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Who is your first pick in the deputy leadership race? This poll is closed.
R. Allin-Khan	6	1.60%
R. Burgon	80	21.33%
D. Butler	72	19.20%
A. Rayner	35	9.33%
I. Murray	5	1.33%
P. Flaps	177	47.20%
Total:	375 votes

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Angry Lobster: May 16, 2011; Served with honor
and some clarified butter.

Comrade Fakename posted:

Nationalise Rockstar

Don't forget Creative Assembly and Games Workshop.

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goddamnedtwisto: Dec 31, 2004; If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you; Fun Shoe

ThomasPaine posted:

Been thinking about the way our government and legislature doesn't work, and genuinely started wondering if there would be any formal rule stopping a party with an outright majority just immediately deciding to outlaw the opposition party and hang all its members. Just a wee thought experiment.

Short answer: Not much.

Long answer: You'd have to repeal the Human Rights Act, which bans the death penalty (and God knows they want to do this so bad you can tastes it), but then your bill would have to pass the Commons (there are... probably... enough Tories who would rebel on this) and the Lords (ditto but again... it's only probably) and Royal Assent where theoretically at least it could be stopped if only because the way to get around that is to vote ourselves a republic and the Tories wouldn't do that.

# ? Mar 20, 2020 19:38

Microplastics: Jul 6, 2007; It's what's for dinner.

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Short answer: Not much.

Long answer: You'd have to repeal the Human Rights Act, which bans the death penalty (and God knows they want to do this so bad you can tastes it), but then your bill would have to pass the Commons (there are... probably... enough Tories who would rebel on this) and the Lords (ditto but again... it's only probably) and Royal Assent where theoretically at least it could be stopped if only because the way to get around that is to vote ourselves a republic and the Tories wouldn't do that.

What if instead of hanging them you exiled them to the middle of the north sea? Not technically sentenced to death, since any subsequent failure to survive would be attributed to their inability to swim or magic up a boat

# ? Mar 20, 2020 19:42

Qwertycoatl: Dec 31, 2008

Reminder that Epic has some free games every week (as in claim that that week and they're yours forever until they go out of business). Sometimes even good games.

# ? Mar 20, 2020 19:43

keep punching joe: Jan 22, 2006; Die Satan!

Hope my job just furloughs me for 3 months rather than make me work from home.

They wont.

# ? Mar 20, 2020 19:45

learnincurve: May 15, 2014; Smoosh

Well looks like we might have actually had the rona and got over it then, me being me and paranoid self isolating broke one chain, but unfortunately it turns out my mother has merrily been going around like typhoid Mary on crack.

This explains why Nazi Dad isn�t banging on about �leftist conspiracy theory fake news to slur Boris�

# ? Mar 20, 2020 19:48

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

City people found our local shop for local people. Someone bought all the chips. :mad:

Gonzo McFee posted:

If CORVID-19 lasts for a full year

The symptoms are terrible
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wW5a3SvvOes

# ? Mar 20, 2020 19:53

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# ? Mar 20, 2020 19:54

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This is encouraging for me, because it was appearing that the job I began on March 2 and was let go from on Wednesday meant that I started a few days too late and was let go a few days too early to be eligible for the subsidy.

# ? Mar 20, 2020 20:00

josh04: Oct 19, 2008; "THE FLASH IS THE REASON
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BalloonFish posted:

This is encouraging for me, because it was appearing that the job I began on March 2 and was let go from on Wednesday meant that I started a few days too late and was let go a few days too early to be eligible for the subsidy.

That makes lots of sense, making it subject to the whims of the employer is the bonkers part.

# ? Mar 20, 2020 20:01

Communist Thoughts: Jan 7, 2008; Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!

