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You spend a lot of time posting about a series you've claimed to be done with.
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Mar 9, 2020 19:13
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biracial bear for uncut posted:It should at least be consistent with the 'rules' it put forward so far, but who am I kidding, we just got a short story where Morgan gave a poo poo about Harry because of a promise he made to Harry's mom, even though literally everything up to that point showed Morgan would as soon decapitate Harry's mom as look at her, he wouldn't promise her a loving thing. If magic is tied at a fundamental level to belief, and breaking a promise undermines the power of a magical being, did this cause Morgan to lose magical power?
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Mar 9, 2020 20:11
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Ornamented Death posted:You spend a lot of time posting about a series you've claimed to be done with. I also spend a lot of time posting about Verus, The Laundry Files, Rivers of London, etc. Also I'm not convinced the author himself isn't also done with the series, given how he's started making GBS threads all over it since Changes. NerdyMcNerdNerd posted:If magic is tied at a fundamental level to belief, and breaking a promise undermines the power of a magical being, did this cause Morgan to lose magical power? It would certainly explain the dip in ability between "that time he fought his way to the Red Court's King and forced him to flee the battlefield" and "unable to give a poser like Binder the slip". But it would still be stupid.
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Mar 9, 2020 20:31
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biracial bear for uncut posted:It would certainly explain the dip in ability between "that time he fought his way to the Red Court's King and forced him to flee the battlefield" and "unable to give a poser like Binder the slip". But it would still be stupid. To be fair, that was actually explained in the book and was a very Morgan blindspot that led to a funny moment between him and Harry. It's even demonstrated in other books that Morgan, while smart, isn't a particularly duplicitous thinker. Like when he tries to goad Harry at Merlin's command, he's bad at it. Letter's still dumb tho
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Mar 9, 2020 21:10
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biracial bear for uncut posted:If Murphy is anywhere to be seen outside of physical therapy in Peace Talks I'll call bullshit because she doesn't have magical healing abilities. Presumably there's plenty of other people/artifacts/places/etc. who do. I'm fine with a Murphy got better because [insert deal/power/complication that causes problems AKA story]. biracial bear for uncut posted:It should at least be consistent with the 'rules' it put forward so far, but who am I kidding, we just got a short story where Morgan gave a poo poo about Harry because of a promise he made to Harry's mom, even though literally everything up to that point showed Morgan would as soon decapitate Harry's mom as look at her, he wouldn't promise her a loving thing. He'd presumably promise to decapitate her. gently caress it, it's Dresden Files. Butcher's style seems to be stuff everything into a big-rear end idea cannon, fire it at a wall and see what sticks. And it's been pretty entertaining so far even with the Molly Tits crap.
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Mar 9, 2020 21:56
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Everyone posted:Presumably there's plenty of other people/artifacts/places/etc. who do. I'm fine with a Murphy got better because [insert deal/power/complication that causes problems AKA story]. Honestly the “blow everything up and then use the remains to build another bomb” approach is the best part of the series.
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Mar 9, 2020 22:00
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Binged the King's Watch series to date last week, including short stories. Mina gets a swastika tattoo made with boiling blue ink, which wouldn't be so bad if the author didn't use it to signpost her narration. With the offensive orientation (albeit not at a 45-degree tilt). Chris Kelly's wife did a double-suicide with one of her patients due to terminal cancer and jumped bodies. Her patient was a 14yo girl at the time. He marries her (again) when she hits 16 in the new body. Conrad and Mina are chill about this once it all comes out. I'm afraid I missed the references to Islamic magic and PC culture. (Later novels go with "Let's not talk about Brexit" when it comes up.)
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Mar 9, 2020 23:11
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Yeah I don’t get that read. There’s a line where Conrad explicitly says “don’t worry I’m not a Tory”, he is consistently portrayed as caring about immigrants and service staff and is frequently especially in later books thrown in contrast with very rich people. The weirdness is that the author seems like the kind of guy who reads wiki articles about other cultures and tries to sprinkle in little signifiers that actually he’s totally cool and gets these other cultures, like having Conrad say poo poo in Yiddish to Hannah or the entire Mina character.
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Mar 11, 2020 15:51
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"I did like him. But would I have ever have slept with him, if we hadn't been naked in the woods and smelling like wolves?" - Kitty Norville, from Kitty Takes A Holiday reading urban fantasy is SUCH a trip
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Mar 15, 2020 22:39
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StrixNebulosa posted:"I did like him. But would I have ever have slept with him, if we hadn't been naked in the woods and smelling like wolves?" - Kitty Norville, from Kitty Takes A Holiday Pretty much the storyline for the werewolves Dresden hangs out with, TBH.
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Mar 16, 2020 11:08
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biracial bear for uncut posted:Pretty much the storyline for the werewolves Dresden hangs out with, TBH. I...must have missed a few books.
