the death rate. "Think twice about taking paracetamol etc" if you have it. No peer reviewed studies yet or anything but... It may have been the wall of text I posted last night that mentioned the same about steroids. Otherwise it was some other wall of text from a doctor somewhere, but the thing about "steroids the the thing we usually throw at patients like this and it's actively making it worse" has definitely been going around.
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Mar 16, 2020 12:53
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peanut- posted:I'm trying to put myself in the mindset of people who just get their news from the TV and the Tory press. Yeah, no, you're right. It really would've been me if I hadn't woken the gently caress up yesterday. I went from no news to all news, but through channels other than the ones you mentioned. So total ignorance rather than informed ignorance, but the latter is even worse atm. I really really hope the government starts locking poo poo down, like, today. This can't go on
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Mar 16, 2020 12:54
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hemale in pain posted:I know you guys aren't dumb but seriously don't order deliveroo or uber or whatever. Most of my fellow workers are unhygenic as gently caress and tons of the riders believe the pandemic isn't real or is just flu. On top of this I would absolutely avoid bags of chopped salad from supermarkets.
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Mar 16, 2020 12:58
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I made the mistake of looking through the facebook group for my local area - tonnes of older people saying how everyone's over-reacting and they don't want to cancel their annual holiday to Spain/Greece, how they've survived x, x and x and anyway, when it's your time, it's your time. My other friend who's a surgical nurse said this weekend was the tipping point, people are starting to come in and staff are panicking a bit as there's no guidance for anything, the air that's being circulated round the hospital is probably infected by now but nobody knows what to do. e: so many places I do freelance work for are also just 'following government advice, so no change for the foreseeable future' - so plenty of events are still going ahead, centres still open for people with physical difficulties, or people just waiting around? We're hosed.
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Mar 16, 2020 12:59
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ThomasPaine posted:Can't wait to spin crazy stories to the kids about surviving the great pandemic of 2020 when actually I just drank a lot and got right back into dragon age: origins Will this be our generation's equivalent of Boomers and WW2 (apart from the fact that we actually were alive for the Great Pandemic)? By the time we're 60 we'll have deluded ourselves that we were personally patrolling the streets, punching COVID viruses and taking food and medicine to little old ladies. When actually most of us stayed at home for a few weeks and really cracked through a backlog of video games, box sets and recreational drugs. More general update: After three years of freelancing and working from home, I spent two weeks in a new office job before going right back to home working! I now work with an events team, and we had a dozen or so events planned between the last week of this month and October. We've postponed the first one by seven months but the official line is that all the others are taking place as scheduled unless the government advice/restrictions change. But since we've already shifted the first one I suspect that they'll all be greatly postponed or cancelled once it gets to within a few weeks of the date. Everyone below upper management is making secret plans on that basis anyway... The scary thing is that each of these events has 10-15,000 people at it. And yet the number of emails/SM messages asking about whether the event(s) will go ahead because of the coronavirus waiting for us after a weekend where it's been non-stop bad news and most of Europe has gone into lockdown is in single figures. More people are asking about whether we'll have hoodies available to buy or if they can put up a gazebo. Crazy.
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Mar 16, 2020 13:00
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Boss is happy for me to come in to be briefed and go home to work, which is something. Bit of a risk window there but probably the safest I can make things. Feels like election time again; here I am refreshing this thread with a feeling of dread and disappointment in certain age groups / mindsets. Does Braggart still hang out here or did he stop posting to save his sanity post election?
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Mar 16, 2020 13:01
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justcola posted:I made the mistake of looking through the facebook group for my local area - tonnes of older people saying how everyone's over-reacting and they don't want to cancel their annual holiday to Spain/Greece, how they've survived x, x and x and anyway, when it's your time, it's your time. lol at least these stupid likely-nazi fucks know its their turn to get in the urn
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Mar 16, 2020 13:01
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Jippa posted:On top of this I would absolutely avoid bags of chopped salad from supermarkets. If I'm getting sandwiches I figure going for the cheapo basic supermarket variety is better than Pret or whatever because they're more likely to be made by a cold, unfeeling machine than a coughing person. Is that right?
