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| R. Allin-Khan |
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Guavanaut posted:What is Biden up to at the moment? It seems he's learning about this new thing called 'internets'.
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So this 80% wages scheme, I haven't seen any timeframe for when the full details of this move will be published. Will the total grant per employee be based on their gross pay for the last tax year? Or if you were contracted for a set amount of hours, will the payments be equal to 80% of your contracted hours? I ask because I've been off on sick leave for the last 3 months, which could affect whatever income is coming my way. My girlfriend works 25hrs plus, but is only contracted for 8hrs a week. We reckon we will be called into our workplace today to do a massive cleandown and remove unused stock. Most of it will be unusable. Work has a no take home policy where any foodstuffs that are still edible but being wasted are just dumped. So I'm interested to see what will happen. At the very least you'd hope we could shift some of our produce and perishable supplies to a food bank or something.
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Mar 21, 2020 08:10
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Melissa McCarthyism posted:I ask because I've been off on sick leave for the last 3 months, which could affect whatever income is coming my way. My girlfriend works 25hrs plus, but is only contracted for 8hrs a week. This kind of thing is what makes me think that the whole 80% thing is just not going to work. In normal times one could establish a big large bureaucracy to figure out exactly how much everybody in the country earns and from what sources and with what kind of variability and so on and so forth, and this would then take a whole bunch of time, and it would be inaccurate, and... well I guess it would be mostly possible to make sure people don't get more than their fair 80% share or whatever because omg benefit scroungers. But during a goddamn apocalypse like this, why wouldn't the government simply write every person a cheque right now, done. Takes zero time and people don't loving starve or become homeless while waiting for the wheels to slowly turn. Like say two grand a month per person, every month, automatically. One of the richest countries in the world, could surely afford it. Not holding my breath though when the alternative is that poor people get completely hosed and die on the streets while everyone who can afford to wait for six months will be fine. (Ok that previous paragraph is hyperbole but y'all get my point)
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Mar 21, 2020 08:23
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Between HMRC, Student Finance and the DWP you should have the bank details for every person over 16? Just put money in the account.
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Mar 21, 2020 08:33
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jaete posted:This kind of thing is what makes me think that the whole 80% thing is just not going to work. In normal times one could establish a big large bureaucracy to figure out exactly how much everybody in the country earns and from what sources and with what kind of variability and so on and so forth, and this would then take a whole bunch of time, and it would be inaccurate, and... well I guess it would be mostly possible to make sure people don't get more than their fair 80% share or whatever because omg benefit scroungers. There is a large bureaucracy its called HMRC they already can provide both historical copies and real-time pay information to other bits of govt such as the dwp for use in universal credit or to calculate other benefits
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Mar 21, 2020 08:45
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crispix posted:I know a bloke who really likes skulls, I'll make sure he sees these How is DomCum doing anyway?
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crispix posted:I know a bloke who really likes skulls, I'll make sure he sees these Franz ... Franz Joseph Gall?!?
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:How is DomCum doing anyway? Knowing Dom, he's probably midway through a 100,000 word blog post where he reworks the concept of immunology from scratch.
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Mar 21, 2020 09:17
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So apparently there’s a temporary increase to universal credit rates incoming, but is that also likely to include legacy benefits or are those of us who haven’t been migrated over yet going to be forgotten about?
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Mar 21, 2020 09:24
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The argument that's going round about "well the death figures are overestimated because many of the old people would have died anyway" has made it to the beeb https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51979654 It seems a bit defective. Firstly, incidences of people falling down the stairs doesn't happen in an NHS overwhelming surge like a contagious virus does, and secondly, if everyone starts dying of exactly the same care intensive and drawn out illness that means the same scarce bits of equipment are needed to treat them.
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Mar 21, 2020 09:38
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Endjinneer posted:The argument that's going round about "well the death figures are overestimated because many of the old people would have died anyway" has made it to the beeb https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51979654 It’s not long until that “paediatric nurse” turns up again to explain how all those photos of olds stuck dying in corridors are fake news
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Mar 21, 2020 09:47
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Guavanaut posted:otoh without any sports on, online gambling is reduced to this kind of tier games but less fun and they cost money. I went here and played a game called Idiot and I managed to force us into an endless cycle. 
