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Elfface posted:Ah, the Doc Savage approach. Wow I wasn’t expecting to see a Doc Savage reference in ADTRW haha. I read the poo poo out of the whole series when I found them in one of my dad’s old boxes years ago. I would love to see that rebooted in some fashion! Also was anyone else expecting a little bit more from that fight? I know it sticks to the webcomic well but I though Murata would give us more
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Is Mangadex down now or is my phone acting up? I can't read the new chapter. 
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Shadow0 posted:Is Mangadex down now or is my phone acting up? I can't read the new chapter. yeah, its down
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Reiche posted:Wow I wasn’t expecting to see a Doc Savage reference in ADTRW haha. I read the poo poo out of the whole series when I found them in one of my dad’s old boxes years ago. I would love to see that rebooted in some fashion! That was the fight in its base form. We'll see the final updated version by June, just like with Child Emperor and Flashy Flash.
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Mar 24, 2020 05:49
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It's interesting that Alloy lost his hair when he got stronger, much like Saitama did, though Alloy's strength pales in comparison to that of Saitama's.
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Mar 24, 2020 07:47
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ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:It's interesting that Alloy lost his hair when he got stronger, much like Saitama did, though Alloy's strength pales in comparison to that of Saitama's. That happens to bodybuilders a lot IRL, since their drugs can cause hair loss. I assumed it was just part of the look they wanted for his design.
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Mar 24, 2020 09:47
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ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:It's interesting that Alloy lost his hair when he got stronger, much like Saitama did, though Alloy's strength pales in comparison to that of Saitama's. He probably used A/C on a few of those hot summer says, reducing his progress.
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Mar 24, 2020 13:24
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Are they being racist against japanese people? Since he ascended to become a superior black man
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Mar 24, 2020 15:08
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I was waiting for this chapter to come out to see the reaction and it seems basically the same as mine. It's a really odd choice. That said, I love how he grows from here on out. The dude is in for a wild ride now.
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To anyone more familiar with Japanese culture, is this Darkshine issue just a matter of a cultural "blind spot"? It seems inconceivable to me (a North American) that both ONE and Murata (and, presumably, any other members of their publishing team) could be completely oblivious to the problem of your story's only apparent black character, not actually being a black person. It's just weird, since it would be so easy for the manga to just ret-con that Darkshine is black. It's also weird to me that the change in skin tone goes completely un-commented on. Is "body-builders always use bronzers/fake tans" really such a well known thing that everyone would just get it?
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Mar 24, 2020 17:42
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Japan is not a country famous for its... Even handed treatment of foreigners, and racist depictions of black people are pretty common in anime (I stopped watching Kuroko no Basket after they introduced the African basketball player who was dumb as rocks, spoke like an idiot, but was ATHLETICALLY SUPERIOR). Wasn't it even a plot point in Eyeshield 21? The bar is the floor, so I'm not surprised at all.
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Bucswabe posted:To anyone more familiar with Japanese culture, is this Darkshine issue just a matter of a cultural "blind spot"? It seems inconceivable to me (a North American) that both ONE and Murata (and, presumably, any other members of their publishing team) could be completely oblivious to the problem of your story's only apparent black character, not actually being a black person. It's ill advised and at this stage, someone should've told them something. But I feel it comes from the same place of obliviousness as Pokemon Black/White 2 in which a black gym leader from BW1 is retired, and this guy gets to be a gym leader  Now look at him again, but at his hips and feet. Skintone and tans have a pretty wide range over there. I'm not saying this is right or anything. And yeah, i'd agree that retconning Darkshine to always having been dark skinned would have been the best, but this scenario is born from something sorta common rather than a place of malice.
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Mar 24, 2020 18:20
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I mean, even the anime assumed he was black. This was how he looked in season 1, That ain't skin bronzer!
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Mar 24, 2020 18:33
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Skippy McPants posted:I mean, even the anime assumed he was black. This was how he looked in season 1, The dub voice actor is African-American as well.
