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A lot of the modern ports have OPL2 emulation built in, I remember how it sounds just fine, it's great 
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Lmao if you didn’t have a full in-home Yamaha synth studio just to play DOS games with.
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Mar 9, 2020 22:31
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:Lmao if you didn’t have a full in-home Yamaha synth studio just to play DOS games with. I had a Yamaha SW1000XG card bought in 1999. That thing had the best MIDI instruments I've ever heard out of a PC. I should have held onto it. It was utterly useless for gaming, but very nice for making music. Or listening to cheap web midis, in my case
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Mar 9, 2020 22:50
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When I played Doom for the first time shortly after launch, it was on a PC with a Roland SC-55 hooked up so that's what I will always remember Doom sounding like. The current GZDoom default sound is close enough that I don't feel the need to change it, and that's great.
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Mar 10, 2020 00:30
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oohhboy posted:The SNES version sounds pretty good at the time unless you had very good sound card. Here is a pretty good comparison: Naw, it sounded like it was coming out of a toilet bowl already back then. I remember a friend getting the cart and both of us quickly realizing that the PC version was just better in every respect. 8 year old me didn't yet know how to respect the technical impressiveness of the port. The best version, of course, is the one you heard in 1994. Anything else than the OPL2 just sounds wrong to me. Same with Duke 3D.
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Mar 11, 2020 15:43
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TotalLossBrain posted:I had a Yamaha SW1000XG card bought in 1999. That thing had the best MIDI instruments I've ever heard out of a PC. I should have held onto it. speaking of, this is one of my favorite things: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSwqnR327fk
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Mar 11, 2020 19:13
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barbecue at the folks posted:Naw, it sounded like it was coming out of a toilet bowl already back then. I remember a friend getting the cart and both of us quickly realizing that the PC version was just better in every respect. 8 year old me didn't yet know how to respect the technical impressiveness of the port. Both soundtracks (as well as a lot of game midi soundtracks from that era) are composed with SoundCanvas soundfont in mind and sound fantastic that way, OPL2 does have it's charm though.
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Mar 12, 2020 02:22
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I used to like Central Point PC Tools for DOS. There was also a Windows 3.x version and I don't remember using it all that much, it probably used up too much of my tiny amount of RAM. Anyway I noticed something pretty crappy in it which you can see in this screenshot from http://toastytech.com/guis/cpdesk.html: "File Management" brings up a window where you can pick from a number of different file management applications such as "Copy File" and "Copy Disk" which pop up dialog windows prompting you for which files, etc. to act on. "File Manager" is their version of the usual Windows 3.x tool which lets you browse files and then tell it what to do with them, but it's more advanced and actually lets you right-click on files and pick an action from the pop-up menu instead of having to go to the menu bar. Should we go with the new metaphor of finding the object and then selecting what to do with it, or the old metaphor of starting the program that does the thing you want, then picking the file you want it to act on? I know, why not both, with similar icons and names! I also used XTree for Windows and Norton Desktop for Windows a little. I might try to find a contemporary review to see if I can figure out which was the least dumb. Apparently Central Point bought XTree in 1994, and Symantec bought Central Point in 1995, so by around the time Windows 95 came out and made all three products fairly redundant, they were all owned by one company. I'm kind of surprised that with that kind of business sense Symantec is still around.
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Buttcoin purse posted:Apparently Central Point bought XTree in 1994, and Symantec bought Central Point in 1995, so by around the time Windows 95 came out and made all three products fairly redundant, they were all owned by one company. I'm kind of surprised that with that kind of business sense Symantec is still around. They probably supplied the tools to Microsoft. They definitely supplied the anti-virus in DOS.
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Mar 14, 2020 13:28
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klafbang posted:They probably supplied the tools to Microsoft. They definitely supplied the anti-virus in DOS. MS-DOS 6's new backup was from Norton and antivirus was from Central Point. I think Windows 95 didn't come with antivirus, can't remember if it had backup.