OwlFancier posted:

Sure but like, if the government's telling people "don't worry we can pay for all your poo poo" even if they don't do that they've already admitted the central conceit is bollocks.

not to be a negative nelly but the only thing that matters is what the media manufactures

the contradictions of capitalism are not noticed by most people

having said that the media did at least ask a few more pressing questions this time

# ? Mar 20, 2020 20:08

crispix: Mar 28, 2015; Grand-Maman m'a raconté
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Hello, dear

Apraxin posted:

will nobody think of poor boris?!?

It's just a standard bottle-of-gin-a-night face.

There was a headmaster of a primary school on TV here saying that while the school has been "closed" today, she was told just this evening that she has to open it on Monday with a skeleton staff and most of the kids will be left off as usual because basically every parent is a key worker :v:

# ? Mar 20, 2020 20:17

Jel Shaker: Apr 19, 2003

Watching the one show is trippy as gently caress, black mirror vibes

# ? Mar 20, 2020 20:23

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

meanwhile, in america:

Serf posted:

so here's my covid story for the day:

my grandpa usually gets his hair cut by my cousin, but she's been down on spring break in florida and my mom is worried that she could have covid. she called up my aunt and my cousin isn't going to see my grandpa anymore. well, he got pissed and went to town to get a haircut anyways. i tried to stop him, but he almost hit me with his car. i fired a shot over the roof but he didn't care. i thought about shooting out a tire but he was going too fast. well my mom manages to talk him down and get him to come home. before all this, i told him that if i caught him leaving i'd take away his keys. so i went down to his trailer to do just that a little while ago

this motherfucker shot at me! i was walking to his car and heard a crack, and saw dirt kick up in front of me. i looked over and he was shooting at me from his bedroom window with a .22! i loving booked it over behind his shed and he kept shooting at me, so i waited until he was reloading, sprinted to his car and grabbed the keys out of the ignition. let the air out of one of the tires while i was at it. i ran back to the golf cart while he cussed and shot at my feet. its loving day 5 of quarantine and i'm gonna get killed by my grandpa before the virus!

# ? Mar 20, 2020 20:28

xtothez: Jan 4, 2004; College Slice

Comrade Fakename posted:

NES games cost �40 back in the 80s. Games stayed �40 for like, twenty years, and have only been creeping up in the last decade or so. �40 in 1988 was over �100 in today's money.

I remember N64 games that cost �50/60 new in the late 90s. Most of them I had to get 2nd-hand some time later.

# ? Mar 20, 2020 20:28

Communist Thoughts: Jan 7, 2008; Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!

Apraxin posted:

will nobody think of poor boris?!?

can someone who is good at gifs do the simpson thing but its PRAY. FOR. BO. JO.

# ? Mar 20, 2020 20:29

Bobstar: Feb 8, 2006; KartooshFace, you are not responding efficiently!

Not loving today. We got our cat back from the vet, perked up by IV fluids, but that won't work again so this is probably the last few days

And an email from company HQ in the US saying basically "if we get shut down then nobody's getting paid, hope your country has good Corona benefits". Which, given we're in manufacturing makes some sense, but still

# ? Mar 20, 2020 20:35

Darth Walrus: Feb 13, 2012

Apraxin posted:

meanwhile, in america:

Serf posted:

a shot fired into the air isn't a big deal. happens all the time. shooting at the feet is a whole different story. the man has lost his god drat mind

# ? Mar 20, 2020 20:36

Ash Crimson: Apr 4, 2010

Please do not think about the event!

REMAIN INDOORS

# ? Mar 20, 2020 20:37

Gonzo McFee: Jun 19, 2010

Apraxin posted:

meanwhile, in america:

That's the most boomer thing I've ever read.

# ? Mar 20, 2020 20:39

Roller Coast Guard: Aug 27, 2006; With this magnificent aircraft,
and my magnificent facial hair,
the British Empire will never fall!

xtothez posted:

I remember N64 games that cost �50/60 new in the late 90s. Most of them I had to get 2nd-hand some time later.

Street Fighter 2 on the SNES was going for �65 at initial release.

