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Phenotype posted:Sorry if I'm being ignorant, but is there any real benefit to registering as an independent? I'm registered as a Democrat so I can vote in the primary (although I actually don't think I have to be in Michigan) and because there's pretty much no chance I'd ever vote for a Republican, so I thought I might as well let them know it's a Democratic vote for them to lose. If you live in a competitive state during an election year, you're more likely to get people knocking on your door or asking you for money if you're a registered Republican or Democrat. That's the only real advantage to being officially registered as an independent.
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there's also little-i independent, which is when you mark "decline to state party preference" or however your state phrases it. not to be confused with capital-I Independent, which is the American Independent Party, a political party, which registering for makes you not a little-i independent lol
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Concerned Citizen posted:tulsi's brother weighs in read: gabbard demanded the vp slot and sanders went "lol no"
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Concerned Citizen posted:tulsi's brother weighs in lol, I just now read this. "We supported bernie, but he didn't want to fight the establishment hard enough like we are! That's why we endorsed the establishment candidate."
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Mar 20, 2020 05:45
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is gabbard the one who is in a cult and hates gay muslims
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OMGVBFLOL posted:is gabbard the one who is in a cult and hates gay muslims That's the one!
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Mar 20, 2020 05:52
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that’s joe, but he is the only one that can beat trump
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OMGVBFLOL posted:is gabbard the one who is in a cult and hates gay muslims Hey whoah now She hates all Muslims!
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Biden is literally in hiding. Probably ill beyond comprehension. Bernie don’t drop out for fucks sake. Tulsi is finally gone. STAY THE gently caress IN Nonsense fucked around with this message at 06:04 on Mar 20, 2020 |
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Mar 20, 2020 05:58
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If Biden dies of Coronavirus what does the establishment do?
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Arrgytehpirate posted:If Biden dies of Coronavirus what does the establishment do? hide his death until after the convention
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Mar 20, 2020 06:08
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Arrgytehpirate posted:If Biden dies of Coronavirus what does the establishment do? Well it would probably fall to Bernie in that case. Having someone picked on the convention floor would be a disaster and Bernie's campaign was competitive enough that Democrats would not feel cheated as opposed to some random or Hilary 2.0 being picked at a convention.
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Mar 20, 2020 06:11
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Scooter_McCabe posted:Well it would probably fall to Bernie in that case. Having someone picked on the convention floor would be a disaster and Bernie's campaign was competitive enough that Democrats would not feel cheated as opposed to some random or Hilary 2.0 being picked at a convention. i mean, nominating biden will be a disaster and they went balls to the wall to make that happen
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Mar 20, 2020 06:16
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Father Time remains undefeated.
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Joe seems very healthy so i think there is nothing to worry about. he is just self isolating to protect his staff and others which is very presidential
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daft posted:Joe seems very healthy so i think there is nothing to worry about. he is just self isolating to protect his staff and others which is very presidential Trump, Biden and Bernie have one thing in common and that is COVID 19 would delete them from existence.
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Scooter_McCabe posted:Trump, Biden and Bernie have one thing in common and that is COVID 19 would delete them from existence. Bernie being a selfish communist means he’s not on stage with 20 people or using his wife as personal nanny might keep him from contracting such a thing.
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V. Illych L. posted:ubi is a policy that says that the problem with late capitalism is that some people just can't participate enough as consumers - it seeks to alleviate the issues of the day by paying people to shut up and go away, effectively. socialism is all about liberating the human from the chains of capital, and ubi is doing... not the opposite of that, but it absolutely is designed to exist in a capitalist system where employment is the individual's responsibility and if you cannot find some way to have surplus value extracted from you, you die to quote your namesake on the rightful compulsion to work... >The bourgeoisie and the rich generally, including the rural rich, the kulaks, are thwarting the grain monopoly; they are disrupting the distribution of grain undertaken by the state for the purpose and in the interests of supplying bread to the whole of the population, and in the first place to the workers, the toilers, the needy. The bourgeoisie are disrupting the fixed prices, they are profiteering in grain, they are making a hundred, two hundred and more rubles’ profit on every pood of grain; they are disrupting the grain monopoly and the proper distribution of grain by resorting to bribery and corruption and by deliberately supporting everything tending to destroy the power of the workers, which is endeavouring to put into effect the prime, basic and root principle of socialism: “He who does not work, neither shall he eat.” “He who does not work, neither shall he eat”—every toiler understands that. Every worker, every poor and even middle peasant, everybody who has suffered need in his lifetime, everybody who has ever lived by his own labour, is in agreement with this. Nine-tenths of the population of Russia are in agreement with this truth. In this simple, elementary and perfectly obvious truth lies the basis of socialism, the indefeasible source of its strength, the indestructible pledge of its final victory. (Lenin distinguished socialism from communism, of course) There are lots of socialisms out there; many don't emphasize liberation qua liberation-from-obligations as a thread. Spoilered for theory blather: US Progressivism descends more from pre-Marxist or non-Marxist socialisms - UBI tends to reveal its Georgist instincts when poked with a stick. If one picks at the historical strands that underpin socialist thought, a reasonably common trope is: there is enough production for all of us, the problem is in sharing the wealth. Another reasonably common one: socialism as rational planning in the public good to avoid greed, waste, or conflicting goals. Emphasize these aspects and UBI tends to fall out naturally. Narratives of local empowerment against national markets, or of elimination of an other'd landlord class, or nationalist liberation from foreign oppressors, tend not to have much traction in the contemporary American dialectical context. There is not much socialist outrage against the common market of the US, even if it was the case that the great deindustrialization of the rust belt went to the US South well before capital fled the US South for other countries. It's still the case today the UBI struggles on the left, but this is not because it fails to abolish late capitalism but instead because it threatens welfare capitalism by contesting its share of the existing social weregild. ronya fucked around with this message at 07:06 on Mar 20, 2020 |
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Gonna be lol if the Democrats killed themselves to drag Biden to the nom and he loving dies
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Gonna be lol if the Democrats killed themselves to drag Biden to the nom and he loving dies
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FilthyImp posted:Biden chooses Hillary as his VP, dies, DNC chooses her at convention. It's ACTUALLY her turn, this time. Promise!
