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Riot Carol Danvers
Jul 30, 2004

It's super dumb, but I can't stop myself. This is just kind of how I do things.
As far as I can tell the GOP can't even figure out how to means test the stimulus or how to split it up.

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Bored As Fuck
Jan 1, 2006
Fun Shoe

Mr.AARP posted:

I realize it'd be super-loving-complicated, but is there any mechanism that could be put in place to award large cash payouts to individuals that can demonstrate they are unemployed or underemployed with hours slashed due to this crisis?

As someone with a stable government-funded job, I'd much rather see those who's lives have been upended get $5000 rather than people like myself get $1000 (LOL COMMUNISM)

As it stands, I'll be doing my best to spend my 1000 funbux on local small businesses that are feeling the crunch the hardest.

Same. Everyone who is unemployed, anybody who is struggling because their jobs are in the gig economy, they need the money way more than I do. My job is stable, give the money to out of work waiters, drivers, anyone in the hospitality or restaurant industry. Keep paying them monthly checks. Don't give me any free money. Not gonna lie, I'd certainly like it, but I dont NEED it, unless my girlfriend loses her job. Give it to the loving poor people.

Edir: So how about setting up a system where you show your last year's W2, show what you made last year, and what your profession was.

Woofer
Mar 2, 2020

Looks like we need to have means testing on this stimulus package.

CRUSTY MINGE
Mar 30, 2011

Peggy Hill
Foot Connoisseur

Riot Carol Danvers posted:

As far as I can tell the GOP can't even figure out how to means test the stimulus or how to split it up.

It literally isn't that hard. The IRS has everyones' info if they filed for last year already, or will when they do file. If someone isn't filing because they're on VA or SS funbux, they can send it through those channels. The ones missing would be the unemployed that didn't file for last year, those that are homeless without a recent work history or bank accounts, and they can still cut a check to those people either in person at a SS office or send the money down to state and county level and hand it out to the homeless or routinely unemployed at the door or in an office in the county or city.

There are plenty of easy ways to get the money out to people, they just don't want to give it to people because the average person doesn't give a poo poo who is in office.

PookBear
Nov 1, 2008

reminder:

https://twitter.com/KamalaHarris/st...omplicated.html

Woofer
Mar 2, 2020

You shouldn’t have imaginary hoops to jump through to get out from under the student debt racket.

Nick Soapdish
Apr 27, 2008


2k/every adult and 500 for kids paid through IRS/VA/SSA channels. If you are comfortable, donate to the goon food bank thread or a local charity or w/e

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT

Woofer posted:

You shouldn’t have imaginary hoops to jump through to get out from under the student debt racket.

CRUSTY MINGE
Mar 30, 2011

Peggy Hill
Foot Connoisseur
Paying off student loans through the pell grant seems okay, but eliminating student loan debt across the board could've been done twice over already with all the money Trump&Co have given big businesses the past few weeks. Education should be free for anyone that wants it and can pass testing for it at the level they're pursuing. And if someone wants to test for something they didn't pass prior, send them to community college until they buff up their testing ability.

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

Oh boy, posting!
That's where I'm a Viking!


Woofer posted:

You shouldn’t have imaginary hoops to jump through to get out from under the student debt racket.

LongDarkNight
Oct 25, 2010

It's like watching the collapse of Western civilization in fast forward.
Oven Wrangler
I wish I had spent these years studying the blade.

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT
Just a reminder that the FED burned several billion dollars in a day just to save some billionaires gambling.

I keep saying instead it trying to get millions of Americans dollars for poo poo, just have hundred of businesses unable to collect debts for this time period.

Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006
READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD
its really simple and you dont need a bunch of #bluenomatterwho technocrat dipshits like Liz Warren to do it

you give massive direct payments to people and jump start the economy via demand. bing bong so simple congrats whatever party does this is going to win the next 4 elections.

and thats before you even consider a single progressive policy on how to stop it again.

bird cooch
Jan 19, 2007
Y'all have caught on that Trump says a whole lot of things that never actually happen, right?

To send out that money he's got to get it through Congress. His memorandum on evictions and foreclosures is only for FHA single-family homes. So that doesn't help renters or the wild vast majority of people who have a home.