# ? Mar 20, 2020 20:43

crispix: Mar 28, 2015; Grand-Maman m'a raconté
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Hello, dear

Game shops were v hard to steal from too :mad:

# ? Mar 20, 2020 20:44

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

lol me and my brother used to buy the cheapest N64 game wiht an undamaged box we could from the 2nd hand shop then go into HMV/virgin etc and make up a story about it being a present from an elderly relative which si why we had no receipt and trade it for a brand new game we wanted

# ? Mar 20, 2020 20:48

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

That torygraph article that Owen Jones referred to in his tweet is quite damning I think.

torygraph/business/2020/03/20/boris-must-become-socialist-face-nationalising-entire-economy/

quote:

Business
Boris must embrace socialism immediately to save the liberal free market
AMBROSE EVANS-PRITCHARD
Ambrose Evans-Pritchard20 MARCH 2020 � 2:07PM
Boris Johnson illo

There's nothing stopping Boris pulling out all the stops to hold the economy together
The British state can well afford to spend whatever it takes to cover lost wages, keep companies afloat, and hold the economy together through the Covid-19 crisis. There is no debt constraint. Nor is there any coherent alternative.

Rishi Sunak has taken exactly the right steps in covering 80pc of wages - up to �2,500 a month - for staff kept on by companies but unable to work, and to offer the self-employed access to Universal Credit at rates equal to statutory sick pay.

It prevents wholesale destruction of our economic base. It greatly ra�ses the chances of averting a protracted slump, or worse yet, a deflationary depression. It is executive action befitting the war-time threat that we face.

Some cavil at the cost. They are wrong. To deny funding on the basis of primitive accounting shibboleths would be to repeat the errors of post-Lehman austerity strategy but on a greater scale, and with more calamitous effects.

In that episode, public investment was cut to the bone � even though we could borrow at negative real rates � and this pulled down the rate of future economic growth for a decade. It was based on the false theory of �expansionary fiscal contractions�, debunked by the International Monetary Fund, and the nearest thing to witchcraft in modern economic debate.

The result was a higher public debt ratio and smaller GDP than would otherwise have been the case. It achieved nothing of value. It was self-defeating even on its own crude terms.

The stakes are higher this time because "sudden stop" threatens to push thousands of valuable and viable companies over the edge and fundamentally damage our free market system, eating into the supply-side foundations of our economy.

We would have emerged dazed and blinking from the coming siege � months hence � to discover that you cannot just let the natural process clear "dead wood" (how I hate that term) and then enjoy a V-shaped recovery. Hysteresis would have set it.

Other countries that preserved their industrial and economic base with more provident policies would instead have been the ones roaring back to life. While we languished in depression, they would have snatched our export markets and eaten our lunch.

�This is not just a 'supply shock' that goes away in the third quarter,� says Robert Woods from Bank of America. Firms are going smack into a brick wall. Income has stopped overnight. Companies cannot �hoard labour�� and muddle through.

To take the route of passive liquidation � on the basis of Schumpeterian gobbledygook or sovereign debt phobia � is self-evidently untenable. The Government would end up having to nationalise large parts of the economy. We would have slid into socialism, one disaster after another, week after week, until we reached Corbynism by default and by defaults. To avert socialism, we must briefly become socialists. We must spend whatever it takes to save free market liberalism.

The Government has already committed one grave error by giving up too early on the successful Korea/Taiwan/Singapore strategy on Covid-19 � �test, trace, isolate� � as it dallied with far-fetched theories and told us that it could "time" the trajectory of the epidemic with calibrated responses.

Yet it could not even get the timing remotely right. It built a strategy on claims that we were four weeks behind Italy when anybody following the events in Lombardy could see the lag was only 13 days (exactly as professor Anthony Costello kept warning). It is now beyond doubt that we have let an Italian pattern take hold. Still we dither.

The Government seemed to imagine that it could let British residents die at a much faster rate than in other comparable democracies in the first wave without provoking a ferocious popular and political reaction, and without untold damage to our international reputation. It seemed to think that testing the NHS to destruction was "doable". We�ll find some ventilators somewhere.

