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Not So Fast posted:The key points seem to be There is only one virus, the genetic differentiation is mostly genetic noise rather than actual substantive change in presentation or w/e since mutations tend to either terminate as they aren't viable or do nothing. Unless it's changed, the research on it think its bat->pangolin->humans so it'd be weird to place it in the US tho not impossible I guess. Also it wasn't a pandemic in Wuhan. That is localized, and they contained it. The pandemic occurred because there was no response for months after the end of Chinese new years from other countries, where millions of folks congregated then flew back all over the world lol. Wishful thinking at its finest. In china, this was before the Chinese national govt stepped in and locked down 40 million people. The symptoms are sufficiently vague to where healthcare systems can not notice a difference until the mountain of bodies is upon them since the lag in becoming infected to requiring hospitalization or self-isolation.
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Mar 14, 2020 12:48
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Homeless Friend posted:There is only one virus, the genetic differentiation is mostly genetic noise rather than actual substantive change in presentation or w/e since mutations tend to either terminate as they aren't viable or do nothing. Unless it's changed, the research on it think its bat->pangolin->humans so it'd be weird to place it in the US tho not impossible I guess. Also it wasn't a pandemic in Wuhan. That is localized, and they contained it. The pandemic occurred because there was no response for months after the end of Chinese new years, where millions of folks congregated then flew back all over the world lol. This was before the Chinese national govt stepped in and locked down 40 million people. The symptoms are sufficiently vague to where healthcare systems can not notice a difference until the mountain of bodies is upon them. The Chinese government also intentionally suppressed doctors who noticed it was similar to SARs and forced them to sign confessions. From genetic code the disease was allowed to spread for almost a whole month (Dec) before there was any sort of response or official warning by the Chinese government.
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Mar 14, 2020 12:50
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etalian posted:The Chinese government also intentionally suppressed doctors who noticed it was similar to SARs and forced them to sign confessions. Ye the fuckup was in the initial month i.e. the doc who died of it/initial whistleblower. It's intensely funny that this see no evil response was basically replicated elsewhere even after everybody knew of the virus. lol
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Mar 14, 2020 12:52
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Govt should have been lurking CDC-SPAM
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Mar 14, 2020 12:53
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Homeless Friend posted:Ye the fuckup was in the initial month i.e. the doc who died of it/initial whistleblower. It's intensely funny that this see no evil response was basically replicated elsewhere even after everybody knew of the virus. lol lmao how the response in asian countries like China and Taiwan (#1) was better than anything in western countries.
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Mar 14, 2020 12:54
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Not So Fast posted:Is there any actual basis for "The US had Coronavirus in September and didn't know, then sent it to Wuhan by mistake"? For this to be true, you'd have to go to caves in the Wuhan region, capture the bats there, isolate the viruses from their GI tract, give the population in China around the caves various versions of the coronaviruses because they have antibodies against them, modify and release to the public in the United States, and then send the infected people straight to one spot in China without spreading it in the US or anywhere else. It's just not realistic. Also this "five viruses" thing, they aren't that different, drift will happen but it's on a relatively small scale.
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Mar 14, 2020 12:56
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etalian posted:lmao how the response in asian countries like China and Taiwan (#1) was better than anything in western countries. Even South Korea who had to deal with a literal doomsday cult trying to spread it seems like they've gotten quite good at getting it controlled
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Mar 14, 2020 12:59
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The virus really can't be a bioweapon from either China or the US. If you follow the lancet first article about the first 41 patients, the first patient didn't exhibit any human-to-human transmission. The virus mutated to become highly transmissible in Wuhan, probably when it got to the animal market.
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Mar 14, 2020 13:02
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gradenko_2000 posted:Even South Korea who had to deal with a literal doomsday cult trying to spread it seems like they've gotten quite good at getting it controlled for European nations probably the funniest are turning out to be UK (faster rate = faster herd immunity) and Netherlands (What me worry?)
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Mar 14, 2020 13:04
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France starting to lock poo poo down but not cancelling/delaying tomorrow's city council elections is also pretty funny. It's alright, the government told people to bring their own pens to sign the voter registry.