It's all window dressing.

CRUSTY MINGE
Mar 30, 2011

Peggy Hill
Foot Connoisseur
Oh, haven't you heard, friend? Corporations are people too.


Trump's been pumping this handout primer for the markets all week. It feels entirely like bullshit, like his wall or the trade war. That's why I keep saying any Trump bux I get are going to weed and weed growing accessories. Because it's not going to happen.

CRUSTY MINGE fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Mar 18, 2020

Woofer
Mar 2, 2020

Wasabi the J posted:

Just a reminder that the FED burned several billion dollars in a day just to save some billionaires gambling.

I keep saying instead it trying to get millions of Americans dollars for poo poo, just have hundred of businesses unable to collect debts for this time period.

Isn’t it like $2.2 trillion in “loans” total that they’ve dumped?

If you can collectively pay back $2.2 trillion then we can collectively take care of everyone on this goddamn rock.

PookBear
Nov 1, 2008

bird cooch posted:

Y'all have caught on that Trump says a whole lot of things that never actually happen, right?

To send out that money he's got to get it through Congress. His memorandum on evictions and foreclosures is only for FHA single-family homes. So that doesn't help renters or the wild vast majority of people who have a home.

It's all window dressing.

yes we loving know that but it says a lot about dems that the republicans are giving lip service to programs (that they will never actually impliment) that are far to the left of the dipshit means tested tax credits that dems are offering

CRUSTY MINGE
Mar 30, 2011

Peggy Hill
Foot Connoisseur
Remember, Bush gave out money twice. In 2001 for $300 and 2008 for $600.

Conveniently, I was audited both years and wound up paying more back than they gave out in funbux. But it has happened.


Anyone else having lag on the awful app? It's loading slow and has died twice on my phone already. Lol. Lowtax is gonna need a corporate level bailout for the bandwidth bills.

CRUSTY MINGE fucked around with this message at 21:27 on Mar 18, 2020

Stravag
Jun 7, 2009

Here's something else terrifying we should all be aware of

https://twitter.com/TikiToucan/status/1239846477859610624?s=19

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

CRUSTY MINGE posted:

Remember, Bush gave out money twice. In 2001 for $300 and 2008 for $600.

Conveniently, I was audited both years and wound up paying more back than they gave out in funbux. But it has happened.


Anyone else having lag on the awful app? It's loading slow and has died twice on my phone already. Lol. Lowtax is gonna need a corporate level bailout for the bandwidth bills.

Someone mentioned this and it might have been an advance on their tax refund?

Zamujasa
Oct 27, 2010



Bread Liar

bird cooch posted:

Y'all have caught on that Trump says a whole lot of things that never actually happen, right?

as opposed to the democrats, who don't even bother pretending to give a poo poo :jerkbag:


Mr.AARP posted:

I realize it'd be super-loving-complicated, but is there any mechanism that could be put in place to award large cash payouts to individuals that can demonstrate they are unemployed or underemployed with hours slashed due to this crisis?

As someone with a stable government-funded job, I'd much rather see those who's lives have been upended get $5000 rather than people like myself get $1000 (LOL COMMUNISM)

As it stands, I'll be doing my best to spend my 1000 funbux on local small businesses that are feeling the crunch the hardest.

it'd be a lot more work and could potentially exclude people. just give everyone $250 in food stamps and $750 in cash or whatever

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

Zamujasa posted:

not having the presidency didn't stop the republicans repeatedly putting out votes to repeal the ACA even if they didn't pass

so it should be with the dems. the argument should be "trumps stimulus isnt enough and we need more social safety poo poo" and not "well, how can we water this down to total loving uselessness (which still won't pass)". get out there and at least look like you're fuckin tryin, Ds

OK dude who literally toxxed he'd assist Trump's reelection.

CRUSTY MINGE
Mar 30, 2011

Peggy Hill
Foot Connoisseur

Milo and POTUS posted:

Someone mentioned this and it might have been an advance on their tax refund?

No, the Bush stimulus checks were just checks, not advances.