The strategy reminds me of the Norway campaign in early 1940. It exposed staggering ineptitude. What finished off the Chamberlain government and brought about the national coalition that saved this country was the parade of Tory MPs in full military uniform � the voice of the front line � speaking in the Commons to vent their fury. Doctors this time?

Downing Street must not now make an error of comparable gravity on the economic front by listening to bad counsel. It makes little substantive difference whether the public debt ratio stays at 85pc of GDP or jumps temporarily to 100pc or even 110pc so long as the money is spent preserving the productive system. Ratios of this kind � in these particular circumstances � are smoke and mirrors.

Bernard Connolly, the high priest of British Wicksellian economists, argues that the Government's subsidies to keep the nation whole will lead to a big rise in pent-up demand (since nobody is spending much now beyond survival).

This in turn will cause GDP to accelerate in a super V-shaped recovery once it comes. The Treasury can then run a tighter fiscal policy for a while � it would have to do so to avoid overheating � and that would gradually bend the debt trajectory back down. What matters is the trend over time. The snapshot debt ratio is irrelevant.

# ? Mar 20, 2020 20:52

RockyB: Mar 8, 2007; Dog Therapy: Shockingly Good

quote:

Some cavil at the cost. They are wrong. To deny funding on the basis of primitive accounting shibboleths

quote:

on the basis of Schumpeterian gobbledygook or sovereign debt phobia � is self-evidently untenable.

loving hell, are we sure this isn't Ronya?

# ? Mar 20, 2020 20:55

Comrade Fakename: Feb 13, 2012

It is absolutely incredible that they wrote that entire Telegraph article and never mentioned Corbyn or the Labour Party.

# ? Mar 20, 2020 21:01

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Gonzo McFee posted:

I know but �55 for a videogame? I remember when you could buy a new game for �30 and still have money left over to buy the 3 for a tenner classics.

Oh, aye, on that front I agree. But games have fluctuated in price. I remember having trouble convincing my nan to get me any N64 games because they were like sixty quid (because discs are a fad cartridges are the future bay-BEE!).

These days it's just wild because there's so much diversity in pricing, especially when you factor indie games in. Brand new games I'm eager for can range anywhere from like �15 to �60. (I don't usually go for anything above like �45 but DooT is an exception). In conclusion;

peanut- posted:

Video games should be state subsidised in this, our hour of greatest need.

Jose posted:

lol me and my brother used to buy the cheapest N64 game wiht an undamaged box we could from the 2nd hand shop then go into HMV/virgin etc and make up a story about it being a present from an elderly relative which si why we had no receipt and trade it for a brand new game we wanted

lol cheeky buggers

# ? Mar 20, 2020 21:02

Gonzo McFee: Jun 19, 2010

Ms Adequate posted:

Oh, aye, on that front I agree. But games have fluctuated in price. I remember having trouble convincing my nan to get me any N64 games because they were like sixty quid (because discs are a fad cartridges are the future bay-BEE!).

These days it's just wild because there's so much diversity in pricing, especially when you factor indie games in. Brand new games I'm eager for can range anywhere from like £15 to £60. (I don't usually go for anything above like £45 but DooT is an exception). In conclusion;

lol cheeky buggers

I'm fairly sure my parents bought me a PlayStation because they saw Nintendo game prices and went lol gently caress that.

# ? Mar 20, 2020 21:04

Pistol_Pete: Sep 15, 2007; Oven Wrangler

It's Telegraph loonie Ambrose-Evans Pritchard.

He's correctly predicted every recession in the last 30 years, because if you predict a recession every single year, you'll obviously never miss one.

# ? Mar 20, 2020 21:05

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Pistol_Pete posted:

It's Telegraph loonie Ambrose-Evans Pritchard.

He's correctly predicted every recession in the last 30 years, because if you predict a recession every single year, you'll obviously never miss one.