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95 definitely didn't have AV, however there was a MS AV product for Win 3.1 that was based off Norton AV.
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You Am I posted:95 definitely didn't have AV, however there was a MS AV product for Win 3.1 that was based off Norton AV. MS-DOS 6 included Windows versions of its backup and anti-virus products, but they're still from the same companies:  Did they have another one too?
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Mar 16, 2020 08:26
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Lmao at the thought of including antivirus and then just.........never updating it
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Mar 16, 2020 14:33
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:Lmao at the thought of including antivirus and then just.........never updating it It's AntiVirus, not AntiViruses!
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Mar 16, 2020 14:34
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All those antivirus programs from those days let you update the virus definitions, and I don't remember the DOS built-in one being an exception. If I remember later I'll check if that's in those menus. It didn't start your communications program every day and dial your local BBS to check for those updates automatically though!
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Mar 16, 2020 15:16
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Hey as long as it protects against Michelangelo that's all I care about
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Mar 16, 2020 15:20
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Data Graham posted:Hey as long as it protects against Michelangelo that's all I care about Is he the rude but cool one?
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Mar 16, 2020 15:24
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The best part of those early antivirus programs is that they had a little virus encyclopedia that had details about each one it checked for and what they did. Wasted hours looking through that.
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Mar 16, 2020 15:53
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Buttcoin purse posted:All those antivirus programs from those days let you update the virus definitions, and I don't remember the DOS built-in one being an exception. If I remember later I'll check if that's in those menus. Right, I know you COULD update them but so few people had home internet in the 3.1 days and who was gonna go seeking out the update floppies?
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Mar 16, 2020 16:27
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Like all software, dad brought the floppies with updates from work. Much like the infected games in the first place, I guess.
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I got written up at my first job for copying floppies of Norton for my home Win '95 machine. obligatory: https://archive.org/details/malwaremuseum?tab=collection https://archive.org/details/malware_LSD.COM doctorfrog has a new favorite as of 21:09 on Mar 16, 2020 |
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Mar 16, 2020 21:07
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Don't copy, don't copy that floppy.
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Mar 16, 2020 21:22
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Cojawfee posted:Don't copy, don't copy that floppy. Have to include the video... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up863eQKGUI
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Mar 16, 2020 22:33
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Jerry Cotton posted:Is he the rude but cool one? No he's the party dude
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 I couldn't find an option to update the signatures anywhere in the DOS or Windows versions of the program. This KB article makes it sound like you needed to download and run an updater. e: I love that the icon for a hard drive is how hard drives looked back in the days when you put them in a 5.25" bay and they had an LED on the front panel. I got my first hard drive in 1991 and never had a hard drive like that. Buttcoin purse has a new favorite as of 03:43 on Mar 17, 2020 |
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Mar 17, 2020 03:40
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Hard drives were fuckin alien space technology, I would listen to the squeaks and clicks different brands made and it felt like I was listening to the secrets of the universe
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Mar 17, 2020 03:52
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H2SO4 posted:The best part of those early antivirus programs is that they had a little virus encyclopedia that had details about each one it checked for and what they did. Wasted hours looking through that. Had to be a better read than today's virus encyclopedia would be. Imagine a list that endlessly repeats "Steal bank credentials. Make you part of a botnet. Crypto. Botnet, botnet, bank credentials, crypto, bank credentials, botnet botnet botnet. Crypto." Virus writers in the 80's had fun, like the one that made letters fall off the screen and collect in a pile at the bottom.
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rndmnmbr posted:Had to be a better read than today's virus encyclopedia would be. Imagine a list that endlessly repeats "Steal bank credentials. Make you part of a botnet. Crypto. Botnet, botnet, bank credentials, crypto, bank credentials, botnet botnet botnet. Crypto." Virus writers in the 80's had fun, like the one that made letters fall off the screen and collect in a pile at the bottom. I remember having a virus in my WinME machine that would cause my desktop icons to run away from the mouse cursor. It was pretty funny. But it was also a nasty virus so it had to go.
