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baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

organburner posted:

Man I am trying to get back into learning how to play bass and got the hal leonard book out and my fancy metronome, loving rests and eighth notes are absolutely breaking my brain for some reason.

I feel like it takes me a long rear end time to learn just like 2 or 3 bars ): But I guess the only way through is perseverance.

Try tapping out the rhythm separately so you have that pattern in your head, then worry about fitting notes to it. Notation can be tricky at first but it's usually more about interpreting it, once you hear what it sounds like it can be a lot more "oh riiight" and that happens quicker the more you do it

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Preggo My Eggo!
Jun 17, 2010

Death Panel Czar posted:

It’s good. Wish it was a little more “growly” (for lack of a better word) with high gain, but I’m not sure if that’s because the onboard EQ is cheap or because I’m running it with a guitar drive pedal (EQD Palisades). But it’s really nice clean with some compression.

With the stingray, I need to really layer on the distortion to get a growly tone but it's nice and warm when I dial it in.

Amp 1 is a Rumble 25, with an 8" speaker. It receives a 100% clean tone with no EQ, then I use the onboard distortion (which doesn't have any gain or level controls, just on or off) to make it a little warmer. I need to turn the level WAY down or else it dominates the mix.

Amp 2 is a Rumble 40, with a 10" speaker. The signal goes through a SansAmp at ~85% dirty with a lot of drive and presence, which then blends with a mid-biased RAT with the high frequencies completely cut off, going into the amp with the amp-based distortion turned off. Cutting off the high frequencies with the RAT eliminates the persistent static sound that I normally get with higher gain levels, and because I'm blending the signals I preserve the higher frequencies coming from the instrument through the SansAmp.

Amps 1 & 2 have roughly the same perceived volume. I don't have the ability to match their phases, so I just place them a few feet apart and it sounds huge.

In total, there's probably about 5% of the sound going to the amps that's totally clean. The rest is some sort of distortion. The mixture of amp distortion, RAT, and SansAmp really brings out a warmth that I didn't think was possible from a Stingray bridge pickup. For different songs I can adjust the mix and fine-tune how much bite I want.

organburner
Apr 10, 2011

This avatar helped buy Lowtax a new skeleton.

baka kaba posted:

Try tapping out the rhythm separately so you have that pattern in your head, then worry about fitting notes to it. Notation can be tricky at first but it's usually more about interpreting it, once you hear what it sounds like it can be a lot more "oh riiight" and that happens quicker the more you do it

Huh, I've been doing it the other way around, but that makes sense.

The Science Goy
Mar 27, 2007

Where did you learn to drive?


Bergantino NXT112

Unff this cab is killer. So effortless to dial in a good upright tone, and electric has nice warmth but still with stunning clarity.

PoizenJam
Dec 2, 2006

Damn!!!
It's PoizenJam!!!
So I grabbed the Ibanez Affirma 5 I mentioned a while back. Apparently it was used as a prop for a documentary about product design (one of the episodes focused on guitars/bass) so it had virtually never been played after it was strung up and given a basic setup.

Now, the bass is great for the most part, but I do have one specific problem. I tried swapping the strings for Ernie Ball flats, but absolutely could not get the relief of the neck set correctly. In fact, I loosened the truss rod as far as it could go and still had fret buzz on the lower frets, particularly the middle (A) string. The bowing is incredibly minimal even at this setting. Thinking the Ernie Ball strings might be lower tension, I decided to try a set of D'Addario Tapewounds to see if I could get different results. The results are better- the fret buzz has been minimalized, but the bowing is still rather mild with the truss rod loosened the entire way. I can just barely fit a business card under the strings at the 8th fret now. I basically have the truss rod set at 1/4 turn past 'completely loose'.

Are Ibanez strings just extremely high tension or do I have some major problem on my hands?

PoizenJam fucked around with this message at 16:47 on Mar 9, 2020

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Death Panel Czar posted:

It’s good. Wish it was a little more “growly” (for lack of a better word) with high gain, but I’m not sure if that’s because the onboard EQ is cheap or because I’m running it with a guitar drive pedal (EQD Palisades). But it’s really nice clean with some compression.

gently caress with your mids. also get bass pedals and maybe a pre-amp like a Darkglass B7, which I loving adore.

Preggo My Eggo!
Jun 17, 2010

PoizenJam posted:

So I grabbed the Ibanez Affirma 5 I mentioned a while back. Apparently it was used as a prop for a documentary about product design (one of the episodes focused on guitars/bass) so it had virtually never been played after it was strung up and given a basic setup.

