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Yvonmukluk posted:D'oh, I missed the 'teen' qualifier. It was Ewing's New Avengers (the one after Secret Wars). Not strictly a teen book, Hawkeye's hanging around, but yeah.
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Mar 21, 2020 22:05
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Generation X is really great until Bachalo leaves. New X-Men also has its ups and downs but has some really fantastic characters all throughout the run.
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Mar 21, 2020 22:15
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Codependent Poster posted:Generation X is really great until Bachalo leaves. New X-Men also has its ups and downs but has some really fantastic characters all throughout the run. Which New X-Men?
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Mar 21, 2020 22:17
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Skwirl posted:Which New X-Men? It's after Morrison's run. I think it had the subtitle Academy X, but not sure if it started out with that. After checking, on unlimited it's just called New X-Men and starts in 2004.
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Mar 21, 2020 22:22
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Wolverine and the X-Men was a brilliant teen team-ish book.
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Mar 21, 2020 22:30
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Skwirl posted:So I should skip straight to New Warriors then? Check out Thor 411-412 for their introduction, and a great Thor/Juggernaut fight that they get involved with. Seconding Wolverine and the X-Men.
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Mar 21, 2020 22:33
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Seconding Unstoppable Wasp & the various Gurihiru Power Pack minis for wholesome, fun teen times. Avengers Academy has good character progression and does well with the various events to make them work for it, but I will always be a New Mutants Vol. 2. => New X-Men fan. They got me into the X-Men (so er... beware, he says after actual years of primarily X-Men back issue reading). You can read New X-Men and then follow X-23 into Avengers Academy when she joins mid-way through, before the AvX tie-in that features a lot of New X-Men, but the bulk of their stuff is here and there in the Utopia era before they mostly faded into the background. Those two get heavy at times and really progress the characters and have some memorable moments.
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Mar 21, 2020 22:48
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DigitalRaven posted:Wolverine and the X-Men was a brilliant teen team-ish book. It is also the best X-men run ever done, in my opinion. Toad 
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Mar 22, 2020 02:15
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Lord_Hambrose posted:It is also the best X-men run ever done, in my opinion. *Stares at you in Claremont.*
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Mar 22, 2020 02:25
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spider-man and the x-men
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Mar 22, 2020 02:27
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Which iron fist story/run had all the different kung fu moves with the cool names labeled? Need to refer my friend for his monk RPG character.
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Mar 22, 2020 04:15
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Nevvy Z posted:Which iron fist story/run had all the different kung fu moves with the cool names labeled? Need to refer my friend for his monk RPG character. The Fraction/Brubaker one. I can't remember if it's under Immortal Ironfist or just Ironfist, but it should be from the early-mid 2000s.
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Mar 22, 2020 04:26
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site posted:spider-man and the x-men 
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Mar 22, 2020 04:27
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Spider-Man and the X-Men and Wolverine and the X-Men are both good, but not really what I was looking for. I was more looking for stuff where it's really just the kids doing their own thing, not following the lead or rebelling against a teacher figure/adult lead. New Mutants wouldn't qualify except Xavier and later Magneto are just completely absent the majority of the time.
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Mar 22, 2020 04:32
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Nevvy Z posted:Which iron fist story/run had all the different kung fu moves with the cool names labeled? Need to refer my friend for his monk RPG character. Like Skwirl mentioned, it's the Fraction one, but for what it's worth, I think basically every Iron Fist run (and some other Avengers/team stories featuring him) since then has done that same thing.
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Mar 22, 2020 05:31
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Minor spoiler for one of the last comic books to ever be released (for the foreseeable future) Holy poo poo boys, Immortal Hulk does it again. 
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Mar 24, 2020 17:46
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As someone who was a HUGE fan of Pitarra in Manhattan Projects (especially the Oppenheimer war), today's Immortal Hulk was loving incredible.
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Mar 25, 2020 13:22
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The original New Mutants is my all time favorite comic. The volume 2 to New X-Men is good but has the very unsatisfying turnover at M-Day that turned me off Kyle and Yost for years.
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Mar 25, 2020 14:31
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There are at least a dozen terrifying things in Immortal Hulk this week, but most unsettling to me is what Worldbreaker Hulk is up to...