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Mar 17, 2020 05:13
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Data Graham posted:Hard drives were fuckin alien space technology, I would listen to the squeaks and clicks different brands made and it felt like I was listening to the secrets of the universe I had a friend with an old PS/2 in her room, the hard drive made these cute muted chirping noises that I will never hear in this universe ever again.
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Mar 17, 2020 05:45
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So at what point did hard drive noise transition from charming chirps to obnoxious grinding and clicking because that's all I remember
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Mar 17, 2020 06:16
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doctorfrog posted:I had a friend with an old PS/2 in her room, the hard drive made these cute muted chirping noises that I will never hear in this universe ever again. Oh holy poo poo I forgot that. It's probably been about 30 years since I used one. I've wanted to get one for so long, but I just don't like to waste quite that much money on dumb poo poo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbF9cdbiKHM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR_Vdiwb4tE I think that's kind of what I remember 
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Mar 17, 2020 06:32
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It was this one, but of course it's different when it's sealed and inside a case and enhanced with the fog of nostalgia.
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Mar 17, 2020 07:52
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Buttcoin purse posted:
We should go back to the Win 3.11 UI. Nice clean lines, simple and to the point. Maybe it's just nostalgia speaking, but Win95 and on just didn't have the same appeal. I wonder if I can get a good 3.11 theme for KDE... Mak0rz posted:I remember having a virus in my WinME machine that would cause my desktop icons to run away from the mouse cursor. It was pretty funny. I'm pretty sure that was just WinME being WinME. What a goddamn trainwreck.
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Mar 17, 2020 08:59
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I think 95 tried to go too far before what it wanted to do was possible. Trying to get fancy with colors when all that was possible was dithering 16 or 32 colors.
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Mar 17, 2020 09:04
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Nah, even a crap Cirrus Logic 1MB onboard could handle SVGA 800x600 at 256 colors. Images stil didn't look *great* dithered to that but better than 16 colors anyway 
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KozmoNaut posted:We should go back to the Win 3.11 UI. Nice clean lines, simple and to the point. Maybe it's just nostalgia speaking, but Win95 and on just didn't have the same appeal. I might be a sicko but I kind of liked when we started to get 3D effects in Windows 3.x, e.g. in Office:  There were tools you could get to apply that CTL3D.DLL effect to just about every application. I wasn't so much a fan of Borland's attempt:  quote:I wonder if I can get a good 3.11 theme for KDE... Let me know, I'm using QtCurve unsuccessfully customized to try to make it look like Microsoft's early .NET theme (which was winding back the clunkiness of XP, I suppose).
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Mak0rz posted:So at what point did hard drive noise transition from charming chirps to obnoxious grinding and clicking because that's all I remember The fleet of Amstrad 8086s that my high school's drafting class had to run CADKEY on (  ) had the squeaky ones; I think they were from like 1987-88. By the time I got my 386 in 1990-ish, it had switched to clicky grinding
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:Right, I know you COULD update them but so few people had home internet in the 3.1 days and who was gonna go seeking out the update floppies? People had MODEMs and telephone lines. By the time DOS got AV, the former were dirt cheap.
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TotalLossBrain posted:I had a Yamaha SW1000XG card bought in 1999. That thing had the best MIDI instruments I've ever heard out of a PC. I should have held onto it. I still have mine. I wish I had an old PC to test it with. I've been considering selling it. I composed an album in college using the Yamaha DB50XG and I got the 1000XG as an upgrade after a graduated, but soon after I moved on to softsynths. For a little while I tried to use it in conjunction with a more modern PCI sound card but I kept having sync issues and just gave up and pulled it. That said, its a sweet sound set.
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Sweet, new one is out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw0VfmXKq54
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