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Grand Fromage posted:Total bullshit. I am sure their official numbers are lower than reality, but there's no loving way they're covering up 14.4 million dead. People change numbers. Weekend at Bernie's multiplied by 14,000,000 Let's DO THIS
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Mr. Nice! posted:Question for china goons, some people on 4chan pulled up chinese phone records and are speculating that the 14.4m canceled accounts in the past few months represent the actual death toll from covid-19. I know nothing of the chinese cell phone setup. The poster claimed that people simply do not cancel phone accounts like that because it is linked to alipay. Any credibility to this claim? The number of cases in Italy has been doubling every 5-6 days. If this has been happening at the same rate in China for several months now, yeah that number could be true Barudak posted:I have family that lives in the epicenter. Given there are 0 deaths among them out of 50 or so people I dont think there is an unreported 15 million dead people it wouldn't be in Wuhan, it would be spread across all of China
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china is using covid deaths as an excuse to murder uighyrs. there. that's the racist conspiracy theory moving forward. they're hiding the bodies in with the plague victims, tryin to do a loose change times a billion.
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PHIZ KALIFA posted:china is using covid deaths as an excuse to murder uighyrs. there. that's the racist conspiracy theory moving forward. they're hiding the bodies in with the plague victims, tryin to do a loose change times a billion. Why would they kill the Uighurs? They need them as bodies to truck from their "vocational schools" around the rest of the country to work in the factories whilst the good and valuable Han people are at home self isolating. Seriously, I heard somewhere that some factories are doing this. Using the death-camp inmates as labour whilst their usual workers aren't allowed to leave the house.
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Rutibex posted:The number of cases in Italy has been doubling every 5-6 days. If this has been happening at the same rate in China for several months now, yeah that number could be true Even assuming it was all across china 15 million people is over 1% of their population. You can just hide that, the amount of bodies alone and people needed to deal with that would tip everyone off long long before phone numbers were the lead indicator.
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I just had a thought: How would being infected with COVID-19 affect your social credit score? Would you be considered disharmonious by getting the disease and making China/the CCP look bad?
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Excuse me, but no one will ever be contracting Covid in China ever again. Haven't you read the news?
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Seriously though, what's up with China's latest claim of zero new infections? How would that even be possible given how many infected individuals they currently have? They haven't welded the entire population into their homes, so this just seems like a blatant lie.
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DeadFatDuckFat posted:Weekend at Bernie's multiplied by 14,000,000 Let's DO THIS 
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Devils Affricate posted:Seriously though, what's up with China's latest claim of zero new infections? How would that even be possible given how many infected individuals they currently have? They haven't welded the entire population into their homes, so this just seems like a blatant lie. General Bullshit > Chinathread: this just seems like a blatant lie.
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Look at how widely it's being reported uncritically. It is a blatant lie, but it's doing its job.
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Barudak posted:Even assuming it was all across china 15 million people is over 1% of their population. You can just hide that, the amount of bodies alone and people needed to deal with that would tip everyone off long long before phone numbers were the lead indicator. There were citizen journalists(  ) that had seen bodies stacked like wood during the peak. While they are definitely suppressing the numbers  zero new cases, like come the gently caress on, definitely agree you can't hide that many deaths over such a short period of time. However I wouldn't be surprised if the number of actual deaths are 10x reported.Question though, how many new numbers got signed up? Explosive Tampons posted:Is there any info about asymptomatic COVID-19 on asthma people? I'm like 3 days without any symptom but having my chest get a bit tight and hard to breathe and I have no idea if it's the 'rona or not since in Brazil they're limiting exams for people in hospitals, and going there might be the worst mistake of my life (since it seems that hospitals are an autoinfect zone right now according to quarantine instructions and the doctors I've been talking to via videocall). You can't be asymptomatic if you have symptoms... that said you are at heighten risk should you be infected. It's quite possible you are stressing your self out however you have done the right thing calling the doctor and no doubt they have given you far better advice than any of us could. Find some thing to de-stress yourself with which would be good from a mental health angle, something that is often ignored. Stay safe. Be alert but not endlessly alarmed. oohhboy fucked around with this message at 04:38 on Mar 21, 2020 |
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Need to stop those drat Italians from kissing so much!
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It's hard to not be endlessly alarmed when there has been basically no good news for like 4 weeks and nobody has any idea what's going to happen. Which isn't to say that there aren't good things to report re: Winnie the Flu or any realistic projections for how effective our collective sacrifices will be, they just aren't being reported by the media or supplied by our leaders. It's not like everyone should straight up lie like China has but now would be an excellent opportunity for governments or media outlets to consider ways to boost public morale
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loving boomers coming back from their vacations in Mexico and The Dominican Republic are not self-quarantining. My mom ran into a guy who just got back and tried to give her a hug. When she backed up and asked what he was doing in the grocery store he laughed and just dismissed it as blown out of proportion. This is going to be around for a long time.
