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That Old Tree posted:lol jesus christ Yeah, it's somehow harder to learn how to do that than it is for a barbarian to learn how to breath fire. That's only a level 6 feat.
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Darwinism posted:Also the fact that PF2E martials have to assemble a functional class from (poorly written) parts while casters are given a whole class that is then directed into different specialties is part of the same problem imo No. This is disingenuous bullshit. Your basic class features make you functional in all statistical categories. Your class feat choices allow you to specialize in a particular play style, the same as feats and powers always have. This applies to both spellcasting and non-casting classes. Where spellcasting classes receive spells without any feat choices, other classes are improving their own mechanics. The fighter is already the best at fighting with their proficiencies, martial flexibility, and strong defensive abilities before their feat choices.
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If Pathfinder 3e is launch 4e, and Pathfinder 4e is 4e with MM3 maths and some fixes, I'm excited to see Pathfinder 5e.
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One thing that hasn’t been mentioned is that a martial character can be only an Archetype Feat or two from having a spell or two themselves. The experience I’ve had is that casters are heavily pushed into a utility role in PF2e and the vast majority of damage will be martials. However, repetitive play for martials is still an issue 
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hyphz posted:One thing that hasn’t been mentioned is that a martial character can be only an Archetype Feat or two from having a spell or two themselves. Repetitive play isn’t a huge problem for me, because there’s something deeply satisfying to me when I hit and get big numbers. Consistent big numbers? Great!
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That Old Tree posted:lol jesus christ The father proudly answered "
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Arivia posted:This is pretty clear when taken in the proper context (ie: with the rest of the core rulebook.) The second Strike does not take the increased penalty as noted in the second sentence of Double Slice. You are right, the third attack if any you make will take a -10. Ok cool, I think I get it now. But why do you say it would usually be at -5? Wouldn’t you want to use this as your first move if you’re going to make three Strikes in the same round? And if it is, your current penalty would be -0 right?
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Nickoten posted:Ok cool, I think I get it now. But why do you say it would usually be at -5? Wouldn’t you want to use this as your first move if you’re going to make three Strikes in the same round? And if it is, your current penalty would be -0 right? Correct. I was writing that kind of half-asleep. I meant to say that it would save you an attack penalty of -5 if you had one (technically it would be a penalty at -4 because agile, or -5 if not) which is huge in math terms in 2e.
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Arivia posted:Correct. I was writing that kind of half-asleep. I meant to say that it would save you an attack penalty of -5 if you had one (technically it would be a penalty at -4 because agile, or -5 if not) which is huge in math terms in 2e. Yeah, that makes sense then. Thanks!
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Arivia posted:@Halloween Jack: the PF2 math is really tight so it never breaks apart like you’re describing and what happened in 3e/PF1. Instead you’re always challenged by thighs within about a five level range; if you really specialize you can punch above your weight at like legendary proficiency. The math behind proficiencies is laid out in the GMG in case you want to tinker with it; pulling level out makes lower-level creatures stay dangerous much longer and allows for a less super heroic feel. Maxwell Lord posted:Does PF2 have the equivalent of Come and Get It? If not, I'm not interested. Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 15:50 on Mar 16, 2020 |
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90s Cringe Rock posted:If Pathfinder 3e is launch 4e, and Pathfinder 4e is 4e with MM3 maths and some fixes, I'm excited to see Pathfinder 5e.
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My mom just self-quarantined and is already getting antsy, so I want to set up some virtual game nights. For someone who hasn't done a lot of online tabletop, what would be your recommendation for online play that would be easy for older person who works in an office but otherwise isn't terribly tech savvy? Board games or RPGs, doesn't matter. Edit: to rephrase it, what's the most user friendly online tabletop? Tibalt fucked around with this message at 16:32 on Mar 16, 2020 |
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Mar 16, 2020 16:29
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Fruits of the sea posted:Hey, not sure if this is the right place to ask so feel free to direct me to a better thread: The game is in one sense realistic, because the entire thing depends on eastern Europe. The German player should pump tanks and try to take Moscow and Karelia, while the Soviet player should dump everything into infantry first turn to make a meat wall, then build tanks to punch back. Everybody else can do whatever. Setup and teardown will take about as long as playing the game, which is also quite long. Good luck!