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Mar 25, 2020 15:47
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It never ceases to amaze me how disgusting Immortal Hulk can get.
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Mar 25, 2020 23:10
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Lord_Hambrose posted:Minor spoiler for one of the last comic books to ever be released (for the foreseeable future) I genuinely cannot get over how consistently amazing it is. I'd put it up there with Aaron's Thor run if I thought there was even the slightest chance of it surviving anywhere outside of this one specific run. Also, can anybody explain to me who the scaley guy was this issue?
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Mar 26, 2020 02:57
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Nilbop posted:I genuinely cannot get over how consistently amazing it is. I'd put it up there with Aaron's Thor run if I thought there was even the slightest chance of it surviving anywhere outside of this one specific run. Devil Hulk. He appeared as a big scaley orange guy back when he was first mentioned as a concept waaaay back in Paul Jenkins' run, and more recently during the Hulk personality deliberation in Absolute Carnage: Immortal Hulk.
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Mar 26, 2020 03:08
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Hulk chat: I was a bit surprised at how easily Dario and Xemnu went down, but it was satisfying in these times to see a parasitic capitalist hoisted by his own (super gross) petard.
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Mar 26, 2020 03:16
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Chinston Wurchill posted:Hulk chat: I was a bit surprised at how easily Dario and Xemnu went down, but it was satisfying in these times to see a parasitic capitalist hoisted by his own (super gross) petard. "I never thought the psychic alien would eat my face."
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Mar 26, 2020 03:17
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How Wonderful! posted:Extrano from Englehart's New Guardians was an important landmark as an early gay character in Big Two cape comics, but nobody celebrates him because he was a poorly written cartoonish stereotype who got HIV from an HIVampire. I am a bit behind but I wanted to comment. I honestly could not believe those names were used. My friends who are gender fluid brought it up to me. I did not believe them. Does this beat Hydra Cap for clueless? As someone mentioned this could be cannon fodder move. They are New Warriors. They never last long.
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Mar 26, 2020 10:54
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bad_trotsky posted:I am a bit behind but I wanted to comment. I honestly could not believe those names were used. My friends who are gender fluid brought it up to me. I did not believe them. Does this beat Hydra Cap for clueless? As someone mentioned this could be cannon fodder move. They are New Warriors. They never last long. OG New Warriors lasted the better part of a decade.
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Mar 26, 2020 11:04
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New Warriors was the 90’s, especially the earnest and embarrassingly clueless attempts to be progressive. They even had a handicapable female minority superhero, and a character whose superpower was kickin rad skateboard tricks.
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Mar 26, 2020 16:22
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Anyone else trying to get into Donny Cates' Thor but just find themselves unable to? I enjoy the art, I enjoy Thor's redesign, I like the characters he's choosing to involve in his narrative but I'm just getting very little out of the writing.
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Mar 26, 2020 21:55
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:New Warriors was the 90’s, especially the earnest and embarrassingly clueless attempts to be progressive. They even had a handicapable female minority superhero, and a character whose superpower was kickin rad skateboard tricks. Night Thrasher was a holdover from the late 80's 
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Mar 26, 2020 22:10
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Incredibly late 80s, in that his first (cameo) appearance came out in September 1989, his first full appearance in October, and New Warriors launched in May 1990 as part of a marketing campaign (emblazoned on the first issue) titled HEROES FOR THE '90S  I think it's fair to say the New Warriors (and as the only founding member who was created solely for the book, Night Thrasher) can be considered 90s characters This also answers the trivia question "Did John Byrne ever draw Robocop?" (he did! for that cover) Edge & Christian fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Mar 26, 2020 |
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Mar 26, 2020 22:19
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*bolts up awake in the middle of the night* DID JOHN BYRNE EVER DRAW ROBO-COP?! Oh, right. Silly me. Marvel Age 86.
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Mar 26, 2020 22:50
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What are some other good "did artist X draw character Y" questions? Mark Bagley is mostly known for Spider-Man and Spider-Man adjacent stuff, but he worked on Trinity(which I've never read) and other stuff for DC, so Did Mark Bagley ever draw Amanda Waller?
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Mar 26, 2020 23:01
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Waller very well may have shown up in Trinity at some point. That book was all over the place. And New Warriors first showed up in Thor on December 89. I knew they were from the 90’s, but I didn’t know it was that early. Are they anyone’s favorite super team?