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I appreciate that from what I can tell, the Chinese public generally took this seriously when it erupted. There are more than enough "it's all media fearmongering don't worry" types in the US that any sort of containment will be basically impossible.
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Burns posted:Some days i really wonder whether the Great Wall was meant to keep the chinese in. literally true for the section of wall built by the Qing to separate Manchuria from the rest of China
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Mr. Nice! posted:Question for china goons, some people on 4chan pulled up chinese phone records and are speculating that the 14.4m canceled accounts in the past few months represent the actual death toll from covid-19. I know nothing of the chinese cell phone setup. The poster claimed that people simply do not cancel phone accounts like that because it is linked to alipay. Any credibility to this claim? take for instance, a random name at the top of the list citizen "Rice Roll" Blistex posted:loving boomers coming back from their vacations in Mexico and The Dominican Republic are not self-quarantining. My mom ran into a guy who just got back and tried to give her a hug. When she backed up and asked what he was doing in the grocery store he laughed and just dismissed it as blown out of proportion. This is going to be around for a long time. hope he gets Montezuma's revenge
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Mr. Nice! posted:Question for china goons, some people on 4chan pulled up chinese phone records and are speculating that the 14.4m canceled accounts in the past few months represent the actual death toll from covid-19. I know nothing of the chinese cell phone setup. The poster claimed that people simply do not cancel phone accounts like that because it is linked to alipay. Any credibility to this claim? If you had a thought to use phone cancellations as a proxy for deaths then it would need to be compared to previous months to see if there was a noticable increase. All this tells you is that there were 14.4 million cancellations in the last few months.
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Shadow0 posted:My plans to go to Russia were thwarted when literally as I was being handed my visa, I was told they were closing the border that night. Blistex posted:loving boomers coming back from their vacations in Mexico and The Dominican Republic are not self-quarantining. My mom ran into a guy who just got back and tried to give her a hug. When she backed up and asked what he was doing in the grocery store he laughed and just dismissed it as blown out of proportion. This is going to be around for a long time. Fojar38 posted:It's not like everyone should straight up lie like China has but now would be an excellent opportunity for governments or media outlets to consider ways to boost public morale Shumagorath fucked around with this message at 17:46 on Mar 21, 2020 |
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Grand Fromage posted:I appreciate that from what I can tell, the Chinese public generally took this seriously when it erupted. There are more than enough "it's all media fearmongering don't worry" types in the US that any sort of containment will be basically impossible. The risk of jail time, a massive fine, or a huge hit to your social credit score is a big deterrent. Canada needs to make an example of some of these loving boomers and fine them 2-3x the cost of their yearly vacation to drive the point home. They need to publicize it as well. P.s. whenever I type "loving" into my phone now it automatically suggests "boomers" as the next word.
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Blistex posted:The risk of jail time, a massive fine, or a huge hit to your social credit score is a big deterrent. Canada needs to make an example of some of these loving boomers and fine them 2-3x the cost of their yearly vacation to drive the point home. They need to publicize it as well. It's attitude too. Korea doesn't have all the authoritarian poo poo but they still complied with the quarantines. Well, mostly anyway. Ajumma boomers. Blistex posted:P.s. whenever I type "loving" into my phone now it automatically suggests "boomers" as the next word. 
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Grand Fromage posted:It's attitude too. Korea doesn't have all the authoritarian poo poo but they still complied with the quarantines. Well, mostly anyway. Ajumma boomers. I think the school environment, olds growing up in a dictatorship, required military service, societal homogeneity, respect for doctors, better education across the board, and a lack of conspiracy theory nutjobs goes a long way towards helping with containment. There are too many FYGM/truthers/anti-establishment/plain old idiots in Canada and the US to pull off what they are doing (without a massive police and military presence to enforce it). The fact that people are intentionally gathering in large groups and avoiding self-quarantining proves (imo) that it's going to be around for a while.
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Blistex posted:I think the school environment, olds growing up in a dictatorship, required military service, societal homogeneity, respect for doctors, better education across the board, and a lack of conspiracy theory nutjobs goes a long way towards helping with containment. lack of conspiracy theory nutjobs? you know ilbe exists right it's more that people who are fygm do authority things in korea
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bob dobbs is dead posted:lack of conspiracy theory nutjobs? you know ilbe exists right I'm lumping in anti-vaxers and holistic/homeopathic morons in this group as well (since they see modern medicine and doctors as being evil pawns), which I think probably dwarfs SK's idiot demographic. With the exception of female Rasputin's cult, their CT nutjobs are not the kind of people who actively try and subvert healthcare/education and try and prevent people from seeking actual medical help.
