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mcbexx
Jul 4, 2004

British dentistry is
not on trial here!



Echo is on the PTR now.
From a couple of minutes on the training range she feels like a DPS Zenyatta with added mobility and a fun ult.

Does focusing beam pierce? Would be huge for Gravitons.

mcbexx fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Mar 19, 2020

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Manatee Cannon
Aug 26, 2010



her ult is kinda crazy

mcbexx
Jul 4, 2004

British dentistry is
not on trial here!



Manatee Cannon posted:

her ult is kinda crazy

It copies the ult status as well I think? If so, double yeah.

Spring Break My Heart
Feb 15, 2012
Why the gently caress did they add another DPS.

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

Multiple Lucio, Brig or Ana ults in a row certainly sound fun

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011
Probation
Can't post for 5 hours!
If they do switch to 1-3-2, surely she copies a tank every time, right?

Manatee Cannon
Aug 26, 2010



mcbexx posted:

It copies the ult status as well I think? If so, double yeah.

you do get to use ult as a dup hero except ult charge rate is 650% faster

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!
So I tested it.

It seems pointless to copy healers if they aren't Mercy or Zenyatta, specifically becasue it takes significantly longer to build up the ult charge. Zen and Mercy can do better/faster damage so they can build the ult fast. However to counteract this, they both have ults that last nearly the entire length that you'll have the Echo ult going. So you can't really chain Zen or Mercys ults.

The tanks though, Roadhog and Winston, their ults go on for a bit too long so you can't chain them. Sigma's builds too slow. Hammonds builds fast however you can't technically chain his ults because the first set of mines will disappear once you send out the second. I can still see players making this work though. Zarya's builds at an okay speed, has the issue where the ult lasts a bit too long so you might only barely be able to chain them. However unlike the other ults that I tried, Zarya's gravity effect will still stay out there after you turn back into Echo, where usually the ult stuff will just vanish completely. D.Va and Reinhardt though are BONKERS. Rein gets his ult in like 1 second, D.Va is insanely fast too, and you can easily chain both of their ults. The ult gen also applies to EchoDva when she's out of her mech so you can if you're fast enough beat the bomb going off and get the mach back before the first explosion. You can chain at least two bombs with her.

I think as far as tanks go Reinhardt and D.Va are gonna be the main ones Echos will steal, Reinhardt seems like it's going to be NUTS if everyone is bunched up the whole time. His might build up faster than any other hero???

Field Mousepad
Mar 21, 2010
BAE

Spring Break My Heart posted:

Why the gently caress did they add another DPS.

Because dps is fun you stupid idiot rear end in a top hat

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


Field Mousepad posted:

Because dps is fun you stupid idiot rear end in a top hat

Then they should let there be more than 2 dps per team.

Field Mousepad
Mar 21, 2010
BAE
I don't control the que sir sorry

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

SKULL.GIF posted:

Then they should let there be more than 2 dps per team.

keep coming back to this game now and then because of friends, and god drat the 3dps queue was the best thing they ever did

there needs to be a for reals OW2 that doesn't have all the grotesque design problems this one does like reliance on shield tanks and healing being so powerful

pointlessone
Aug 6, 2001

The Triad Frog is pleased with this custom title purchase.
I'm legit hoping OW2 brings 2-3-2 into play. Buff the tanks with the abilities they had during the 1-3-2 test, add the 7th person to each team.

Honestly, they'll have had years at that point to have optimized to 14 players a match, there's no reason not to.

emgeejay
Dec 8, 2007

pointlessone posted:

I'm legit hoping OW2 brings 2-3-2 into play. Buff the tanks with the abilities they had during the 1-3-2 test, add the 7th person to each team.

Honestly, they'll have had years at that point to have optimized to 14 players a match, there's no reason not to.
At what point? They haven't been working on this, at all. It's never going to happen.

teagone
Jun 10, 2003

That was pretty intense, huh?

pointlessone posted:

I'm legit hoping OW2 brings 2-3-2 into play. Buff the tanks with the abilities they had during the 1-3-2 test, add the 7th person to each team.

Honestly, they'll have had years at that point to have optimized to 14 players a match, there's no reason not to.

Lol, nah.

drrockso20
May 6, 2013

Has Not Actually Done Cocaine
I say up it to 12v12* and embrace the madness

*6 Damage, 3 Tanks, and 3 Support per team

Runa
Feb 13, 2011

Teams just feel way too small in this game and there should be a casual "big brawl" mode in the Arcade for when you just stop giving a drat.

drrockso20 posted:

I say up it to 12v12* and embrace the madness

*6 Damage, 3 Tanks, and 3 Support per team

Yeah, like that

Ad by Khad
Jul 25, 2007

Human Garbage
Watch me try to laugh this title off like the dickbag I am.

I also hang out with racists.
12v12 would see some pretty long overtimes unless they changed the overtime respawning, which they certainly could do

I dunno if you guys have ever had a single overtime last an hour but they occur in total mayhem sometimes and they are tiring

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Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

Let's do the space-time warp again!

Yea, the unrelenting overtime is the main reason I don't play Total Mayhem much. I think you'd need to set some sort of overtime cap, or make it so that it doesn't reset whenever someone gets back on point (ie, you have a fixed overtime bar that burns down but never recovers, so it can be depleted in several separate engagements).

Father Wendigo
Sep 28, 2005
This is, sadly, more important to me than bettering myself.