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Mar 14, 2020 13:08
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etalian posted:The Chinese government also intentionally suppressed doctors who noticed it was similar to SARs and forced them to sign confessions. I am going to assume with little evidence that posters in this thread are actually posting in good faith so here's a serious response. China has a system of "Administrative detention" which is essentially a step between the American systems of "Drunk tank for 24 hours" and "locked up with formal charges for (sometimes) months or years until you can come up with a huge amount of money for bail, awaiting a trial in a justice system that needs to follow an enormous amount of procedural protections that are good on paper but mostly just means defendants plead guilty to get it over with". In China if you do something lovely but not that lovely like a bar fight causing significant injuries or street racing or some such the police at a certain level beyond prefecture can administratively detain you for up to 2 weeks as a punishment after a summary proceeding. The intention is to avoid situations like the US where the police have no formal powers of prosecution and the only thing anyone can be hit with is a full on prison sentence which would then entail a trial, prosecutors, etc for a relatively minor offense. There's a lot of internal criticism of the system because the summary proceedings are often perfunctory by police departments who are at best not trained determining actual fault or often just plain corrupt, but it's intentionally designed so that the actual sentence is at most just 2 weeks in the local lockup because it is expected that this kind of authority in the hands of local police will result of a lot of abuses or mistakes. Administrative detention is not a criminal matter and does not result in a criminal record, and at the end of the day being locked up for a week in the local police station isn't a massive life changing event for most people even if they do turn out to be innocent or not as guilty or whatever. So in this case, the doctor that first started broadcasting on social media that it was a big problem was administratively detained by the local police for rumor mongering and causing public panic. While that was obviously a mistake, plenty of people do *actually* cause public panic with dumb rumors and the public doesn't really have an issue with them getting detained for a few days, so it's not as if the local authorities reacted particularly unreasonably given what was known at the time and the typical way social order is maintained. Being able to detain people without trial for longer than what is theoretically permissible under most western systems of justice isn't that uncommon in Asian countries, e.g. in Japan the police can detain suspects without charges for up to 23 days, which in theory is a harsher system than the Chinese one that at least requires some formal proceeding if not a full on trial. TL;DR the system of local administrative justice has problems, but Xi Jinping wasn't actually going around putting bullets into the heads of doctors for reasons? like you read in your local sexpat rag.
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Mar 14, 2020 15:40
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:30 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Mar 14, 2020 15:44
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Sick Men of Americans * editorial opinion
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Mar 14, 2020 15:52
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Throatwarbler posted:China has a system of "Administrative detention" This is really informative, thank you! sincx posted:Chinese immigrants in Europe are scrambling to get back to China now, since China is effectively containing the disease and the European countries are not. The Americans, they're not sending their best! And some, I assume, are infected people.
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Mar 14, 2020 15:57
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Homeless Friend posted:Ye the fuckup was in the initial month i.e. the doc who died of it/initial whistleblower. It's intensely funny that this see no evil response was basically replicated elsewhere even after everybody knew of the virus. lol Funny how the worst we can say about China on this issue is that they can effectively solve a problem when they stop ignoring it. Side note; I'm still not sure if the people going down streets spraying disinfectant everywhere actually helps or is just theatrics. Oh well, it's not hurting anything I guess. BrokenGameboy has issued a correction as of 23:04 on Mar 14, 2020 |
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Mar 14, 2020 23:01
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Also, most of the evidence seems to suggest that the “Chinese government” ie Beijing knew about the situation later than Wuhan did, and they were the ones that implemented lockdown measures. It was also only clear in early-mid January that it was in fact a novel infection.
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Mar 14, 2020 23:16
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sincx posted:I still remember the NYT/WSJ (read: State Department proxy) op-eds in January saying this will bring down the CCP and balkanize the PRC lmao. The virgin Trump vs the Chad Pooh Bear response
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Mar 14, 2020 23:48
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etalian posted:lmao how the response in asian countries like China and China (#1) was better than anything in western countries. idgi
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Mar 14, 2020 23:57
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Mar 15, 2020 02:56
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-e7GzbA-Fg
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Mar 15, 2020 22:42
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https://twitter.com/bopanc/status/1239590780542607360
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Mar 16, 2020 18:07
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lmaoing extremely hard reading previous pages of this thread as the swedish government is busy trying to save the markets having given up on containing the coronavirus. the tankies were right all along
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Mar 16, 2020 23:31
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:30 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Mar 17, 2020 00:30
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Remember Hong Kong, lol
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Mar 17, 2020 00:34
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this thread was like the only place on the english language internet calling HK protests a bougie reactionary uprising that meant nothing internationally or even within greater China and it was right got Tsai reelected tho 
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Mar 17, 2020 00:41
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Modest Mao posted:HK protest Feels like you are talking about last decade's news.