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Blistex posted:I'm lumping in anti-vaxers and holistic/homeopathic morons in this group as well (since they see modern medicine and doctors as being evil pawns), which I think probably dwarfs SK's idiot demographic. With the exception of female Rasputin's cult, their CT nutjobs are not the kind of people who actively try and subvert healthcare/education and try and prevent people from seeking actual medical help. Evangelical 'Christians' tho
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Mr. Nice! posted:Question for china goons, some people on 4chan pulled up chinese phone records and are speculating that the 14.4m canceled accounts in the past few months represent the actual death toll from covid-19. I know nothing of the chinese cell phone setup. The poster claimed that people simply do not cancel phone accounts like that because it is linked to alipay. Any credibility to this claim? Do Chinese people still have to change cell phone numbers when they move to another region?
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Blistex posted:I'm lumping in anti-vaxers and holistic/homeopathic morons in this group as well (since they see modern medicine and doctors as being evil pawns), which I think probably dwarfs SK's idiot demographic. With the exception of female Rasputin's cult, their CT nutjobs are not the kind of people who actively try and subvert healthcare/education and try and prevent people from seeking actual medical help. Patient 31 would like to have a word and a cough with you.
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Shadow0 posted:Patient 31 would like to have a word and a cough with you. the fact that that was one person rather than a large percentage of the country is, in and of itself, telling.
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:the fact that that was one person rather than a large percentage of the country is, in and of itself, telling. On the other hand, that one person was able to infect an entire city. I mean, make no mistake, I'd rather be in Korea than America during an outbreak. Just sayin' Korea has its numerous dangerous crazies too. I'm just glad there aren't any preppers so toilet paper was never an issue. Shumagorath posted:They did you a favour. What do you mean? I don't understand.
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Groda posted:Do Chinese people still have to change cell phone numbers when they move to another region? You do if you don't want your phone bill to ~double, yes. Edit: it's possible to avoid this while keeping your number, but not everyone has the provider / use case / location to support this.
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Groda posted:Do Chinese people still have to change cell phone numbers when they move to another region? new hukou who dis
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Devils Affricate posted:new hukou who dis I tried saying this to a friend who shifted their hukou to the city we were both in, and didn't get anywhere. Wechat / qq are the main communication methods, and accounts are simple to migrate, so the concept itself fails.
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The junk collector posted:What was the source on the literal Muslim slaves being used to repopulate Chinese factories from a few pages back? There are a bunch, here's one that has more links within it: https://www.chinalawblog.com/2020/03/chinas-other-supply-chain-infection-forced-labor.html
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Grand Fromage posted:I appreciate that from what I can tell, the Chinese public generally took this seriously when it erupted. There are more than enough "it's all media fearmongering don't worry" types in the US that any sort of containment will be basically impossible. Given what I've heard from friends and family back in the states, people in Shanghai even now are taking things a lot more seriously than the US has. Also Chinese people don't believe any of the numbers either and people seem more on edge rn with "zero new cases" than they did when the new reported cases were slow but still trickling in. The same way people rn are way more worried about people coming from Japan, where miraculously very few people have contracted the disease, than coming from Korea, where they had a massive outbreak but well-publicized measures to help stop the spread. I live near the Korea and Japan town area of Shanghai, and people are very worried about people coming back from Japan in a way they don't for Korea. Blistex posted:The risk of jail time, a massive fine, or a huge hit to your social credit score is a big deterrent. Canada needs to make an example of some of these loving boomers and fine them 2-3x the cost of their yearly vacation to drive the point home. They need to publicize it as well. Mandating everyone get paid a full month's salary in Feb honestly probably helped a lot. I don't know if that was China-wide or just Shanghai, though. If you were forced to quarantine you had police/cameras at your door so yeah you weren't going anywhere and yeah there were fines/etc involved. I know about 3 people who ended up in this situation and each one was cuz someone in their direct vicinity got a confirmed case. Taiwan and Korea I know did also did fines/legal issues if you broke quarantine. It was a 1 mil NTD fine for breaking quarantine in TW. I don't think any of the three places did anything for 99% of people though, besides tell them to stay at home, though. Most of the Chinese response was local even down to your local neighborhood council which accounted for most of the execution I saw. The worst my particular apartment got was we had special tickets to prove we lived there, though I do know friends who got the whole "can only leave once every 2 days" thing. There were actually a ton of resources on what to do if your apartment complex wouldn't let you in cuz legally they had no right to do it. Generally, the police would force them to let you in. Lots of power-hungry security guards... BrigadierSensible posted:I just had a thought: They might do something if you broke a mandatory quarantine but thankfully they did not do this at all because it would discourage people, and just cause the issue you see in the US now where people don't get tested cuz they don't have insurance/money to pay for testing. I was getting text messages daily saying if you HID your illness it was a real bad thing don't do that!!! but also tons of resources for what to do if you had any symptoms, urging people to go to designated hospitals if they did and with instructions on how to get there.
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