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Mar 16, 2020 16:18
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docbeard posted:I...must have missed a few books. There was at least one side-story about them being creepy-sexual around Dresden, and one scene in the main books where Will and Georgia start boning in the woods on Demonreach while the White Court Vamps are projecting weaponized rape vibes at each other.
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Mar 16, 2020 16:36
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 "Read the Dresden Files, they said. It's the best uf out there, they said"
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Mar 16, 2020 16:37
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StrixNebulosa posted:
It is among the best out there. The problem is the bar for the best has been buried several meters underground.
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Mar 16, 2020 18:01
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Don't forget the short story about the two werewolves who picked up a magical STD from loving each other in wolf form!
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Mar 16, 2020 18:03
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Cythereal posted:Don't forget the short story about the two werewolves who picked up a magical STD from loving each other in wolf form! That's the one I'm talking about.
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Mar 16, 2020 18:12
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Has this thread talked much about Charles de Lint? It's hard to find stuff in between all the Dresden Files chat. Anyway, I read a ton of his work in the mid-90s starting with Jack of Kinrowan, and I really enjoyed the intersection of Irish and First Nations mythology. Has he written much since the early 2ks, and is it worthwhile?
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Mar 16, 2020 19:20
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biracial bear for uncut posted:There was at least one side-story about them being creepy-sexual around Dresden, and one scene in the main books where Will and Georgia start boning in the woods on Demonreach while the White Court Vamps are projecting weaponized rape vibes at each other. To be fair, that's because they were drunk on blood. My avatar makes me uniquely qualified to discuss the subject of dog-on-dog-boinking.
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Mar 17, 2020 03:57
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The worst wolf boinking I read was the unexpected scene from The Magicians... and then it got one-upped by sequel
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Mar 17, 2020 06:09
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Xtanstic posted:The worst wolf boinking I read was the unexpected scene from The Magicians... and then it got one-upped by sequel It's even worse than the FBI-werewolf gangbang while eating somebody in Fool Moon?
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Mar 17, 2020 10:46
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Xtanstic posted:The worst wolf boinking I read was the unexpected scene from The Magicians... and then it got one-upped by sequel They weren't wolves, they were foxes  
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Mar 17, 2020 10:58
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I will say this about Kitty: despite her wild werewolf sex, it was all fade to black, written with zero details, and the story pretty quickly got back to "we're alone in a cabin and there are Things In The Woods, and someone buried barbed wire crosses in a circle around the cabin" Which is to say I'm really digging it. Kitty is a weird series with weird pacing, but I don't have to sit through sex scenes and instead it'll give me creepy stuff instead.
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Mar 17, 2020 11:40
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biracial bear for uncut posted:There was at least one side-story about them being creepy-sexual around Dresden, and one scene in the main books where Will and Georgia start boning in the woods on Demonreach while the White Court Vamps are projecting weaponized rape vibes at each other. True.on the other hand, they still come off as basically normal people who have learned this one really good magic trick. They don't project that weird, awful, "I am your Alpha Soulmate, let me rape my way into your heart."
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Mar 17, 2020 19:38
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biracial bear for uncut posted:It's even worse than the FBI-werewolf gangbang while eating somebody in Fool Moon? it features foxes gang-raping one of the protagonists
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Mar 17, 2020 19:42
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Everyone posted:True.on the other hand, they still come off as basically normal people who have learned this one really good magic trick. They don't project that weird, awful, "I am your Alpha Soulmate, let me rape my way into your heart." I remember that being a fun point of Fool Moon. The book has a whole lot of different kinds of werewolves: Biological humans with the souls of beasts. Humans who have learned a single spell to transform into wolves and back. Wolves (well, just one) who has learned a single spell to transform into a human and back. Humans with enchanted items that let them turn into wolves and back but drive them insane. A guy with an inherited family curse that turns him into an unstoppable man-wolf monster at the full moon and can only be harmed by inherited silver.
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Mar 17, 2020 21:29
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I might be misremembering but aren't most of the gross sex things in Dresden also hidden by scene changes or finding the people after the fact?
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Mar 17, 2020 21:36
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M_Gargantua posted:I might be misremembering but aren't most of the gross sex things in Dresden also hidden by scene changes or finding the people after the fact? no woman is safe from dresdens gaze
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Mar 18, 2020 02:29
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Read the new Mercy Thompson book, Smoke Bitten, that was released today (well, last night). Good as always.
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Mar 18, 2020 04:38
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M_Gargantua posted:I might be misremembering but aren't most of the gross sex things in Dresden also hidden by scene changes or finding the people after the fact? Some of them are but there is more screen time devoted to Harry thinking about a character's nipples than there is to some major characters.