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Mar 16, 2020 13:03
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justcola posted:when it's your time, it's your time. This is bravado deflection and when it actually is "their time" they'll be screaming about how the overworked nurse desperately trying to keep them alive isn't white. JeremoudCorbynejad posted:The Spanish government has passed emergency legislation to forcefully requisition all private healthcare facilities in the country. owns
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Mar 16, 2020 13:05
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justcola posted:the air that's being circulated round the hospital is probably infected Small reassurance but this isn't how it spreads iirc, it survives up to 72 hours on hard surfaces and can be transmitted via droplet (I.e. from coughs or sneezes) but it isn't airborne
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Mar 16, 2020 13:08
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ThomasPaine posted:Small reassurance but this isn't how it spreads iirc, it survives up to 72 hours on hard surfaces and can be transmitted via droplet (I.e. from coughs or sneezes) but it isn't airborne god could you imagine if it was
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Mar 16, 2020 13:09
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Necrothatcher posted:If I'm getting sandwiches I figure going for the cheapo basic supermarket variety is better than Pret or whatever because they're more likely to be made by a cold, unfeeling machine than a coughing person. Is that right? Try and buy whole lettuces or whatever. e- Sorry I misread that. I thought you meant "making". I'm not sure about pre made sandwiches just those bags of salad are apparently terrible for all sorts of nasty stuff. Jippa fucked around with this message at 13:14 on Mar 16, 2020 |
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Mar 16, 2020 13:09
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ThomasPaine posted:Small reassurance but this isn't how it spreads iirc, it survives up to 72 hours on hard surfaces and can be transmitted via droplet (I.e. from coughs or sneezes) but it isn't airborne Lol if you think the average NHS hospital has a working ventilation system.
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Mar 16, 2020 13:11
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Necrothatcher posted:If I'm getting sandwiches I figure going for the cheapo basic supermarket variety is better than Pret or whatever because they're more likely to be made by a cold, unfeeling machine than a coughing person. Is that right? I’m sure they’re also lovingly handcrafted by minimum wage workers
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Mar 16, 2020 13:11
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justcola posted:I made the mistake of looking through the facebook group for my local area - tonnes of older people saying how everyone's over-reacting and they don't want to cancel their annual holiday to Spain/Greece, how they've survived x, x and x and anyway, when it's your time, it's your time.
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Mar 16, 2020 13:12
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no matter how bad this gets, I'll be thankful that I'm not the idiot going round canterbury buying all of the vegetable oil
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Mar 16, 2020 13:12
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I really wish I did anything other than work in a pharmacy right now. Back off to work after a week's holiday.
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Mar 16, 2020 13:12
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lmao https://twitter.com/logophobe/status/1239287398757875712?s=19HopperUK posted:I really wish I did anything other than work in a pharmacy right now. Back off to work after a week's holiday. oof. buy a set of gloves from your own shop before starting work?
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Mar 16, 2020 13:15
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ThomasPaine posted:Small reassurance but this isn't how it spreads iirc, it survives up to 72 hours on hard surfaces and can be transmitted via droplet (I.e. from coughs or sneezes) but it isn't airborne Chinese researches are saying it can stay airborne for at least 30 minutes, and I think I remember reports from Norway saying possibly up to a couple of hours if the conditions were right. The advice in Norway was to assume that the air inside can be infectious, but outside is safe.
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Guavanaut posted:I mean HIV is pretty famous for white blood cell count not increasing over the course of this disease, but that's more different. Specifically this virus seems to cause depressed lymphocyte count, particularly in more severe cases. Bacterial infection generally causes an increase in neutrophil count. In my work (cancer cell therapy research/development) we deplete patients' lymphocyte count to help the therapeutic cells expand, so patients will be particularly at risk from covid-19. A proportion of patients also get side effects that require ICU admission so clearly not good if the ICU is full. Balanced against that, the therapy is potentially curative and the patients have no other good options so there's a pretty finely balanced risk/benefit decision.
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