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Haven't had much time to toy with the twin fists, but is there any real use for the uppercut other than it just being another button to proc a different boon?
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With the default fists I don't think so. The two aspect upgrades change things up a bit. But yea the fists are a very focused playstyle, to a fault.
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Mar 22, 2020 17:39
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It hits twice doing 30 base damage each and also has some forward momentum so you could use it to move around a bit. The Talos aspect pulls enemies in and gives a damage bonus for attacking and maybe casting. The Demeter aspect gets a bunch of extra hits each time you land ten attacks.
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Mar 22, 2020 17:44
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Every twelve attacks, annoyingly, not ten. So it takes a little more than 2 full combos.
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Mar 22, 2020 18:41
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Lichtenstein posted:Haven't had much time to toy with the twin fists, but is there any real use for the uppercut other than it just being another button to proc a different boon? It had a bit more splash in my experience, better for swarms of weaklings. Though that might have been due to the boons I put on it.
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Mar 22, 2020 18:52
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Magus42 posted:Every twelve attacks, annoyingly, not ten. So it takes a little more than 2 full combos. I think that cross-punch Daedalus upgrade counts as part of the attack combo too, so technically that's 2 if you don't mind not dashing 
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Mar 22, 2020 19:05
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Lichtenstein posted:Haven't had much time to toy with the twin fists, but is there any real use for the uppercut other than it just being another button to proc a different boon? Not really, no. They have some area but that's it. The hammer upgrades on the special are good, but even with Demeter fist the playstyle is charge up the special, dump the special. The bulk of fist damage comes from auto-attacks. Zeus attack or support fire at normal rarity will probably outdamage anything else at heroic. If you want to use Demeter fists, they need to be level 5; a charged special effectively becomes a call with way less charge time. You need a damage boon on the special with Demeter fists, since you're not using that thing for utility. I think priority boon priority on the special for the Demeter fists is Artemis >>> Poseidon > Athena/Demeter/Aphrodite >>>>>>>>> don't bother with the others. E: and of course Athena's dash solves so many problems on the fists.
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Mar 22, 2020 20:05
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Omobono posted:The bulk of fist damage comes from auto-attacks. Especially when the stars align:  (max rank Zagreus for 15% atk.spd/dodge) My survivability on Hades was garbage (went through all of my cheat deaths) but the damage output was crazy.
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Mar 22, 2020 21:15
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Punch special is good to finish up enemies faster on early floors, I think you have some i-frames on it too. On Zagreus aspect you're gonna kinda start using it as a proc button later on, but don't sleep on it as a way to kill big dudes faster.
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Mar 23, 2020 02:09
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I didn't even know another one of these was due!quote:Early Access Patch 043 - March 24, 2020
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Mar 25, 2020 05:04
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quote:Primordial Chaos now sometimes speaks via the Shield of Chaos (Chaos Aspect) after a certain point... The most intriguing line of the patch notes. Is it just a voice proc when you're running around with the Chaos Aspect?
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Mar 25, 2020 06:48
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I just want a patch update where Zag mutters 'Another one bites the dust' after clearing a room. Is that too much to ask?!
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Mar 25, 2020 09:23
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Been doing some zero Heat runs trying to coax out the Chaos legendary. No luck so far, and man is it a bummer to deliberately pass on boons and god trials in order to hold onto a Yarn and/or Refreshing Nectar in the hope of getting a Chaos gate. And then not even getting a gate. It is baffling that this thing is so rare; all it is is an extra Death Defiance. There are a ton of other ways to get one of those! Even if this one adds to your total rather than replenishes a lost one, there is no world in which this boon is so good it needs to be this rare. But, in the meantime I've discovered that Zeus shield is pretty fun. I was neglecting that aspect a lot. I had the Dionysus special on it and that worked really well. Manipulating the shield around a room by throwing and recalling as you move about is a good time. I have a feeling it doesn't perform as well once you crank up the heat, but for these low-stress casual runs it's nice.
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Mar 29, 2020 19:50
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Does yarn affect getting that? I read it as rank upgrades, which wouldn't apply since there's no lower rank version.
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Mar 29, 2020 20:04
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Yarn I think helps? It forces things to spawn with a minimum rarity, and certain abilities can't spawn as common, so depending on how it rolls boons the additional rarity might enable more teir2+ stuff. Anecdotally (and possibly confirmation-biased), it helps me get the teir2 stuff to make synergies work.
