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TriffTshngo posted:I don't really count Sting because, as much as he should've won at Wrestlemania, I don't think it really hurt him that much as a potential draw. The injury against Seth was an accident so while in hindsight the run feels underwhelming because it was 2 losses and then it was over, it was kind of out of their control. Yeah, but if he had won, they could have done Sting/'Taker at the next 'Mania, which probably would have added a few buys.
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Randaconda posted:Yeah, but if he had won, they could have done Sting/'Taker at the next 'Mania, which probably would have added a few buys.
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jesus WEP posted:I just looked up who Taker actually fought that year and did a lol I can't even remember who he fought, but I'm sure Sting would have been cooler
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How much of Eddie Kingston's gimmick is real? Because I watched a video of him in Progress going after Dragunov and expressing bitterness towards LAX and it's...just a bit tired because it seems like he does always does this, regardless of promotion, talking about how he's better than everyone in the other promotion and complaining about those that did get signed.
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Gambit from the X-Men posted:PWT have any active discount codes right now? AEW store does for 24h. DYNAMITE
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TV Zombie posted:How much of Eddie Kingston's gimmick is real? Because I watched a video of him in Progress going after Dragunov and expressing bitterness towards LAX and it's...just a bit tired because it seems like he does always does this, regardless of promotion, talking about how he's better than everyone in the other promotion and complaining about those that did get signed. that was the babyface promo of the year and if you thought otherwise youre as lost as the remaining progress fans
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TriffTshngo posted:WCW/ECW Invasion
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Randaconda posted:I can't even remember who he fought, but I'm sure Sting would have been cooler here comes the 
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I Before E posted:Allegedly Matt's wife stiffed Ibushi on Golden Elite shirt royalties and that caused bad vibes between him and the Elite guys, I don't think it's been particularly substantiated though.
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Coaaab posted:Isn't it implied from his social media postings that Ibushi comes from wealth anyway? I believe most of that comes from here: https://ibushistyle.tumblr.com/
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flatluigi posted:the entire reason why queerbaiting is an issue is that it's done by straight people to give lip service to being inclusive without being inclusive. kenny isn't straight, so it's not queerbaiting, period.
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WSAENOTSOCK posted:The casting of straight actors in queer roles is an entirely separate issue from queerbaiting. queer people playing queer roles is not queerbaiting, as much as you want it to be
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flatluigi posted:queer people playing queer roles is not queerbaiting, as much as you want it to be
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Might not be my place to get into it but the subtle 'are they or aren't they' stuff has been around forever and since bookers didn't put it on them as a gimmick it could just be the way they want(ed) to tell their story. Yearning and not spilling your guts is a very general manga/anime thing. Even though intent isn't everything, it seems like there could be situations where it does matter and differentiate some things, such that everyone can tell the same kinds of stories. I don't have the perspective that is probably necessary to argue about queerbaiting, so I'm more wondering if it's at all possible that they aren't rather than trying to say they aren't. I think if it's just a cold hard fact because of literal definitions of words then that's that, but it does present kind of a crappy roadblock to some things, in order to not be doing something lovely. edit: realized I should take into account that I can't plaster stuff like that type of story onto minorities like it's all the same. I maybe should not have posted. if this post is a bit too privileged or myopic I am ok to remove it. Oh boy. the website is running very slow for me. I don't know if it's only me. Cavauro fucked around with this message at 02:09 on Mar 20, 2020 |
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One of the weird things about the Golden Lovers reunion was just how HARD New Japan went on the romantic subtext and outright text (the confetti for the hug, the English announcers—especially Callis—talking about how you don't need to label their relationship but it was much deeper than being a tag team, Milano in tears on commentary, Cody's "KENNY DOESN'T LOVE YOU LIKE *I* LOVE YOU!" weeks earlier, the minidoc of them training at the dojo where they're clearly supposed to be more than just friends, etc), only to then abruptly abandon it. All while ROH of all places went arguably even further in that direction to set up Cody-Kenny at the New Orleans Supercard of Honor, with all of that stuff about Cody getting Brandi to kiss Kenny and make him question his sexual orientation/love for Kota. SOMETHING happened, and I doubt it was a Gedo thing given the over the top romantic reunion. Maybe something to do with Harold Meij (as a toy company guy) coming on board? Timing would kind of fit.