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Mar 21, 2020 09:50
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Ms Adequate posted:All joking aside, much as I love DE and think it deserves all the praise it gets, I do recognize it may not be for everyone. I certainly had to be in the right mood for it if nothing else. I think the opening monologue and ceiling fan could be off-putting, but if you've gotten to the field autopsy and it's not your cup of tea, it's probably not your cup of tea. Regarding benefits: I haven't got a clue. I'm self-employed but still have some money coming in for now. It sounds like being on universal credit is better than SSP as you can access other stuff like free prescriptions (both work out around £90 a week?) and there'll also slightly increase housing benefit so that there's no bottom floor for getting it and it will increase to 30% of the average rent in my area? So, works out better for someone living in central London, not so much me who lives in a village in West Yorkshire. At first I was grateful for scraps from the table as something is better than nothing - unless that 'something' stops you from getting what you actually need to get by. Even Matt Hancock pulled a face and said he couldn't get by on SSP on QT the other night. Also! Universal Credit is still a horror show. Signed up the other day expecting them to follow government guidelines but they said nothing about day 1 payments or not having to go to the job centre. I had to keep saying over and over I have symptoms of coronavirus and self-isolating. Waiting on the phone for nearly 2 hours other day just to organise a meeting that could be done online was a faff, I bet next week it will be a lot worse. We don't have the infrastructure to pay people benefits in a normal situation, so I'm guessing this will be totally hosed by Tuesday.
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Mar 21, 2020 09:50
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South Wales comrade of mine wrote a thing some people ITT might be interested in. He's pretty much the main guy behind the couriers' network (apart from, y'know, all the couriers), reflecting on the problems they faced. Link
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Mar 21, 2020 09:58
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Chucat posted:I went here and played a game called Idiot and I managed to force us into an endless cycle. At least you didn't spend any money or join any predatory newsletters.
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Mar 21, 2020 10:03
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I'm sure I've played shithead and bullshit but I can't remember the rules for either. I do remember that the point is to swear loudly though.
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Mar 21, 2020 10:06
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Apraxin posted:https://twitter.com/mviser/status/1241073884994195459 Thing is it's the Democratic strategy for a few Presidential elections now that the challenger just straight up disappears in months between the primary and the election as they (rightly) believe that the longer people get a look at the centrist empty shite they're offering the quicker they get bored of it and go for the incumbent. Now that they've basically fixed it for Joe to win he's going to never be seen, especially since even if you dispute the dementia accusations you can't deny he just looks lost. Spending his last few years on this earth making sure that people don't get universal health care during a pandemic. It's amazing how this was basically the Democrats to lose and now they're on course for an absolute slaughter come November.
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Mar 21, 2020 10:13
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If you have symptoms of CV or someone in your house does, you can get an isolation note from the NHS (only released recently I think) https://111.nhs.uk/isolation-note Tick someone in your house has symptoms for a 14 day note, otherwise it's just a 7 day note (which is odd as if you live with someone who has it, it's 14 days isolation but if you have it yourself, half that time?)
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Mar 21, 2020 10:13
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Guavanaut posted:predatory newsletters Predatory newsletters.
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Mar 21, 2020 10:15
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It sounds like an SCP to me.
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Mar 21, 2020 10:15
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I chickened out of going wild camping this weekend, seemed like a good chance with the weather being better but if I started getting symptoms while I was hours deep into the moors I'd be hosed and rightly so. Bummer. More living room it is then
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Mar 21, 2020 10:16
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justcola posted:If you have symptoms of CV or someone in your house does, you can get an isolation note from the NHS (only released recently I think) The guidance is 7 days if you live alone, 14 if you live with someone else - maybe they’ve coded that in incorrectly.
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Mar 21, 2020 10:19
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The 14 days if you live with someone is the incubation period to see if you become symptomatic so you don't go around spreading it, if you're already symptomatic there's no need for the longer period, they're saying 7 days for a minimum or just until you're asymptomatic. This is day How long would you folk give it? Borrovan fucked around with this message at 10:28 on Mar 21, 2020 |
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Mar 21, 2020 10:21
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A day or two after symptoms clear?
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Mar 21, 2020 10:26
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It's quite difficult to know with no testing available. I suppose 14 days after you and her last had contact would be enough for her to show symptoms if you did have it? I was just talking with my sister yesterday: She and I and a couple of other family members have had 'weird colds' since January (myself early March) before we really knew about this thing. I have had a cough now for several weeks. BUT these are something I am prone to anyway. We're all self-isolating anyway. When I say 'weird colds' - I went back and checked out a message I sent her early March so I knew I wasn't making it up - I had a sore throat (normal harbinger of a cold for me) but it didn't last the usual 12 hours - one side of my throat then the other - and then seem to go and then turn into a full blown snot fest, it lasted over 48 hours and did not go snotty. I felt that my chest was full of chalk. Various other things that could have been mild symptoms of CV. But might not have been. I suspect it has been present in the UK for some weeks longer than we think.
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Mar 21, 2020 10:30
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:
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Mar 21, 2020 10:33
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:It's quite difficult to know with no testing available. I suppose 14 days after you and her last had contact would be enough for her to show symptoms if you did have it? This is almost exactly my symptoms too - right down to the early March timeline. Over the last couple of days I’ve swung around to it just being a weird cold rather than roni, was considering going out today after (mostly) isolation for the last week.