Now, the bass is great for the most part, but I do have one specific problem. I tried swapping the strings for Ernie Ball flats, but absolutely could not get the relief of the net set correctly. In fact, I loosened the truss rod as far as it could go and still had fret buzz on the lower frets, particularly the middle (A) string. The bowing is incredibly minimal even at this setting. Thinking the Ernie Ball strings might be lower tension, I decided to try a set of D'Addario Tapewounds to see if I could get different results. The results are better- the fret buzz has been minimalized, but the bowing is still rather mild with the truss rod loosened the entire way. I can just barely fit a business card under the strings at the 8th fret now. I basically have the truss rod set at 1/4 turn past 'completely loose'.

Are Ibanez strings just extremely high tension or do I have some major problem on my hands?

If I was dealing with that I'd probably try grabbing the neck and muscling it around. Push the neck in the direction you think it should go, wiggle it around, and help it overcome whatever tiny forces are keeping it in place.

PoizenJam
Dec 2, 2006

Damn!!!
It's PoizenJam!!!
Oh boy, don't I feel silly. It's a dual-action truss rod. Haven't seen one before, and the spec sheet I originally looked at before buying it neglected to mention that.

What I interpreted as 'completely loose' was just the near-center position I guess. There's plenty of tightening left in the concave direction.

Preggo My Eggo!
Jun 17, 2010
Oh that's interesting. I learned something new about truss rods today!

The Science Goy
Mar 27, 2007

Where did you learn to drive?

Preggo My Eggo! posted:

Oh that's interesting. I learned something new about truss rods today!

Not all trussrods do this. A basic single-action trussrod only pushes against the tension of the strings. Double-action trussrods also have the capability of adding tension towards the strings.

Death Panel Czar
Apr 1, 2012

Too dangerous for a full sensory injection... That level of shitposting means they're almost non-human!

Scarf posted:

What kind of strings are you using?

Also, you could try adjusting the height of the pickup a bit.
Ernie Ball 50-135s. The pickup height doesn't really adjust much from being unscrewed, I think I'd have to put better foam or springs in there at some point.

Jcam
Jan 4, 2009

Yourhead
Cross-posting from the new gear thread because I'm really excited about this.



My order for a new toy came in yesterday finally, spent the evening messing around and falling in love with it. Always impressed with the quality of Darkglass products.

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


a specific vein of lasagna
what bass and amp you using, and what's the rest of your chain? I don't play rock stuff anymore but always like hearing their products.

Jcam
Jan 4, 2009

Yourhead
Right now I'm playing through a Gallien-Krueger MB500 into an old Peavey 4x10 that I picked up for cheap. I'm keeping my eyes peeled for a more exciting cabinet, but since I'm not currently playing with a band I'm not frantic about replacing it. I have a few pedals that I'm constantly swapping around to try and find some sounds I like, so nothing really has a full-time seat on my pedalboard (except for that Microtubes X Ultra now, drat). Prior to getting the X Ultra I was playing some combination/arrangement of Darkglass Alpha-Omega -> EHX Bass Mono-Synth -> EHX Micro POG -> EHX Bass Clone -> BOSS DD-2 Digital Delay -> G&K MB500.

I've just been playing around with some of the cool sound combinations and twiddling my thumbs until I actually need to hammer something down again for an actual group/band. I was going to pick up a compressor to throw in the beginning of the chain but I'm actually pretty impressed with the low-end compression the X Ultra provides, even on the clean signal.

ASenileAnimal
Dec 21, 2017

went with the source audio c4 synth pedal and im really happy with it. i was a bit dissapointed at first because the stock presets all seemed to have the same problem where it would fart out if i played anything on the low e. once i got the neuro app and got a bunch of user created sounds it really started to shine. gonna try messing around with the sound editor once ive had my fill of making cool nintendo sounds.

I drive a BBW
Jun 2, 2008
Fun Shoe
Are there any decent free VST's for bass? For guitar there are some free amp/cab VST's (I use LePou Lecto and LeCab).

Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

Bring me the head of Auguste Escoffier.
SHB-1 from Ignite Amps is pretty good.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Delay pedal for a bass? Wow, what does that sound like.

Jeff Goldblum
Dec 3, 2009

Very textural, more geared towards solos because it muddles the general mix of any song.
Best case example: One of These Days, Pink Floyd

Preggo My Eggo!
Jun 17, 2010
When you combine a delay with a chorus or flanger, it cleans up the tone and makes it a lot less muddy. Justin Chancellor does that a lot, and the delay gives a really nice groove.