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Tibalt posted:My mom just self-quarantined and is already getting antsy, so I want to set up some virtual game nights. For someone who hasn't done a lot of online tabletop, what would be your recommendation for online play that would be easy for older person who works in an office but otherwise isn't terribly tech savvy? Board games or RPGs, doesn't matter. I think if you know office software Tabletop Simulator might be your best bet. Grab a pre-set boardgame from the workshop or the DLC and go. OR Use video conferencing and some sort of camera-pointed-at-the-board setup?
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roll20's relatively easy to join and manage, since it's browser based. That said, on it's own it's pretty basic, and you'll have to program in (or find a community made) character sheet or add on to have things like rollable buttons for powers or the like. Also I know there's complaints about the audio/video quality (a lot of groups seem to use other software for those, and roll20 just for the whiteboard/tokens). I don't do much play that way though, so I can't comment on it. There's several other VTTs out there that range from free to standardish software costs. Some of those people seem to like because they are more focused in providing support for a licensed set of games, so less out the box to do. Fantasy Grounds is the big one that seems to get mentioned for that a lot. I can't comment too much on it, as I've only done some limited stuff (it seemed fine), but others I'm sure can extol the virtues and flaws.
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On other news, the 0th edition of Glitch with public domain art is now available PoD for those who wished for it.
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Desiden posted:roll20's relatively easy to join and manage, since it's browser based. That said, on it's own it's pretty basic, and you'll have to program in (or find a community made) character sheet or add on to have things like rollable buttons for powers or the like. Also I know there's complaints about the audio/video quality (a lot of groups seem to use other software for those, and roll20 just for the whiteboard/tokens). I don't do much play that way though, so I can't comment on it. I really want to get into roll20 but like, is it actually possible (or even feasible) to run a game from books that you own without buying a bunch of support in the app for running it?
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Yes? You do the math in your head, like if you were at the table.
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Halloween Jack posted:That's good. It's a major improvement to not have 3e's complete mayhem of free-floating skill ranks and DCs. But can the fighter actually do anything besides HP damage? Yes. First, you need to know that all the combat maneuvers that were common in 3e are now Athletics checks, and don’t require feats to be usable or useful. You can get Athletics skill feats to make them more effective, of course. (Sunder is largely gone, although you can now break your shield to block damage.) So the fighter class feats focus on action economy and even stronger options, instead of making you muddy through Combat Reflexes or Dirty Fighting to get Improved Bull Rush or whatever to get started. Instead you get things like Combat Grab, which lets you make an attack and land a Grab (think Grapple but much less stupid) in one action. This actually starts at level 1; Snagging Strike lets you debuff enemies with flat-footed, which will set things up for your allies, including your rogue’s sneak attack. It should be mentioned that fighters, champions (paladins), and to some degree barbarians are also very effective defenders in the 4e mode. Instead of a marking mechanic, defender-type characters in PF2 get attacks of opportunity (which other characters do not), and can use those to disrupt, debuff or further defend themselves against enemies. This uses your reaction (and so does using a shield to its utmost), which is why that level 20 capstone feat that gives you a reaction on every turn is actually really powerful: for a defender-build fighter, that’s a reaction on each and every enemy turn to disrupt them, or defend yourself or someone else from them. Come and Get It is for barbarians in the CRB, which makes sense. They have a lot of class feats that synergize with Intimidate; barbarians look to tank by shouting taunts at enemies, making them completely ineffective and focused on them. E: barbarian come and get it is not like the 4e fighter power. It’s like Robilar’s Gambit from 3.5, if you remember that. Arivia fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Mar 16, 2020 |
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Vampire the Dark Ages, Twentieth Anniversary Edition is free on DriveThru. https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/144495/Vampire-20th-Anniversary-Edition-The-Dark-Ages
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Call of Cthulhu Coloring Book! Free! And a contest as well! https://www.chaosium.com/blogstaying-in-color-in-at-home-with-chaosium-weve-made-call-of-cthulhu-the-coloring-book-a-free-download/ quote:Dear members of the Chaosium tribe,
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food court bailiff posted:I really want to get into roll20 but like, is it actually possible (or even feasible) to run a game from books that you own without buying a bunch of support in the app for running it? Yes. I'm currently running WWWRPG in it. Everyone's bought the pdf, and is running from either a printed character sheet or marking up a pdf on their iPad or whatever. I'm running the game from the pdf and some written notes. I made simple character sheets and macros so people could track their numbers and press a button instead of writing /roll 2d6+x. Took maybe half an hour to set up and I haven't paid anything. I made a bunch of logos for the league and the characters in photoshop and found some '80s ads to display during breaks, and that took longer than setting up roll20.
