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java
May 7, 2005

skipdogg posted:

Not sure how it'll affect their stock to be honest. We're at the end of the model years, and it's not uncommon for plants to shut down around this time each year for a product change or update.

Inventory levels should be fine short to med term.

I'm more concerned about their financing arms. Auto lenders have been giving out loans like candy, and extended unemployment could hit them really hard.

If F makes it back down to 2, I'll think about picking some up.

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leper khan
Dec 28, 2010
Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.
Sold my Wynn puts this morning. I was getting antsy since it had grown so much it accounted for more than half my portfolio. Feels weird having single position gains bigger than a years salary, but it's hard to complain about. At least until tax season next year.

Got some april SPY calls and some ZM calls expiring Friday to gamble with over tomorrow's open.

Probably going to bail on my DIS puts in a week or two, which would secure most of my remaining funds. Feels a lot harder to have confidence in new positions now that they're so much more expensive to buy into.

Lote
Aug 5, 2001

Place your bets

leper khan posted:

Sold my Wynn puts this morning. I was getting antsy since it had grown so much it accounted for more than half my portfolio. Feels weird having single position gains bigger than a years salary, but it's hard to complain about. At least until tax season next year.

This is just good money management. Plus, I believe China will soon lift restrictions for mainlanders and Macao which would basically preserve WYNN, LVS, and MGM stock prices.

pixaal
Jan 8, 2004

All ice cream is now for all beings, no matter how many legs.


leper khan posted:

portfolio. Feels weird having single position gains bigger than a years salary, but it's hard to complain about. At least until tax season next year.


Don't you have to pay quarterly taxes if you are suddenly bringing in a lot more than last year? Or is that still way under that in gains?

BlackMK4
Aug 23, 2006

wat.
Megamarm

pixaal posted:

Don't you have to pay quarterly taxes if you are suddenly bringing in a lot more than last year? Or is that still way under that in gains?

Wat? That is for self employed people

BlackMK4 fucked around with this message at 00:08 on Mar 19, 2020

leper khan
Dec 28, 2010
Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.

pixaal posted:

Don't you have to pay quarterly taxes if you are suddenly bringing in a lot more than last year? Or is that still way under that in gains?

I haven't yet talked to a tax professional, but I added that to my list about two weeks ago. My girlfriend has CPA's in her family I'm planning on getting a referral from.

But, yes; probably. I'm pretty sure this bumped me by at least one tax bracket.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007


quote:

One of Keevil and Schmidt's studies from 2015 did the math: The cost of treating an HAI ranges from $28,400 to $33,800 per patient. Installing copper on 10 percent of surfaces cost $52,000 and prevented 14 infections over the course of the 338-day study. If you take the lower end of the HAI treatment cost ($28,400), then those 14 prevented infections saved a total of $397,600, or $1,176 a day.

LOL it's because that $28k to $33k is paid for by the patient or their insurer, while that $52k is paid for by the hospital. Try billing an insurance company for "didn't get the patient infected", see how that goes.

Agronox
Feb 4, 2005

BlackMK4 posted:

Wat? That is for self employed people

No, he’s right. IIRC if you end up owing taxes in 2018, say, you need to send in quarterly payments if you expect it to happen again in 2019. Think, like, if you have a normal job but also hold something that throws off a lot of dividends or interest income every quarter.

Basically they really don’t like it if you have to owe the IRS money two years in a row.

GoGoGadgetChris
Mar 18, 2010

i powder a
granite monument
in a soundless flash

showering the grass
with molten drops of
its gold inlay

sending smoking
chips of stone
skipping into the fog
Yeah I have to do quarterly payments because ~4 years ago I owed the IRS too much and now they make me

Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009


I assume the thesis is that if we have buying into the close, we gap down at the open and the opposite if we have selling into the close. It's hard to tell with the earlier days in the graph, but it wasn't true on 2/27, 2/28, 3/2.

Since the volatility has started, a down day has been followed by an up day except for 3/6 and 3/12. So I'd argue the predictive power is comparable, though it does require you to hold to the following day's close.

I wonder how many of those up/down opens results in an opposite down/up close. My guess would be almost none.

The Goldman chart is probably more appropriate for the swing trading I've been doing.

Josh Lyman fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Mar 18, 2020

Agronox
Feb 4, 2005

Think I’ll probably close out my short position, or at least significantly trim it, before the weekend. Have a feeling the PDCF coming online (Friday apparently) is going to take a bit of the panic off and give the market a breather.

saintonan
Dec 7, 2009

Fields of glory shine eternal

The obvious thing from the sawtooth graph is that the up-day recoveries are a lower magnitude than the down-day selloffs. That tells me I'm fine hanging onto my puts even through up days until that trend reverses.

BlackMK4
Aug 23, 2006

wat.
Megamarm

Agronox posted:

No, he’s right. IIRC if you end up owing taxes in 2018, say, you need to send in quarterly payments if you expect it to happen again in 2019. Think, like, if you have a normal job but also hold something that throws off a lot of dividends or interest income every quarter.

Basically they really don’t like it if you have to owe the IRS money two years in a row.

TIL, it has only happened to me once. This is good to know.