Doesn't matter, he's done what Corbyn could never do - get a column in the Torygraph saying "Socialism is the answer to our problems and is the responsible thing to do."

# ? Mar 20, 2020 21:07

Qwertycoatl: Dec 31, 2008

If Labour had won I'm sure these exact same people right now would be screaming about their irresponsible spending plans or somesuch nonsense

# ? Mar 20, 2020 21:10

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

xtothez posted:

I remember N64 games that cost £50/60 new in the late 90s. Most of them I had to get 2nd-hand some time later.

There's a whole back & forth thing about this in the industry. £60 seems to be the confidence threshold for people purchasing a game, and when the price goes above this, sales drop and they end up making less money overall.

Publishers maintain that wages / rent / resources have all gone up, but the price of the product has stayed the same, which is why they've had to go with other forms of monetisation - DLC, microtransactions, loot boxes, season passes etc.

Everyone else's reply to this is that it's norovirus infested bullshit because the publishers in question are making record profits; and when publishers are forced to remove microtransactions because they become too controversial, they assure their shareholders that it doesn't affect their profits.

Extra Credits did a good video from the publisher's perspective and Jim Sterling did an even better takedown of why it's completely wrong.

I would link them, but I have to go cook steak.

# ? Mar 20, 2020 21:12

Communist Thoughts: Jan 7, 2008; Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!

wheres kier?

doing something deeply forensic i assume

# ? Mar 20, 2020 21:12

xtothez: Jan 4, 2004; College Slice

Qwertycoatl posted:

If Labour had won I'm sure these exact same people right now would be screaming about their irresponsible spending plans or somesuch nonsense

Yeah because Labour would have irresponsibly prevented landlords from cashing in on this via rent controls or compulsory purchasing. It's not socialism if government money goes directly to landlord pockets.

# ? Mar 20, 2020 21:16

Darth Walrus: Feb 13, 2012

RLB's response is pretty good and thoughtful, at least.

https://twitter.com/rlong_bailey/status/1241059999687696389?s=21

# ? Mar 20, 2020 21:18

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Qwertycoatl posted:

If Labour had won I'm sure these exact same people right now would be screaming about their irresponsible spending plans or somesuch nonsense

Absolutely. Even if Corbyn & McDonnell were doing identically the same as Johnson & Sunak are doing now, the MSM would be on them like a ton of bricks, criticizing every single atom of policy. Every rightwing person on my FB would be slinging the mud wildly instead of saying it's wrong to criticize the govt during a time of national crisis it's not helpful blather blather.

# ? Mar 20, 2020 21:20

Juche Couture: Feb 3, 2007

Darth Walrus posted:

RLB's response is pretty good and thoughtful, at least.

https://twitter.com/rlong_bailey/status/1241059999687696389?s=21

the twitter replies :whitewater:

# ? Mar 20, 2020 21:22

Comrade Fakename: Feb 13, 2012

Juche Couture posted:

the twitter replies

lol they're basically the same as the weirdos who reply to our mass emails. When I track the name back to the Labour database I almost always find that they joined post-election.

# ? Mar 20, 2020 21:24

Julio Cruz: May 19, 2006

Juche Couture posted:

the twitter replies

like gently caress am I reading them but I imagine it's all "how dare you, a politician, politicise this event by commenting on political decisions by other politicians"

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Active Quasar: Feb 22, 2011

As many, many posters above have pointed out, we live in 1984 where the consensus of opinion is completely manufactured, and the right will spare no effort to twist the truth to defend their power, even in the face of global catastrophe. However, the right has never been so week as now, but this is temporary, unless the left can seize the moment. They will rebuild their Friedmanite death cult and finish off destroying the biosphere. From a purely practical perspective, therefore, what is to be done? Propaganda campaigns? Organization under the blanket of mutual aid? I'm really afraid that, like with 2008, socialists are just going to let this slide yet again.

# ? Mar 20, 2020 21:28

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