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Mar 29, 2020 20:10
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I guess it depends on whether Legendary/Duo boons are a Rarity or a Tier. The whole rarity/tier/level thing is actually kind of confusing, particularly for new players, and the game could probably do a better job explaining it. I generally also feel like the Yarn helps to get those, but yeah, like Serephina says, might just be confirmation bias. edit: I would be disappointed a little if it doesn't, to be honest, cause that means there's even less I can do myself to raise the chance of seeing this dumb boon. The final boon I need! Where is it!! edit2: Also give me a Chaos fishing spot some time, maybe. I saw that new Poseidon boon that gives a higher chance for fishing spots to spawn exactly once, when it was forced as your first post-patch Poseidon boon, and never again. edit3: Having now read this... quote:Chaos Gates will only begin spawning after 11 completed runs. They cannot appear in shops, in boss rooms, or in the chamber immediately after a boss. Two Chaos Gates will not spawn within 8 chambers of each other. Gates grow less common in each successive area, and are unable to spawn naturally after the sixth chamber of Elysium. However, a Light of Ixion can override the above conditions and cause a Gate to spawn regardless. ...I'm conflicted on whether it's better to use Fated Persuasion re-rolls on a Well in the hope of getting a Light of Ixion, or keep them for the actual gate. I suppose I should be keeping track of these spawn rules in my next runs so I can make wiser calls on this. Sway Grunt fucked around with this message at 20:51 on Mar 29, 2020 |
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Mar 29, 2020 20:31
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In my anecdotal experience rarity upgrades don't help with Duo or Legendary boons, as those aren't really rarities. But who knows For the Chaos legendary boon it's only ever been offered to me after taking other chaos boons. Always buy chaos gates and you'll get it eventually, but I always take chaos gates anyway so I've gotten the legendary boon a few times just playing normally (which is probably what you should do instead of grinding)
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Mar 29, 2020 21:14
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Defo use the rerolls to force the Chaos Gate to spawn. I've gone entire runs with an egg trinket and no chaos, so push that if you can. Optimally, keep a reroll for the boons themselves, hunt down key-reward rooms, and maybe rejig your mirror upgrades if it can squeeze another reroll? It's good practice anyways playing w/o mirror upgrades, good fun at low heat.
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Mar 29, 2020 21:20
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I see that Chaos boon pop up now and then, but it is intentionally very rare. Like others have said, going to every gate available with the egg is the best tactic. Also, if you're specifically hunting for legendary boons, you should also consider turning on and maxing out the alternate mirror upgrade that improves their drop rate. I wouldn't use that at pretty much any other time, but I have found it useful for that purpose.
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Mar 29, 2020 21:25
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If it stops being fun to grind for the completionist rare stuff, you could also just stop grinding and do other stuff with your time (like grind for Blood and Ambrosia).
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Or if you want to mix up the ways in which you interact with Hell you could play DOOM Eternal
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QuarkJets posted:I've gotten the legendary boon a few times just playing normally (which is probably what you should do instead of grinding) Ah but see, I've done that for 135 hours. Not to worry, though, I wouldn't be grinding if I wasn't having fun just playing the game anyway, and it's nice to do no-heat runs for a change since normally I'd be doing what Infinite Karma suggested and climbing up with each weapon. NObodyNOWHERE posted:you should also consider turning on and maxing out the alternate mirror upgrade that improves their drop rate. I wouldn't use that at pretty much any other time, but I have found it useful for that purpose. I actually turned that on when it came out and never turned it off again. Legendaries and Duos are too fun for me to pass up usually, and if it's true that their appearance isn't actually affected by the Yarn and Eurydice's Nectar then using the mirror upgrade is the only way to raise the odds of seeing them (which were lowered in the Nighty Night update iirc), while the latter two can still be used to offset the lower appearance rate of Epic boons. Serephina posted:maybe rejig your mirror upgrades if it can squeeze another reroll? It's good practice anyways playing w/o mirror upgrades, good fun at low heat. Ooh, this didn't occur to me at all. I wonder how many Chaos curses I can stack if I pour all my darkness into re-rolls. With heat turned off it matters less anyway. I'll try this today. Anyway, Doom Eternal, yeah... I'm on a ten-year-old i5-750. 
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I have been hearing so much mixed poo poo about Eternal, and it's also a single player game so there's zero reason to buy it for full retail compared to coming back to it in a few years when it's cheaper and you have a maxed out rig. I mean, if I had no impulse control I'd just go around buying early access games, and who would do that? edit: vvv yes, But nobody's buying the game for that mode. Same with Doom4, which had huge multiplayer thing that had zero relevance to sales. I'm gonna stop contributing to the derail now, there's already a dozen threads about that game. Serephina fucked around with this message at 08:15 on Mar 30, 2020 |
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DOOM Eternal has multiplayer, it just doesn't have coop. It's a slam dunk in many of the same ways that DOOM16 was It's got a really cool asymmetric multiplayer mode where 1 player is a fully-kitted Doomguy playing against 2 players as buffed-out Demons + common NPC demons, and if one player demon dies then it will respawn within 20 seconds if the other player demon is still alive.