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Concerned Citizen posted:tulsi's brother weighs in bernie sanders has betrayed the movement, all hail comrade tulsi, death to the unbelievers
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Mar 20, 2020 07:34
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Majorian posted:It's ACTUALLY her turn, this time. Promise!
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Majorian posted:It's ACTUALLY her turn, this time. Promise! Then it's announced she is infected.
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Mar 20, 2020 08:18
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FilthyImp posted:Not he. Not we. SHE I’m genuinely furious at the fact that this would get so many likes and retweets on twitter.
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Buckwheat Sings posted:Then it's announced she is infected. Unprecedented platform of 'If I Go Down I'm Taking You With Me'
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ronya posted:to quote your namesake on the rightful compulsion to work... call me old fashioned but i don't see as socialist a doctrine where private ownership of the means of production remains much of a Thing. parliamentary socialism that tries to realise a society without a bourgeoisie through incrementalism i can accept, but it seems clear that so long as a capitalist class exists there's going to be a continuous struggle for political influence in which capital will have an outsized weight due to its ability to set up effective networks of propaganda etc - the goal of any socialist tendency must be the collectivisation, in some form, of the economy or it's not socialism
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Nonsense posted:Bernie being a selfish communist means he’s not on stage with 20 people or using his wife as personal nanny might keep him from contracting such a thing. He keeps going to congress though, and many are already infected.
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Mar 20, 2020 12:46
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Just the five grand is half US GDP
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Yeah I understand we're grumpy about bullshit means testing but there are definitely realistic limits to what could/should be done at the current time. The Dems squabbling over "rich" people getting help they don't need when they make up such a tiny portion of the population to begin with is the thing to wonder about. I do not care if the family with the 2.5 million dollar house and four cars down the road gets a few grand because the time spent making sure they don't is time where someone who needs it is left out to dry.
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HootTheOwl posted:He keeps going to congress though, and many are already infected. I'm willing to accept whatever is necessary to remove the majority of Congress from office, since apparently people are too stupid to vote them out. Thank you Planet Earth.
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Shere posted:Yeah I understand we're grumpy about bullshit means testing but there are definitely realistic limits to what could/should be done at the current time. That's not the real reason. The Dems have bought entirely into the welfare queen myth.
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Well, "the Dems" in this case being fiscally conservative boomers, yeah. My mother in law was in hysterics about Trump's rumored handout, was telling me "see, he really is just like Bernie with these handouts. It's socialism!". There's some sort of broke brain boomer syndrome and I think the whole "participation trophies" phase of millennial hate was just a harbinger of petulant handout ramblings still to come. e: what I'm saying is the Dems haven't bought into the welfare queen myth, they were always in on it too. Our social safety net services all consisting of humiliating rituals and dehumanizing bureaucracy isn't something that happens by accident. It's cut from the same cloth as "Nothing will fundamentally change" defeatism. Solanumai fucked around with this message at 14:02 on Mar 20, 2020 |
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Mar 20, 2020 13:03
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Concerned Citizen posted:tulsi's brother weighs in Tulsi is taking the fight to the establishment by . . . Endorsing Biden
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Mar 20, 2020 13:50
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The other point of means testing is to pit the middle and working classes against each other.
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Halloween Jack posted:The other point of means testing is to pit the middle and working classes against each other.
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JBP posted:Just the five grand is half US GDP So? Close some bases, print more money, who cares. Take it out of the rich people later.
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Halloween Jack posted:The other point of means testing is to pit the middle and working classes against each other. Social Darwinism?
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REMEMBER SPONGE MONKEYS posted:Social Darwinism? No, divide and conquer.
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