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Mar 21, 2020 10:33
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NotJustANumber99 posted:The spiking death rate doesn't seem to support that though? Well if they weren't testing those who were dying for it until quite recently, they wouldn't really know and might just have thought it was old-people flu/pneumonia. Without having a graph for other deaths over the past few weeks it's hard to say especially if it takes say 4-6 weeks from getting it to death (2 weeks with full symptoms then a lull then 10 days later death).
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Mar 21, 2020 10:37
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Borrovan posted:The 14 days if you live with someone is the incubation period to see if you become symptomatic so you don't go around spreading it, if you're already symptomatic there's no need for the longer period, they're saying 7 days for a minimum or just until you're asymptomatic. This is day Official advice is 7 days from when symptoms start or until your fever is gone, whichever is longer (the cough can persist after you're no longer infectious). I'd probably give it a couple more days to be safe.
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re the Aviemore hotel that sacked all its staff: That is some 'administrative error'. quote:In response, Britannia’s spokeswoman said, in comments reported by the Liverpool Echo: “Unfortunately, the communication sent to these employees was an administrative error. All affected employees are being immediately contacted. We apologise for any upset caused.” https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/mar/21/scottish-hotel-admin-error-sacking-staff-covid-19 Naturally, their climbdown has nothing to do with the fact that there was wide-spread condemnation, bad publicity, and tripadvisor had to stop any reviews of the hotel because there was a pile-on.
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Mar 21, 2020 10:43
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Bakeneko posted:So apparently there’s a temporary increase to universal credit rates incoming, but is that also likely to include legacy benefits or are those of us who haven’t been migrated over yet going to be forgotten about? I hope not! The jobcentre mentioned moving me over to Universal Credit (I'm still on JSA), but it was never brought up again. Sign-ons have been cancelled for the foreseeable, so I'll just wait and see what happens. A little bit extra would be nice - benefits aren't enough full stop, whether there's a pandemic going on or not.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Well if they weren't testing those who were dying for it until quite recently, they wouldn't really know and might just have thought it was old-people flu/pneumonia. It really does have quite a distinct clinical presentation, I'd be surprised if an attending just shrugged at such a rapidly progressing viral pneumonia without further testing
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Mar 21, 2020 10:44
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Failed Imagineer posted:It really does have quite a distinct clinical presentation, I'd be surprised if an attending just shrugged at such a rapidly progressing viral pneumonia without further testing True. I don't know the ins and outs of what tests they do these days - I guess I'm under the impression that if you're over a certain age they don't bother testing and just write you off in any case. (I'm biased because a few years ago now, there was an interesting programme on the radio about how many old people get things wrong with them that could be fixed* and improve quality of life substantially, but it's just written off as 'anno domini', they'll just have to lump it and no one bothers). *Ed: fixed easily and would be if they were 20 years younger. Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 10:55 on Mar 21, 2020 |
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Mar 21, 2020 10:49
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Failed Imagineer posted:It really does have quite a distinct clinical presentation, I'd be surprised if an attending just shrugged at such a rapidly progressing viral pneumonia without further testing Yeah, about that, this is from someone I know who posted this on twitter: https://twitter.com/oxforddiplomat/status/1240776914693951496?s=21
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Mar 21, 2020 10:52
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https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1241292321926381568?s=21 Buzzfeed's bringing the goods again.
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Mar 21, 2020 10:55
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Why is it even that important to test at that point? Just assume positive?
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Borrovan posted:The 14 days if you live with someone is the incubation period to see if you become symptomatic so you don't go around spreading it, if you're already symptomatic there's no need for the longer period, they're saying 7 days for a minimum or just until you're asymptomatic. This is day Hard to say really, I'd be a little sus about going out after 7 days if all my clothes and that were covered in covid juice from the person I live with - I'm avoiding my family for 14 days just to be sure but after today I could technically go out (not sure where though) The more I think about the benefit announcement the more confused I am by it. This guardian article doesn't help.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Thing is it's the Democratic strategy for a few Presidential elections now that the challenger just straight up disappears in months between the primary and the election as they (rightly) believe that the longer people get a look at the centrist empty shite they're offering the quicker they get bored of it and go for the incumbent. Now that they've basically fixed it for Joe to win he's going to never be seen, especially since even if you dispute the dementia accusations you can't deny he just looks lost. Spending his last few years on this earth making sure that people don't get universal health care during a pandemic. How old will AOC be at the next election?
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Mar 21, 2020 10:58
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Why is it even that important to test at that point? Just assume positive? Lets you pick up asymptomatic carriers and identify which of your medics aren't going to kill older patients by being in the same room as them.
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Josef bugman posted:How old will AOC be at the next election? Old enough, I think, but I'm not sure.
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