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Glare Seethe posted:edit2: Also give me a Chaos fishing spot some time, maybe. I saw that new Poseidon boon that gives a higher chance for fishing spots to spawn exactly once, when it was forced as your first post-patch Poseidon boon, and never again. Yeah that's frustrating. Outside of the forced fish boon, I only ever seem to see it towards the end of a run where I've taken a few other Poseidon boons. And really, what's the point of taking it at the end of Elysium? You seem to be guaranteed one fishing spot in the Styx hub room, and none of the Satyr tunnels have any water anyway. I hope they go back to the drawing board on that boon, because it's just terrible in so many ways. Also Chaos fishing spots could stand to be a little bit less rare, yeah. I've seen exactly one, and it was on the same run with the forced fish boon.
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Mar 30, 2020 17:08
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Chaos fishing spots are rare because chaos fish give extremely valuable rewards, like diamonds and titan blood
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i cant fish for beans anyway. if you play on a controlled does it vibrate when a fish bites? the visual catch window is very tight and i have only caught due to dumb luck.
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Mar 31, 2020 12:42
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I use a controller and it doesn't vibrate for the cue. It took a while to notice what I was supposed to be looking for, but it's kinda trivial once you see it and I feel it has a generous window.
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Mar 31, 2020 12:48
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Molybdenum posted:i cant fish for beans anyway. The game doesn't really explain this, but there are two different visual cues when fishing. If the bob just dips a little, ignore it, or else you'll end the catch prematurely. If the bob goes properly underwater, it's a bite.
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Mar 31, 2020 12:58
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You want to look out for the flash of light and listen for the big splash. I've never missed a catch when I actually pay attention to it, only by being overly twitchy on the red-herring bobs.
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Yeah, looking for the big splash is the thing. I can consistently make a catch now. The trickier part is getting a perfect catch, which requires much faster reflexes than I seem to possess. I can at least get it sometimes now though since I realized that the max number of dips per attempt is four. So if you've got three fake ones then you know the next one is 100% going under.
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Fishing is incredibly easy on controller because the type of rumble is different when it goes fully under. You can do it with your eyes closed.
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Mar 31, 2020 15:28
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Molybdenum posted:if you play on a controlled does it vibrate when a fish bites? Yes, mine does.
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NObodyNOWHERE posted:The trickier part is getting a perfect catch I had no idea this was a thing
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BobTheJanitor posted:I had no idea this was a thing Yeah, I'm pretty sure I found out about it by accident. They don't do a good job of explaining fishing at all. You definitely want get the perfect catch when possible too, because that's the only way to get a bunch of the rare fish that are way more valuable when traded in.
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NObodyNOWHERE posted:Yeah, I'm pretty sure I found out about it by accident. They don't do a good job of explaining fishing at all. You definitely want get the perfect catch when possible too, because that's the only way to get a bunch of the rare fish that are way more valuable when traded in. My god, is this why my list of fish has a bunch of blank spots? I just assumed it was an early access not-yet-implemented thing. Turns out I am just bad at games
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BobTheJanitor posted:My god, is this why my list of fish has a bunch of blank spots? I just assumed it was an early access not-yet-implemented thing. Turns out I am just bad at games https://hades.gamepedia.com/Fishing Spoilers of course.
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BobTheJanitor posted:My god, is this why my list of fish has a bunch of blank spots? I just assumed it was an early access not-yet-implemented thing. Turns out I am just bad at games You might not be bad, even a perfect catch only has a 5% chance to catch a legendary fish, of which there is one for each biome. Plus theres the three fish for chaos which has a super low chance to even spawn a fishing spot in the first place; Ive never seen one. So thats six fish you might never have seen purely due to RNG
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Kuros posted:https://hades.gamepedia.com/Fishing Wafflecopper posted:You might not be bad, even a perfect catch only has a 5% chance to catch a legendary fish, of which there is one for each biome. Plus there’s the three fish for chaos which has a super low chance to even spawn a fishing spot in the first place; I’ve never seen one. So that’s six fish you might never have seen purely due to RNG Ah, so a perfect catch isn't something the game notifies you about, just an internal check? Maybe I'm getting them and just not knowing it. I had worked out that there was some rarity system going on under the hood, between the charps and chlams or knuckleheads and hellfish, etc. But I have never seen a single one of those legendary fish either way.
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BobTheJanitor posted:Ah, so a perfect catch isn't something the game notifies you about, just an internal check? As far as I know there's no notification, but then I've never caught a legendary fish either. I do feel like I've been pretty drat quick on some of my catches though, and I've had a decent number of rares, definitely more than the 5% you get on a normal catch. But maybe we're both just bad after all.
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