I've actually been audited several times because my father is a goddamn idiot that used my name/info for pyramid schemes he had gotten into around those times. I don't know or remember most of the details, but it's one very good reason to never speak to him again. Of many, I assure you.

Radical 90s Wizard
Aug 5, 2008

~SS-18 burning bright,
Bathe me in your cleansing light~
Is dnd leaking again or what

Zamujasa
Oct 27, 2010



Bread Liar

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

OK dude who literally toxxed they'd assist Trump's reelection.

i'm voting for the presidential candidate who most aligns with my values in november, and neither joe nor trump will be that person

"vote blue no matter who" :jerkbag:

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

Zamujasa posted:

i'm voting for the presidential candidate who most aligns with my values in november, and neither joe nor trump will be that person

"vote blue no matter who" :jerkbag:

Nobody cares what you masturbate to.

Woofer
Mar 2, 2020

Zamujasa posted:

i'm voting for the presidential candidate who most aligns with my values in november, and neither joe nor trump will be that person

"vote blue no matter who" :jerkbag:

I am also voting for donald trump.

Prop Wash
Jun 12, 2010



Good that the veterans forum is now a cadet branch of CSPAM, maybe now we can become nobles!

CRUSTY MINGE
Mar 30, 2011

Peggy Hill
Foot Connoisseur
There's just a big cspam/gip crossover.

I started lurking there because of the john brown gun thread and stayed for the economic disasterpiece continuation that's been shunted around from gbs to cspam the past decade. I don't even lurk the picture threads anymore.

Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006
READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD
The party that kept telling the left to get lost and that they didn't need them is sure getting the vapors because they might not get the left's help. Don't worry I'm sure all those moderate Republicans Joe loves will come through.

Radical 90s Wizard
Aug 5, 2008

~SS-18 burning bright,
Bathe me in your cleansing light~
So what is happening re covid in India and Russia? It seems completely unbelievable that they've avoided it, but so far I haven't really heard much mention of them.

CRUSTY MINGE
Mar 30, 2011

Peggy Hill
Foot Connoisseur
Probably a lack of testing in both places, just like here

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


Radical 90s Wizard posted:

So what is happening re covid in India and Russia? It seems completely unbelievable that they've avoided it, but so far I haven't really heard much mention of them.

My guess is Russian would never tell the truth plus severe crack downs and India couldnt tell the difference until it really gets hold.

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

Proud Christian Mom posted:

The party that kept telling the left to get lost and that they didn't need them is sure getting the vapors because they might not get the left's help. Don't worry I'm sure all those moderate Republicans Joe loves will come through.

If you're not going to vote for anything short of Full Communism Now, nobody gives a poo poo about you.

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005

Radical 90s Wizard posted:

So what is happening re covid in India and Russia? It seems completely unbelievable that they've avoided it, but so far I haven't really heard much mention of them.

Denialism.

https://m.timesofindia.com/india/these-diseases-kill-many-more-than-coronavirus/articleshow/74670863.cms

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?
Nothing to see here citizen

Reverence
Nov 1, 2009

Woofer posted:

You shouldn’t have imaginary hoops to jump through to get corona virus relief.

Eej
Jun 17, 2007

HEAVYARMS
https://twitter.com/ericbradner/status/1240363525027123201

https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1240392566996156416

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

Zamujasa posted:

i'm voting for the presidential candidate who most aligns with my values in november, and neither joe nor trump will be that person

"vote blue no matter who" :jerkbag:

And because we have FPTP elections, that means you're effectively voting for Trump.

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That Works
Jul 22, 2006

Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy


Mr.AARP posted:

I realize it'd be super-loving-complicated, but is there any mechanism that could be put in place to award large cash payouts to individuals that can demonstrate they are unemployed or underemployed with hours slashed due to this crisis?

As someone with a stable government-funded job, I'd much rather see those who's lives have been upended get $5000 rather than people like myself get $1000 (LOL COMMUNISM)

As it stands, I'll be doing my best to spend my 1000 funbux on local small businesses that are feeling the crunch the hardest.

I got family that work in the theater and food service industries respectively. Wife and I are DINK with a fixed income for a while, probably can ride this out unless great depression level poo poo. If we get funbux we're just gonna sign it directly over to the other family I'm sure.

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