Goobish
May 31, 2011

I'm very new to this and have just been playing around. Is this a foolish time to be learning? I figured I learn best just by jumping in. But maybe I jumped into lava. I know everything is insane but like risk. I bought one of those core portfolios from e-trader. Im messing around on Webull as well. Should I wait this poo poo out or is it smart to be buying so low even though I'm unfamiliar? I get the concept I'm just not familiar with what I should be buying besides mutual funds. I want more risk but don't want to be stupid.

Lote
Aug 5, 2001

Place your bets
Today was a loving wild day in the stock market for casino stocks. I went all in on casino short positions yesterday afternoon across the board for small cap casinos with the intention of thinking about covering when they had dropped 50% thinking that this would be in 2-3 weeks. That instead happened at noon today for basically all of my positions, so I covered half. Then, $RRR bounced $1.50 from a low of and $2.75 and I started expanding the position again. I also reopened that short on Tesla because they're about to get shut down by the sheriff. They may run out of cash in the next two months.

Dwight Eisenhower
Jan 24, 2006

Indeed, I think that people want peace so much that one of these days governments had better get out of the way and let them have it.

Josh Lyman posted:

I assume the thesis is that if we have buying into the close, we gap down at the open and the opposite if we have selling into the close. It's hard to tell with the earlier days in the graph, but it wasn't true on 2/27, 2/28, 3/2.

Since the volatility has started, a down day has been followed by an up day except for 3/6 and 3/12. So I'd argue the predictive power is comparable, though it does require you to hold to the following day's close.

I wonder how many of those up/down opens results in an opposite down/up close. My guess would be almost none.

The Goldman chart is probably more appropriate for the swing trading I've been doing.



I don't know how to finger it works, but it held 3/17 -> 318 too: 3:30pm -> 4:00pm 3/17: 2476.15 -> 2528.47, 4:00pm 3/17 - > 10:00am 3/18: 2528.47 -> 2422.28

There's an adage about "Don't trade what you think, trade what you see." I can play a few percent of my cash on this if 3/18 -> 3/19 continues the trend.

Oscar Wild
Apr 11, 2006

It's good to be a G

Lote posted:

Today was a loving wild day in the stock market for casino stocks. I went all in on casino short positions yesterday afternoon across the board for small cap casinos with the intention of thinking about covering when they had dropped 50% thinking that this would be in 2-3 weeks. That instead happened at noon today for basically all of my positions, so I covered half. Then, $RRR bounced $1.50 from a low of and $2.75 and I started expanding the position again. I also reopened that short on Tesla because they're about to get shut down by the sheriff. They may run out of cash in the next two months.

Nice av.

Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009


Dwight Eisenhower posted:

I don't know how to finger it works, but it held 3/17 -> 318 too: 3:30pm -> 4:00pm 3/17: 2476.15 -> 2528.47, 4:00pm 3/17 - > 10:00am 3/18: 2528.47 -> 2422.28

There's an adage about "Don't trade what you think, trade what you see." I can play a few percent of my cash on this if 3/18 -> 3/19 continues the trend.
So I checked and starting with 2/27, every up/down open has resulted in a corresponding up/down day. So tomorrow will be the first test of Goldman's chart saying down open vs the S&P chart saying up day.

Of course, then you have exogenous events like the ECB just announced 750 Euro stimulus about 20 min ago which caused futures to gain 2.5%, though we're off those highs.

Sepist
Dec 26, 2005

FUCK BITCHES, ROUTE PACKETS

Gravy Boat 2k
Normally when fun things like that are discovered the jig is up immediately. Of course I am saying this holding calls.

fougera
Apr 5, 2009
How do I approximate how much premium will be left at certain points in time ahead of maturity? For example if I’m looking at SBUX and think there’s 25% downside, how much will a Jan 21 expiry be worth if it hits it in June?

Ulio
Feb 17, 2011


Lote posted:

thinking that this would be in 2-3 weeks. That instead happened at noon today for basically all of my positions, so I covered half.

This has been happening for the whole month basically which is why I been just rerolling puts nonstop.

Sepist
Dec 26, 2005

FUCK BITCHES, ROUTE PACKETS

Gravy Boat 2k

fougera posted:

How do I approximate how much premium will be left at certain points in time ahead of maturity? For example if I’m looking at SBUX and think there’s 25% downside, how much will a Jan 21 expiry be worth if it hits it in June?

https://www.optionsprofitcalculator.com/

Jack Daniels
Nov 14, 2002

after hours poppin a bit due to this

https://twitter.com/CNBCnow/status/1240412058136588288

FreelanceSocialist
Nov 19, 2002
Hmmm. That might screw with my puts a little bit, but I do have SPY 234 for Friday and 239 for 3/27. Might be a good opportunity to get rid of those tomorrow.

pixaal
Jan 8, 2004

All ice cream is now for all beings, no matter how many legs.


FreelanceSocialist posted:

Hmmm. That might screw with my puts a little bit, but I do have SPY 234 for Friday and 239 for 3/27. Might be a good opportunity to get rid of those tomorrow.

Are you expecting Trump to follow? That's Europe and SPY is US only isn't it?