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hmm i didn't notice any sudden shift but maybe that was because i was following it in roh too. they weren't going to kiss so after they got back together i dont know what you do to escalate that in a new japan context. like in a will-they-wont-they plot on tv, once they get together the story has pretty much culminated
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Look, we're all still angry that the Sequel Trilogy didn't ship Finn and Poe.
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So back in the early nineties (I was in a very famous TV show) Lawler joined WWF with his heel King persona. So I like his absurd "I am the King because I call myself the King and I can also be funny" persona, but why did they not also include the brutality he had in Memphis? Maybe it's just me, but I like the idea of this goofy delusional beefy dude calling himself the King and making cracks, but then in the ring he gets all pissed off at the perceived disrespect and just becomes loving vicious. It's such a lost opportunity. I would chalk it up to the investigations into him at the time, but he's also been employed ever since.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:So back in the early nineties (I was in a very famous TV show) Lawler joined WWF with his heel King persona. So I like his absurd "I am the King because I call myself the King and I can also be funny" persona, but why did they not also include the brutality he had in Memphis? Maybe it's just me, but I like the idea of this goofy delusional beefy dude calling himself the King and making cracks, but then in the ring he gets all pissed off at the perceived disrespect and just becomes loving vicious. It's such a lost opportunity. I would chalk it up to the investigations into him at the time, but he's also been employed ever since. He kind had it at the start when he attacked Bret Hart at the KOTR but yeah he quickly went to be a comedic wrestler.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:So back in the early nineties (I was in a very famous TV show) Lawler joined WWF with his heel King persona. So I like his absurd "I am the King because I call myself the King and I can also be funny" persona, but why did they not also include the brutality he had in Memphis? Maybe it's just me, but I like the idea of this goofy delusional beefy dude calling himself the King and making cracks, but then in the ring he gets all pissed off at the perceived disrespect and just becomes loving vicious. It's such a lost opportunity. I would chalk it up to the investigations into him at the time, but he's also been employed ever since. It's too complex for Vince. He likes things to be a superficial, as simple, as they can be.
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Davros1 posted:It's too complex for Vince. He likes things to be a superficial, as simple, as they can be. Vince truly thinks the audience is dumb as poo poo
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Pope Corky the IX posted:So back in the early nineties (I was in a very famous TV show) Lawler joined WWF with his heel King persona. So I like his absurd "I am the King because I call myself the King and I can also be funny" persona, but why did they not also include the brutality he had in Memphis? Maybe it's just me, but I like the idea of this goofy delusional beefy dude calling himself the King and making cracks, but then in the ring he gets all pissed off at the perceived disrespect and just becomes loving vicious. It's such a lost opportunity. I would chalk it up to the investigations into him at the time, but he's also been employed ever since. I wonder how it would have all gone over -- Lawler was obv playing a heel in WWF, but was THE massive babyface in Memphis. How would WWF fans have reacted to that? At that point I think it might have been absurd to try what they did later with Bret (face in one place, heel everywhere else).
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Oh, I'm talking about keeping him a heel. But have his gimmick continue as this delusional self-aggrandizing rear end in a top hat that is the King because he says so, and can occasionally get off a funny crack. But then in the ring he takes out his frustrations at being perceived as a joke by cheating his rear end off and being pretty brutal. I could have enjoyed that but he was always portrayed as a joke, which makes his two-year long feud with Bret even more loving maddening.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Oh, I'm talking about keeping him a heel. But have his gimmick continue as this delusional self-aggrandizing rear end in a top hat that is the King because he says so, and can occasionally get off a funny crack. But then in the ring he takes out his frustrations at being perceived as a joke by cheating his rear end off and being pretty brutal. I could have enjoyed that but he was always portrayed as a joke, which makes his two-year long feud with Bret even more loving maddening. I'm not too familiar with WWF in 1992, except for what little I watched at work (I sold televisions), but it seemed a little too cartoony at that time for violent, bloody brawls? Am I wrong there? Plus, Lawler wasn't made by Vince, so it was gonna take a miracle to get him over. See Dusty, Harley, etc. And Lawler wasn't quite in THEIR league.