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Yea it's just a big missed opportunity really. SA is a cool character and this takes away from it a bit. Of course if they did the retcon then we would have an entirely different argument about ruining the original vision of the character. Now to wait for the anime only watchers to catch up to this scene. (Who knows, maybe it will be retconned then)
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Mar 24, 2020 18:47
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MorningMoon posted:It's ill advised and at this stage, someone should've told them something. But I feel it comes from the same place of obliviousness as Pokemon Black/White 2 in which a black gym leader from BW1 is retired, and this guy gets to be a gym leader If there's one thing I've learned in my life is that skin tone doesn't mean poo poo if you don't look caucasian. Being blasian is a nightmare.
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AfricanBootyShine posted:Japan is not a country famous for its... Even handed treatment of foreigners, and racist depictions of black people are pretty common in anime (I stopped watching Kuroko no Basket after they introduced the African basketball player who was dumb as rocks, spoke like an idiot, but was ATHLETICALLY SUPERIOR). Wasn't it even a plot point in Eyeshield 21? Yup, there was a black dude called Panther Spencer or something, and no-one could match his top speed, so they had use special techniques and pure skill to overcome his SUPERIOR ATHLETICISM. Then Panther got tutored by a formerly racist white guy, and learned all of his techniques and became unbeatable. So yeah.
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Mar 24, 2020 19:19
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I don't think there's any way to fix Darkshine. If they made him black it wouldn't fix that he looks like a racist caricature on steroids.
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AfricanBootyShine posted:I don't think there's any way to fix Darkshine. If they made him black it wouldn't fix that he looks like a racist caricature on steroids. Mr. Popo looks like a racist caricature. Darkshine looks like a muscular black man.
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Mar 24, 2020 22:06
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Setting Mr. Popo as the standard is unfair. It's like using lynching as the standard for whether something is racist or not. Darkshine is 'merely' a big lipped beast of a man.
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Mar 24, 2020 22:14
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AfricanBootyShine posted:Darkshine is 'merely' a big lipped beast of a man. Its true that he is a large man who has lips, but he's not depicted as beastly. That'd be the dude who's all jagged edges who's fingers turn claws when he's in motion, and who's name is "Wolf."
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Darkshine honestly seems to be portrayed as one of the most thoughtful and empathetic characters even before this point. He was the only S Class to attempt to keep everyone working together during the Boros stuff as well. He’s a big guy but he’s not portrayed as a dumb person or a jerk jock. If he was of African descent he’d be far less offensive then Puri Puri Prisoner for example, and honestly if he’d always had dark skin his story wouldn’t really suffer at all imo. The jerk jock character is the various Tank Tops and even then Tank Top Master seems to be the most good-hearted of the lot too. Lord_Magmar fucked around with this message at 23:40 on Mar 24, 2020 |
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Mar 24, 2020 23:38
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Tank Top Master is a golden hearted man
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He's friends with the best hero Mumen Rider so he's good
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Mumen Rider is the best hero When Saitama tells him he did a good job against the Sea King 
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gently caress I forgot about Homeless Emperor wonder how that is gonna get resolved wonder how all them fights get resolved
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Probably in one punch.
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verbal enema posted:gently caress I forgot about Homeless Emperor wonder how that is gonna get resolved Atomic Samurai is probably my favourite S Class, and it kills me that my dude's been dangling by his hair in Black Sperm's giant hand-head for, like, months...
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Atomic Samurai owns and is a very good teacher BUT HE DIDNT TELL THEM HOW TO CUT WATER NOOO
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Warden posted:Yup, there was a black dude called Panther Spencer or something, and no-one could match his top speed, so they had use special techniques and pure skill to overcome his SUPERIOR ATHLETICISM. Then Panther got tutored by a formerly racist white guy, and learned all of his techniques and became unbeatable. I still think people are blowing this way out of proportion. The coach is racist and sucks, yes. Panther is a 6' tall dude who does freerunning all the time to practice, no poo poo he's a good runningback. Also there's a cool black dude in an anime I saw once. His name is Simon Brezhnev he's very strong and sells good sushi.