Moatman
Mar 21, 2014

Because the goof is all mine.
A “US stock” just means that their headquarters is in the US. And sometimes not even that. It’s not like Ford doesn’t sell cars in the UK or Germans don’t buy iphones.

FreelanceSocialist
Nov 19, 2002
I don't expect Trump to do anything remotely that useful, but rising tide and boats and all that thanks to how globalized finance has become. I think that we're going to see some upwards momentum tomorrow and that will likely add to it. I picked up the calls pretty much at the bottom today so it wouldn't take much to turn a small profit on them. I plan on moving the 3/20 call tomorrow and probably holding the 3/27 to see if we get a pump on Friday.

Wifi Toilet
Oct 1, 2004

Toilet Rascal
Grabbed a bunch of Boeing at $98.

Announce 👏 the 👏 bailout 👏 you 👏 orange 👏 gently caress!

e: VV That's why it's called gambling baby! They can close the casinos, but we'll still get our fix somehow.

Wifi Toilet fucked around with this message at 01:07 on Mar 19, 2020

pmchem
Jan 22, 2010


Wifi Toilet posted:

Grabbed a bunch of Boeing at $98.

Announce 👏 the 👏 bailout 👏 you 👏 orange 👏 gently caress!

Remember uh, what happened to GM shareholders in 2008? That may be the Boeing bailout. Do we think it just gets a loan?

Freezer
Apr 20, 2001

The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.
So as someone who is just getting to know about options trading (I haven't done it), who's usually holding the other side of the bet in all of these puts and calls? Who is ultimately losing money when someone makes 2x his yearly salary on a casino stock put?

Oscar Wild
Apr 11, 2006

It's good to be a G

Freezer posted:

So as someone who is just getting to know about options trading (I haven't done it), who's usually holding the other side of the bet in all of these puts and calls? Who is ultimately losing money when someone makes 2x his yearly salary on a casino stock put?

The person who "wrote" the option contract. They got a premium for that. Too bad about their 100 shares but they took the risk and the premium. Don't feel bad for them.

Sepist
Dec 26, 2005

FUCK BITCHES, ROUTE PACKETS

Gravy Boat 2k
Normally market makers are providing liquidity in the options market. And they're not really losing money, they're always hedged

Freezer
Apr 20, 2001

The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

Sepist posted:

Normally market makers are providing liquidity in the options market. And they're not really losing money, they're always hedged

Okay, but someone else clearly must be losing money then.

Sepist
Dec 26, 2005

FUCK BITCHES, ROUTE PACKETS

Gravy Boat 2k

Freezer posted:

Okay, but someone else clearly must be losing money then.

Usually the guy buying the option lol

TheKevman
Dec 13, 2003
I thought Mad Max: Fury Road was
:mediocre:
so you should probably ignore anything else I say

This is purely anecdotal but some info about my situation in SF, if anyone is interested as it may pertain to timelines for investment ideas.

SF is essentially shut down until April 7th as per the shelter in place order. I've been thinking it's going to be longer than this since before it was announced, and today our hotel officially shut down with the CEO telling us that the plan is to reopen on April 30th, a full 3 weeks past the order.


This makes sense, stretching it out to 6 weeks which would seem to be much more effective. I think SF is going to eventually announce this extension, as I think the US will inevitably extend that initial 15 day measure as well.

We're a hotel, so ramp up time etc is in order, but we also have a rooftop bar that is one of the prime nightclubs in the city and up until recently was being kept open because we were still at max quotas i.e. 100 people at a time. Im not kidding, we were open Monday night until 11pm and the shutdown was scheduled for 1201a. You'd think they would want to get this thing open as fast as humanly possible because we absolutely print money, so I think they might know a little more about an extension of the SIP than we do.

This is only our company so far, but I'd have to imagine that the SIP extensions are almost assuredly going forward, and we're continuing the incrementalism so as not to stoke all out fear.

Moatman
Mar 21, 2014

Because the goof is all mine.

Lote posted:

In times of stability it makes a bunch of money

Today took me to +16% YoY

If I hadn’t had shorted Tesla I would be at +150%

I mean, I get why people do it in general. I don't get why people were talking about doing it today.

saintonan
Dec 7, 2009

Fields of glory shine eternal

Futures are pointing at a strongly negative opening. We'll see if that lasts through the night.

java
May 7, 2005

Not gonna lie, kinda want to start a pool for what the bottom for SPY actually is.

Baddog
May 12, 2001

java posted:

Not gonna lie, kinda want to start a pool for what the bottom for SPY actually is.

Our pool is how many spy puts you bought and how long you hold em for.

Italy has fourth day of nearly flat new cases. If we can pull off something similar to their quarantine, might be light at the end of the tunnel. Could start easing up this hedge depending on the action tomorrow.

Feels like the unemployment numbers are gonna shock the poo poo out of everyone though.

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Omerta
Feb 19, 2007

I thought short arms were good for benching :smith:

Baddog posted:

Feels like the unemployment numbers are gonna shock the poo poo out of everyone though.

I am a labor and employment attorney at a very large law firm. Everything I’m seeing is carnage.

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