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

in dub, all things are possible

creamcorn
Oct 26, 2007

automatic gun for fast, continuous firing

Shageletic posted:

Delay pedal for a bass? Wow, what does that sound like.

can sound great, if your internal time is good (it will punish you heartily if it isn't). ones with adjustable LPFs are good so you can turn it down and preserve more of your lows, a lot of guitar-oriented delays without adjustable filters will chop a big chunk of your fundamental out.

big key to it is note choice, you get less leeway to be chromatic/outside than you normally would because you hear things a few times. chord tones, keep poo poo diatonic.

I drive a BBW
Jun 2, 2008
Fun Shoe

Elissimpark posted:

SHB-1 from Ignite Amps is pretty good.

That's what I ended up getting. Working out pretty good with the Seacow Darkglass 410 IR. I'm not against buying something either if the price is right if anyone has any suggestions.

Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

Bring me the head of Auguste Escoffier.
Neural DSP has models of Darkglass Microtubes BK7 Ultra and Vintage Ultra which have cab sims too. They're $119 USD but you can get a free trial first. Vintage Ultra is pretty cool.

They also have Parallax, which is more of a visual thing, but that has a cab sim that I think lets you bi amp too. Same price and also a trial period. I'm playing around with this at the moment.

They have others too, but I'm slowly working through the trial periods.

Jeff Goldblum
Dec 3, 2009

Any of you guys run your bass through the PA at gigs where you bring your own? Recently put together a cheap little kit with a Yamaha EMX312sc and a pair of passive Carvin 1584s, which are monstrous cabinets with a bi-amp option, vented with tweeter, 8" and I believe 12" speakers. It's been overkill at our smaller gigs, and a lot to carry along with a bass amp and cabinet. But, it got me thinking about the possibility of forgoing the bass cab (essentially the same speaker layout, two 8"s and two 12"s) and running the amp direct into the PA, maybe opting for a smaller cabinet as a monitor.

The only detractor I can think of is that I will need to either cut off some low end, remove a lot of dirt and sub effects or otherwise invest in a bi-amp crossover system. Otherwise I may just have to hold out and see if I can trade with any local establishments that might have a smaller vocal-focused speaker system.

creamcorn
Oct 26, 2007

automatic gun for fast, continuous firing

Jeff Goldblum posted:

Any of you guys run your bass through the PA at gigs where you bring your own? Recently put together a cheap little kit with a Yamaha EMX312sc and a pair of passive Carvin 1584s, which are monstrous cabinets with a bi-amp option, vented with tweeter, 8" and I believe 12" speakers. It's been overkill at our smaller gigs, and a lot to carry along with a bass amp and cabinet. But, it got me thinking about the possibility of forgoing the bass cab (essentially the same speaker layout, two 8"s and two 12"s) and running the amp direct into the PA, maybe opting for a smaller cabinet as a monitor.

The only detractor I can think of is that I will need to either cut off some low end, remove a lot of dirt and sub effects or otherwise invest in a bi-amp crossover system. Otherwise I may just have to hold out and see if I can trade with any local establishments that might have a smaller vocal-focused speaker system.

a lot of places nowadays make me go through the pa, much to my chagrin. it's easiest if you just have a small cab they can mic, i use a 1x12 with a tweeter most of the time. you don't need that much in the way of lows for club gigs, unless you want to annoy the bartender by making all the glasses rattle.

Schwza
Apr 28, 2008
My first 5 string. I've don't think I've put more than ten minutes on five string basses in the 15 years I've played. This week I've probably done 3 hours. Feels good.

Schwza fucked around with this message at 17:10 on Apr 2, 2020

Jcam
Jan 4, 2009

Yourhead
I don't know if there was a better thread for this, but I figured someone here could point me in the right direction. We had a bad fire in my building on Tuesday and although my unit was the "least" affected by the fire since we were on the ground floor, there will still be thousands and thousands of damages and we've lost a lot. However! I'm crossing my fingers I can recover some of my bass equipment, and am looking to see if anyone has any experience recovering or restoring bass guitars or effects pedals that have been gut-punched by water or smoke.