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What are the most underrated video packages? Everybody knows the Rock vs Austin WM17 one but I prefer the 19 one: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7pps7
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Randaconda posted:Vince truly thinks the audience is dumb as poo poo Taking them as a collective I'm not even sure he's wrong. Hot Take: I don't think the Nexus was that great. Their debut was awesome then Bryan left and suddenly you're left with a group where the best member is Wade Barrett, a guy who spent his entire WWE career constantly getting retooled. Slater would be another Peter Avalon in AEW, Justin was a decent flippy-do but did he have anything else going for him? Skip Sheffield didn't even have 'being Ryback' going for him, Tarver got turfed out because he was a useless turd and Otunga was a man of many talents but wrestling wasn't one of them. maybe if Barrett had become WWE champion things would change but I'm not positive they would have. ChrisBTY fucked around with this message at 19:45 on Mar 23, 2020 |
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fatherofmustard posted:What are the most underrated video packages? Everybody knows the Rock vs Austin WM17 one but I prefer the 19 one: I dont have a rip of it but the video package for Bryan Danielson vs Takeshi Morishima before their match at Final Battle 2008 was really well done and was a great summary of their 18 month feud
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ChrisBTY posted:Taking them as a collective I'm not even sure he's wrong. I could see the Nexus not working long term, but why strangle it in the crib?
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Yet all they had to do was book them as a bunch of scary guys who would pop out of the crowd, beat people up and then hold them down for Justin Gabriel to break their ribs. Even if the individual guys in the group were Not Great, it's so drat easy to book around that you'd have to be actively trying not to
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The Nexus was the definition of a faction being more than the sum of its parts, because as a crew they had a real good thing but it's not like the WWE would allow them exist without ruining them.
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karmicknight posted:The Nexus was the definition of a faction being more than the sum of its parts, because as a crew they had a real good thing but it's not like the WWE would allow them exist without ruining them. I think worst case, it could have set up Barrett and Dragon to be upper midcarders. Which you need!
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The Nexus was a huge turd waiting to happen because WWE developmental at that time sucked and all of the talent basically sucked. Really sucked. Half of the faction was just useless. Wade Barrett: Good promo, below average wrestler. Could be protected and be something. David Otunga: Horrible wrestler, OK talker but you don't need two promo only guys in a faction. Michael Tarver: Horrible wrestler, who knows what kind of a promo. Heath Slater: Good wrestler, good personality, but not really a star. Justin Gabriel: Above average wrestler, not really a great promo or personality. The Ryback: Would need to be hidden in the ring, just like Wade. Darren Young: Really bad wrestler, I guess an ok personality? Bryan: Gone after week 1. This was not a recipe for success especially after the locker room chased them off. I get why people were excited at the time but it has been 10 years you can admit WWE's horrible talent evaluation and training was not going to lead to anything good.
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justin gabriel is very handsome
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Alaois posted:justin gabriel is very handsome MRT is just jealous of Carlito’s hair.
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John Cena never wore the shirt
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I don't know why, but a random question popped into my head earlier: was there a definitive point where the "What" chants took on an (annoying) life of their own, or was it pretty much immediately after Austin started doing them?
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Angle also made them work great. From memory (which admittedly ain't the best) I believe it was after Austin and Angle left that the What!?! chants got out of control, because it also coincided with Vince becoming more of a micro-manager who insisted wrestlers stick to their scripts and speak in a cadence that left giant gaps for the audience to fill, but the wrestlers also weren't allowed to improv against them like Austin and Angle did. So maybe roughly 2006ish?
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Based on those scripts that got leaked a few years ago, there are literal instructions for the wrestler to "pause for reaction." The problem, of course, comes when he's not saying anything interesting and the crowd decides to make up their own reaction. You'd think the company would recognize this problem and adjust their promo style to better control the crowd, but that's just silly talk.
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