Ad by Khad posted:

12v12 would see some pretty long overtimes unless they changed the overtime respawning, which they certainly could do

I dunno if you guys have ever had a single overtime last an hour but they occur in total mayhem sometimes and they are tiring


Maybe make point control be whoever has the most people on it, and it's only 'contested' when there's an equal amount of both team's players on it? Also make moves like Mei's self heal not count for contesting the point?

Zazz Razzamatazz
Apr 19, 2016

by sebmojo
Why don't they just disable overtime for total mayhem games?

When the timer runs out- that's it. Game over (man). However far you pushed the cart is it.

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

No matter how bad something that's "part of the game" is, if you change it, pants will be shat.

resistentialism
Aug 13, 2007

It'd just be defense wins every game then.

Field Mousepad
Mar 21, 2010
BAE
It kinda does already though

Ad by Khad
Jul 25, 2007

Human Garbage
Watch me try to laugh this title off like the dickbag I am.

I also hang out with racists.
The attacking side in TM is already disadvantaged enough. More than enough

Ignis
Mar 31, 2011

I take it you don't want my autograph, then.


Playing Total Mayhem in neverending Overtime is kind of the charm of that mode :colbert:

Father Wendigo
Sep 28, 2005
This is, sadly, more important to me than bettering myself.

resistentialism posted:

It'd just be defense wins every game then.

Okay, it's CTP only.

What now, spoilsport? :colbert:

Ad by Khad
Jul 25, 2007

Human Garbage
Watch me try to laugh this title off like the dickbag I am.

I also hang out with racists.
it wouldnt exist? total mayhem is only escort and hybrid

also the neverending overtime is fine, it doesnt usually last THAT long and it is plenty fun in moderate amounts

a control-only version of TM would have issues too, considering winston can get from spawn to point in just a few seconds, literally flying right over the enemy team

headcase
Sep 28, 2001

damnit, I missed goat brig! I thought there would be some warning that it was going away.

Dr Christmas
Apr 24, 2010

Berninating the one percent,
Berninating the Wall St.
Berninating all the people
In their high rise penthouses!
🔥😱🔥🔫👴🏻
Is anyone up for forming a group for the tougher Archives achievements? I need Storm Surging, the ones for beating Extraction and Storm Rising on legendary, and the two for beating games on expert/legendary with no incapacitations. The goon discord seems pretty dead.

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

Let's do the space-time warp again!

headcase posted:

damnit, I missed goat brig! I thought there would be some warning that it was going away.

I hope they allow those OWL skins to come back sometime, there are some good ones that people can't get anymore. I managed to grab that Tracer one, but missed a Lucio that was pretty awesome.

Ignis
Mar 31, 2011

I take it you don't want my autograph, then.


Dr Christmas posted:

Is anyone up for forming a group for the tougher Archives achievements? I need Storm Surging, the ones for beating Extraction and Storm Rising on legendary, and the two for beating games on expert/legendary with no incapacitations. The goon discord seems pretty dead.

IgnisHikari#1357 I'm in Overchill around nights central, if you wanna give it a whirl

e: I just assumed you're NA lol

Ignis fucked around with this message at 04:19 on Apr 1, 2020

Ignis
Mar 31, 2011

I take it you don't want my autograph, then.


https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/news/23388102/refining-hero-pools-and-retiring-map-pools

I like how even in this new version, Paris and Horizon get shafted lol

Edmund Lava
Sep 8, 2004

Hey, I'm from Brooklyn. I'm going to call myself Mr. Friendly.

Ignis posted:

https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/news/23388102/refining-hero-pools-and-retiring-map-pools

I like how even in this new version, Paris and Horizon get shafted lol

Are they still using cats and lotto drums to determine hero bans? Seems like a mistake if not

headcase
Sep 28, 2001

huh.. I have liked horizon since it's last rework. It is pretty interesting to attack and defend. It also favors a wide range of non-standard heros.


Paris is miserable to play all around. I have no idea how to approach point B on attack unless you have some crazy good hitscan. Tanking is a poo poo show. Even so, I have no Idea how to defend it either. I just plan on losing that map unless I get carried by DPS.

Malloc Voidstar
May 7, 2007

Fuck the cowboys. Unf. Fuck em hard.

Edmund Lava posted:

Are they still using cats and lotto drums to determine hero bans? Seems like a mistake if not
as far as I can tell they're using high rank ladder play to determine hero pools

pointlessone
Aug 6, 2001

The Triad Frog is pleased with this custom title purchase.

headcase posted:

huh.. I have liked horizon since it's last rework. It is pretty interesting to attack and defend. It also favors a wide range of non-standard heros.


Paris is miserable to play all around. I have no idea how to approach point B on attack unless you have some crazy good hitscan. Tanking is a poo poo show. Even so, I have no Idea how to defend it either. I just plan on losing that map unless I get carried by DPS.

Paris would be a fantastic map if this wasn't a fast paced team shooter. There's hundreds of tiny little touches that are details about day to day life is like for normal life outside of the Overwatch factions. It's civilian all the way through, and by far the best map they've made to build the world non verbally. Paris would make a tremendous pve map where an actual story could be told using this amazing set they've built. Instead, it's now nearly universally hated by the playerbase and is just misery to play because of poor design choices overall.

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


Horrible chokepoints on the first point has been a problem plaguing this game for years, and then with Paris they went and made the chokepoint even narrower. :psyduck:

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.
Would something analagous to the windows on Hanamura fix it?

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Ignis
Mar 31, 2011

I take it you don't want my autograph, then.


Put a ladder to the left side's roof

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