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Mar 18, 2020 04:42
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Wizchine posted:Read the new Mercy Thompson book, Smoke Bitten, that was released today (well, last night). Good as always. Ah, sweet! I should finish up Kitty and get back to reading Mercy... drat, there's so much good UF.
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Mar 18, 2020 05:01
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M_Gargantua posted:I might be misremembering but aren't most of the gross sex things in Dresden also hidden by scene changes or finding the people after the fact? Pull the other one, it's got bells on it. gently caress no. The only time Dresden skips over sex like you describe is when it's Michael and Charity after the big bad is defeated. Everything else gets pages of badly written detail. Like this guy said: ImpAtom posted:there is more screen time devoted to Harry thinking about a character's nipples than there is to some major characters.
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Mar 18, 2020 13:11
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M_Gargantua posted:I might be misremembering but aren't most of the gross sex things in Dresden also hidden by scene changes or finding the people after the fact? The pages long bondage sex scene with vampire girlfriend disagrees with you. Butcher loves himself maledom femsub, cf everything he writes goddamn.
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Mar 18, 2020 19:13
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I think that there are only two "pages long" descriptions of sex in the series. One in book 5 with Susan, and one in a very late book in a "dream" with Murph, right? I haven't re-read the last few books in the series yet to remember exactly where it was. Other than that, there is a lot of nudity, a fair bit of foreplay, and more nipple-talk than I can count. But actual sex? Tends to be glossed over or mentioned in passing.
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Mar 18, 2020 19:28
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ConfusedUs posted:I think that there are only two "pages long" descriptions of sex in the series. One in book 5 with Susan, and one in a very late book in a "dream" with Murph, right? I haven't re-read the last few books in the series yet to remember exactly where it was. Werewolf murder-gangbang in Book 2.
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Mar 18, 2020 19:42
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biracial bear for uncut posted:Werewolf murder-gangbang in Book 2. I don't recall that going on for long, or described in detail, at all. More of an "what the gently caress are they doing, nope nope nope I'm gone" kind of thing?
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Mar 18, 2020 19:45
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ConfusedUs posted:I don't recall that going on for long, or described in detail, at all. More of an "what the gently caress are they doing, nope nope nope I'm gone" kind of thing? Nah, man. Fool Moon was The Worst Dresden Book in just about every way. I mean, the bit with Tera literally had him go on for a full paragraph about her dancing in the rain and "offering her breasts to the chill, with her skin slick and gleaming with water" and poo poo.
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Mar 18, 2020 21:27
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biracial bear for uncut posted:Werewolf murder-gangbang in Book 2. Literally just a couple of lines
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Mar 18, 2020 23:28
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I had to go look this up since I forgot all about it so y'all get to read it. It's not great!Jim Butcher Fool Moon posted:
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Mar 18, 2020 23:51
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I honestly would not mind and would be A-OK with the sex stuff in Dresden and any other book if it wasn't all attached to the weird sex / gender stuff in other parts. I'm even fine with it being totally gratuitous stuff that basically adds nothing to the plot or characters if that's what the author wanna do and they do it well. Write with your clit or your dick w/e, have fun. Contrast the way sex and gender is treated and depicted with, say, Abercrombie's Best Served Cold or First Law Trilogy. It's better written, more nuanced and realistic. I like Jim as an author and I'll buy Peace Talks and I still re-read his stuff, I just wish he'd grow and be less cat-piss. If someone told me Jim Butcher hated women, I wouldn't believe them. If they told me he believed some unfortunate bio-truths I totally would. I was getting into the Codex series until someone here told me that one of the villains was way into rape and that combined with the women being super emotional had me ejecting faster than an asthmatic from an F-35.
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Most of the sex I've run into in UF has been tasteful and brief and more focused on what it means for the character's relationships than anything else. Examples: Hollows 2: there are a few very short scenes where Rachel has sex with her boyfriend, essentially to establish that she's a) getting tail, b) they both have vampire bites (and this is a huge plot point), and c) it makes the ending of the book hurt even more when her boyfriend is giving her the cold shoulder. Will they repair their relationship? I don't know, but I want to find out more in the future - and find out if Nick keeps summoning demons like a moron. Kitty 3: werewolves are depicted as animals and predators in this 'verse, where Kitty smells people and wants to hunt them, and has to control herself. As her new boyfriend is a freshly turned werewolf, their first full moon together led to surprise sex in the woods as after the change back they were cuddling, naked, and went for it. It's a confusing step in their relationship as while she's been helping him adjust to being a werewolf (new rages to control, everything smells weird, etc etc) she also before this didn't see him as anything more than a friend. They should be talking about this, but given the whole curse business and other supernatural terrors, they've been busy. And having comfort sex off-screen with each other. This has also added some tension between Kitty and Cormac, because, well, they were almost a couple. And like, the sex page counts are never more than a page or two (in 300+ page books), so those of you who aren't into it don't have much to dodge.
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