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Mar 17, 2020 01:23
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Modest Mao posted:this thread was like the only place on the english language internet calling HK protests a bougie reactionary uprising that meant nothing internationally or even within greater China Getting Tsai re-elected kinda was significant though?
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Mar 17, 2020 05:11
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https://twitter.com/ajitxsingh/status/1239821042589347840?s=19 https://twitter.com/ajitxsingh/status/1239822329737347073?s=19
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Mar 17, 2020 09:06
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poor western media they really wanted coronavirus to be the next ughyur camps on the plus side viruses arent racist but on the negative side viruses arent racist
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Mar 17, 2020 11:57
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Some Guy TT posted:poor western media they really wanted coronavirus to be the next ughyur camps on the plus side viruses arent racist but on the negative side viruses arent racist Malaria and typhoid are racist though. But, not viruses. I guess viruses are woke?
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Mar 17, 2020 14:00
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Throatwarbler posted:at the end of the day being locked up for a week in the local police station isn't a massive life changing event for most people even if they do turn out to be innocent or not as guilty or whatever. In the US, being locked in jail for a week or two absolutely is a massively life changing event, which is why people get so horrified at something like that (though with China's system of social credits, not sure if "not a massive life changing event" applies there either, even if you don't get a criminal record).
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Mar 17, 2020 14:49
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ChipNDip posted:In the US, being locked in jail for a week or two absolutely is a massively life changing event, which is why people get so horrified at something like that (though with China's system of social credits, not sure if "not a massive life changing event" applies there either, even if you don't get a criminal record). Have you heard of the term “background check”?
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Mar 17, 2020 15:44
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Top City Homo posted:Have you heard of the term “background check”? No you see credit rating companies are totally different and much less creepy than social credit because they are controlled by whoever bought the most shares and run for a profit motive. Wait.
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Mar 17, 2020 16:11
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Top City Homo posted:Have you heard of the term “background check”? Two things can in fact both be bad.
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Mar 17, 2020 17:41
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One thing can also be good
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Mar 17, 2020 17:58
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https://twitter.com/Birdyword/status/1239962821732917251
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Mar 17, 2020 18:13
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Modest Mao posted:this thread was like the only place on the english language internet calling HK protests a bougie reactionary uprising that meant nothing internationally or even within greater China
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Mar 18, 2020 03:15
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ChipNDip posted:In the US, being locked in jail for a week or two absolutely is a massively life changing event, which is why people get so horrified at something like that (though with China's system of social credits, not sure if "not a massive life changing event" applies there either, even if you don't get a criminal record). i find it odd how youre acting as if being arbitrarily thrown in jail for a week or two in the united states is an unheard of event and there would be riots in the streets if this were a regular occurence
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Mar 18, 2020 03:44
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Some Guy TT posted:i find it odd how youre acting as if being arbitrarily thrown in jail for a week or two in the united states is an unheard of event and there would be riots in the streets if this were a regular occurence Yeah, the public tends to be pacified when there's some sort of formal charge, or when the prisoner is free to talk to outsiders. If someone vanished for writing an anti-Trump op-ed it would probably cause a fuss. If China's 'administrative detentions' were actually limited to two weeks or less, they would probably be less offensive.
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Mar 18, 2020 05:36
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Some Guy TT posted:poor western media they really wanted coronavirus to be the next ughyur camps on the plus side viruses arent racist but on the negative side viruses arent racist i didn't read this thread since january and i'm getting whiplash from dumbass shitposters making GBS threads on china just a couple pages ago to them completely disappearing from the thread now lmao
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