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Mar 26, 2020 23:31
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Skwirl posted:What are some other good "did artist X draw character Y" questions? What's remarkable in looking this up (and chalk it up to movie synergy) but "original" post-Crisis Amanda Waller only has 233 appearances recorded across 25 years of publication (1986-2011) but New 52/Rebirth Waller has 263 appearances across a little under nine years of existence. A big part of that was that Waller (and the Suicide Squad concept in general) was written out of comics for most of the 1990s.
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Mar 26, 2020 23:56
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Edge & Christian posted:It doesn't look like he did! She was pretty important to the DCAU Justice League Unlimited cartoon. Weird she wasn't showing up in comics when that was airing new.
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Mar 27, 2020 00:30
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I first remember seeing her in Hush and Superman/Batman.
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Mar 27, 2020 01:03
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Skwirl posted:She was pretty important to the DCAU Justice League Unlimited cartoon. Weird she wasn't showing up in comics when that was airing new. Open Marriage Night posted:I first remember seeing her in Hush and Superman/Batman. 1992-3 - About half of the issues of Eclipso (1992-1993) as part of a group trying to take him down from the shadows - Bloodbath #1 & 2 (the two-part finale of the summer annual Bloodlines crossover from 1993 featuring everyone in the DCU, she's the government agent Superman and everyone else doesn't trust not to weaponize the evil aliens) 1994 -Superboy #13 and #15, where Waller tries to reunite the Suicide Squad, she's in about four pages across the arc and they do not reform. 1995 -Spectre #31 (three page cameo defending the honor of the priest character Ostrander carried over from Suicide Squad to Spectre) 1996 -Final Night #1 (appears in one group shot panel of people uniting to stop the Sun Eater, no lines/name, does not appear for remainder of the event) 1997 - Does not appear in any comics 1998 -Hawk & Dove #4-5, the end of a weird Mike Baron mini with an all-new Hawk & Dove who were introduced by John Byrne in his GENESIS event, appeared in this mini-series and were basically never mentioned again. The climax of the mini just ignores everything from the previous six years and assumes Waller is still running Suicide Squad (or I guess an all new team with most of the old crew and shady government ties but it's not treated as a 'new' team) and she appears in a few pages ordering them to take in the new Hawk and Dove. They don't succeed, and like I said, no one ever talks about this mini again. -Chase #2 - Entirely separate from the Hawk & Dove mini-series, Amanda Waller uses her government position to create a new Suicide Squad. This team of villains betrays Chase on their first and only mission (within ten pages of being introduced) and Waller isn't seen again outside of the intro sequence. 1999-2000 - Does not appear in any comics So a trade paperback of "Amanda Waller Appearances, 1994-2000" would fit neatly in a single comic book. This is what I mean by effectively written out. In 2001 she is reintroduced (at first in the Superman books, later spreading out into crossovers like Our Worlds At War) as President Luthor's Secretary of Metahuman Affairs, and starts appearing semi-monthly as a supporting character. It's in this capacity that she appears for three panels in Hush. She has a signifcant supporting role in the first arc of Superman/Batman in 2004, and then appears sporadically in various Greg Rucka books in the lead-up to Infinite Crisis/through 52, before getting her first monthly featured role in over a decade in Greg Rucka's Checkmate, all of which happened post-JLU. I've always liked the character, so it was annoying how minimized she was post-Ostrander Suicide Squad, honestly even through the President Luthor arc. I also had a roommate in grad school who wanted to write a paper about how the Luthor/Waller relationship in Justice League Unlimited was a racist/misogynistic parody of George W. Bush and Condoleezza Rice, and no amount of trying to explain the source material (or the text of the loving show) would convince him otherwise.
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Mar 27, 2020 02:20
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Wow, I really enjoyed Chase as it came out but have not thought about it in years. I got the impression that if it had run longer Johnson would have circled back around to Waller-- it just felt like he had more to say about her than the handful of pages in #2.
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I don't even think I've thought about that Hawk and Dove miniseries in a decade, probably the last time I put it together as a set for sale in the store I worked at. Having Hawk be the woman and angry was unique at the time, I guess.
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