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food court bailiff posted:I really want to get into roll20 but like, is it actually possible (or even feasible) to run a game from books that you own without buying a bunch of support in the app for running it? Yes, with the caveat that it's easier or harder depending on the specific game you're running and some of it's needs. You can import your own tokens and if you have access to a scanner you can always sketch maps and upload them as images. Most of the functionality in the marketplace is either for automating stuff for various games (i.e. power cards, battlemap tiles that were made by others, adventure packs, etc.). The basic whiteboard and die roller can be used by anyone with a free membership.
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Wow, the Pokemon tcg thread died ages ago. What made everyone stop caring? 
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Where are you nerds finding Tabletop Simulator games these days? I want to play boardgames and I don't want to kill people with a disease.
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Feel bad that I made an rear end in a top hat out of myself on the trad games discord a lot of people use here. Very sorry. anyway I respect Pathfinder 2e for stealing ideas from D&D 4e after Pathfinder 1e helped kill it, that's cool and good since I hate WotC more than Paizo
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SunAndSpring posted:Feel bad that I made an rear end in a top hat out of myself on the trad games discord a lot of people use here. Very sorry. don't worry getting fuego mad is basically a free square loose beef LOOSE BEEF (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Arivia posted:don't worry getting fuego mad is basically a free square You can be a real dick sometimes for seemingly no reason.
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Yes, bringing up the Loose Beef Incident, definitely considered by everyone in this thread as a sick own on Fuego and not someone else. I didn't even loving remember it was Fuego, but I sure as poo poo remember the other principal in that exchange.
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food court bailiff posted:I really want to get into roll20 but like, is it actually possible (or even feasible) to run a game from books that you own without buying a bunch of support in the app for running it? I'm playing in a D&D 4e game on Roll20 now using only freely available stuff (mainly the character sheet), so even crunchy systems are doable. I wrote a Google sheet to help build macros—Roll20 has a template for 4e powers but it's inconvenient at best to use manually. It's here if anyone wants to give it a whirl.
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occamsnailfile posted:You can be a real dick sometimes for seemingly no reason. I'm okay with mocking someone whose idea of a "REAL MANLY MEAL" for when he escaped from his girlfriend was a pound of cooked, unspiced, loose beef e: like that's the kind of toxic masculinity I can happily laugh at all day long
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Arivia posted:I'm okay with mocking someone whose idea of a "REAL MANLY MEAL" for when he escaped from his girlfriend was a pound of cooked, unspiced, loose beef You really utterly fail to understand why you’re in the wrong on this, and are further wrong to cling to this grudge for literal years.
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occamsnailfile posted:You really utterly fail to understand why you’re in the wrong on this, and are further wrong to cling to this grudge for literal years. What, because he tried to reframe it as me attacking his girlfriend for being a vegetarian (whatever), and then kicked me out on those pretenses because his fragile ego got hurt? I'm not seeing anything that disputes the toxic masculinity at play here.
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SunAndSpring posted:Feel bad that I made an rear end in a top hat out of myself on the trad games discord a lot of people use here. Very sorry. Sunny, to respond to your original post, people have bad times. It happens. I know you’re facing difficulties now and I wish we could help more.
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SunAndSpring posted:why are you doing this because it's important to show you that you're not an rear end in a top hat for not indulging the bad behaviours and thought distortions of "trad games regulars", whatever might have happened
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Arivia posted:because it's important to show you that you're not an rear end in a top hat for not indulging the bad behaviours and thought distortions of "trad games regulars", whatever might have happened Hey, I'd like to submit that maybe this frame of mind is why you're persona non grata across a huge swathe of the forums.
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fool of sound posted:Hey, I'd like to submit that maybe this frame of mind is why you're persona non grata across a huge swathe of the forums. Oh, I'm sure! People don't like getting called out on their bullshit, and they prefer to flock with others who protect their delusions (see my avatar, a gift from another offsite Discord community who decided they wanted to be moral police.)
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Arivia posted:Oh, I'm sure! People don't like getting called out on their bullshit, and they prefer to flock with others who protect their delusions (see my avatar, a gift from another offsite Discord community who decided they wanted to be moral police.) Refusing any sort of self-examination by deflecting to the perceived flaws of the person or group you're currently beefing with isn't clear-sighted or healthy behavior. The problem is you.
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