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I mean, it always kind of struck me as weird to call Panther racist, given that his whole arc (aside from his actual physical abilities, which were amazing because he was an amazing physical prodigy (as some people are, he was the Michael Phelps of runningbacks) who also worked super-duper hard every single day (he basically got both shonen tropes in one)) was based around how incredibly stupid and pointless and without any merit racism is. Like, every single player on his team loved him (Panther), and thought their coach was being incredibly dumb for allowing his racism to blind himself to reality, spending basically their entire game in the series trying to convince him to stop being such a stupid goddamn racist and put Panther in, because he's awesome and worked hard to deserve his spot on the field. Then the coach eventually gets it through his big dumb Texan head that maybe his racism was actually bad and dumb after all, and he was wrong to believe in it just because he was bitter about having lost a runningback spot of his own back in his younger days to a black man, upon which he'd gone all-in on his racism in that whole 'one bad experience with a minority group can turn a dumb person into a *ist/phobe' thing. Seriously, that whole arc could have been an exceptionally long and better-written Afterschool Special on why Racism is Bad. I also wrote out a seriously way too long paragraph on why Darkshine isn't inherently racist as a character, but it's one of those positions where the more you write out defending your position and citing various facts, the worse you wind up looking, so I deleted it all. I still maintain that, though.
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EimiYoshikawa posted:I mean, it always kind of struck me as weird to call Panther racist, given that his whole arc (aside from his actual physical abilities, which were amazing because he was an amazing physical prodigy (as some people are, he was the Michael Phelps of runningbacks) who also worked super-duper hard every single day (he basically got both shonen tropes in one)) was based around how incredibly stupid and pointless and without any merit racism is. So, yeah, the Panther arc walks a real thin line between "this is depicting racism" and "this is racist" and it doesn't help that Hiruma, the character who is Always Right, goes on and on about the muscles that only blacks posses. Then Panther comes back for the series's final game and all that criticism of racism is replaced with a lazy black celebrity and a lot more celebration of genetic superiority. That last game was total rear end.
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To be fair, Hiruma is also completely full of poo poo about 80% of the time. And I try to pretend that last game doesn't exist for numerous reasons, of which that is one.
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EimiYoshikawa posted:To be fair, Hiruma is also completely full of poo poo about 80% of the time. I thought that last game was really good! Ending Eyeshield at the Christmas Bowl was a good choice that brought everyone's stories full circle. There definitely wasn't an extra 30+ chapters of Japan going up against the insurmountable genetics of America. ...and while the character Darkshine is thoughtful and empathetic, his design still doesn't sit well with me.
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The NASA game isn't weird and sorta gross about race because it shits on Panther or anything, I'd even say Panther himself is a good and cool character that's treated well, it's because of the weird exceptionalism that every character gets into about black athletes. Like Sena going "drat the natural arm length of a black man makes his running form perfect! I can't hope to catch him" and then the arc showing yeah, Sena's right. The comic isn't rude to Panther or anything the arc just gets occasionally super weird about him.
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While we are talking about racism, I was watching Terraformars because it looked interesting. After the third or so episode I couldn't really work out what was problematic about the antagoist creatures "Terraformar", something just felt off. Then I realised they're just thinly vieled Africans lol: I think they rape one of the few female characters. It's so popular there's a live action: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCq4baH2vzI
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I thought Darkshine was just supposed to be Ronnie Coleman
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Japan is pretty backwards when it comes to race and gender
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AfricanBootyShine posted:Darkshine is 'merely' a big lipped beast of a man.  
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I guess he's basically a darker prince/king kinikku but without the fish-fin the lips look a lot different.
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