My Dingwall was inside of a case so was just soaked through with water (no soot or embers or whatever), but my Warwick was out on its stand and went for an adventure through the apartment along with my cabinet and amp. Here's a photo of them now, the Warwick's fate is still unsure because of having limited access to the unit and the Dingwall is hanging up in the basement of the new place we're living in now. All of my pedals were on the pedal board, linked together with patch cables and plugged into a power supply, but none of it was plugged into a power source or anything. They were inside of the case that came with my Pedaltrain Classic, so although water got through to them they were spared from all the crap and soot and everything.




tl;dr Looking for advice on how to get musical gear recovered after water/smoke damage.

Jcam fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Apr 4, 2020

Thumposaurus
Jul 24, 2007

You have renters insurance right?

Jcam
Jan 4, 2009

Yourhead
I had renter's insurance but I had the unit so packed with gear, books, and home theatre stuff that it won't cover everything I lost. I know that I'm inviting dogpiling by admitting I wasn't adequately insured but I honestly just didn't update my coverage/policy to cover some of the newer purchases I had made in the last year or so. It's hard enough processing it all right now, and the money we'll be getting is better served going to stuff for my wife and I and not my hobby-stuff (since I haven't gigged in years). I feel like an idiot enough and am just grasping at straws to make a project out of recovering anything I can.

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


a specific vein of lasagna
If it's in your unit and your unit is covered then you shouldn't have much problem with it right? The typical limit is like 100k. Do you have at least photos and an inventory of everything? The Warwick should be especially easy to get covered since you have the photo of it in the aftermath.

EDIT: The fact that you had renters insurance at all shows that you're not a moron.

Bottom Liner fucked around with this message at 00:37 on Apr 5, 2020

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph
That sucks, fingers crossed for the Warwick I am super curious to see if you can save it. making GBS threads on someone who just lost most of their possessions cause they prepared slightly less well for an unpredictable disaster seems like a pretty garbage thing to do imo, not that anyone is doing that yet but

Jcam
Jan 4, 2009

Yourhead
My content's insurance is well shy of the $100k ballpark, so it'll be enough to replace a lot of our important core things but probably not some of the toys and gadgets. I'm just spitballing as that whole process will take a while anyway, the fire started in another unit so after I have a legal battle with the other tenant's insurance I'll probably be made whole but that's down the road quite a bit.

I'm getting some jeweler's tools and some electrical contact cleaner to do a once-over of the inside of the effects pedals in the next day or so, can't even do the submerge-in-rice trick since the big 10kg bag of rice I had was ruined in the water.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Do you do professional-grade instrument restoration? If not, my approach to that Warwick especially would be to give it to a professional for a full teardown because every single component could potentially be damaged/destroyed.

Thumposaurus
Jul 24, 2007

Reach out to Warwick they seem like a pretty cool company they may have some advice or guidance or may well have dealt with something similar before.

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


So, I picked up a Dean Edge 09 Lefty a while back (second hand, and it was under 100 dollars with some lacquer damage, but hey, it's mine), well before this poo poo happened.

I guess I now know what I'm going to do with my free time now. I need something to do with my hands or I'm going to go nuuuuuuuuts.

ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

NGD! Boris, the Squier CV 70's Jazz Bass:



Very punky (in a good way!) as set up, nothing that a few tweaks can't fix. Thinking of swapping in a himass bridge, what effect has that had for other CV70's bassists here?

DrChu
May 14, 2002

Unless the stock bridge has some problem spend the money on different strings first. Might take you a couple sets to find what you like, but that will have much more of an impact on your tone than the bridge.

Hellblazer187
Oct 12, 2003

Ibanez released a 30' scale 5 string recently and I want it. But I'm trying to get out of debt first. By then I'm sure the model will be discontinued. And President Barron Trump will outlaw fun anyways. (it will take me a very long time to get out of debt).

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pumped up for school
Nov 24, 2010

DrChu posted:

Unless the stock bridge has some problem spend the money on different strings first. Might take you a couple sets to find what you like, but that will have much more of an impact on your tone than the bridge.

Yes! In the 90s I went whole-hog with "more expensive / more #s = more betterer" and bought into all the crap you'd see in Bass Player magazine, for example. I didn't have internet. All the other players I knew were the same way. I must've bought 3-4 Leo/Quon bridges. I still have one in original packaging next to an old Bart soapbar I bought for a project bass in 1996. Briefly flirted with "Tone Wood" and a half-dozen (at the time) mid-high-end basses.

Nowadays if I want to try something different, I just dial a knob I'm not used to tweaking up to 10 or if I'm feeling very frisky, change the strings. The other day I changed my strap length. Was crazy.

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