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NTRabbit
Aug 15, 2012

i wear this armour to protect myself from the histrionics of hysterical women

bitches




Cessna posted:

I have Germans.

But I have a lot more Soviets.

So did Stalin!

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Psyber Spine
Jan 18, 2019

I won't be getting involved in any meme wars if I can help it. As I mentioned the friend who gave me an intro game plays USA so I thought Germans would be a good thematic opposition force. I don't know much about WWII as I was a very uninterested student in my school days but now I'm a little more mature I would be interested to learn more about the period. What's a good place to start?

BlackIronHeart
Aug 2, 2004

PROCEED

Psyber Spine posted:

What's a good place to start?

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCP1AejCL4DA7jYkZAELRhHQ/videos

These guys did World War 1 in 'real time', posting an episode a week of what was happening 100 years earlier, to the week. They decided to do something similar with WW2, starting in September of 1939, and their research is top notch. They tend to do highlight episodes of units, armaments, personae, nations and more. It's a work in progress (they're in 1941 currently) but I think you'll learn a lot.

Pierzak
Oct 30, 2010

BlackIronHeart posted:

These guys did World War 1 in 'real time', posting an episode a week of what was happening 100 years earlier, to the week.
Can you link that series too? I don't see any obvious links on their WW2 channel and I'm on a WW1 binge.

ed: Nvm, it's called "The Great War" in their subscriptions.

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

We got crabs? We got crabs!
I can't help much as muc of my own image of WW2 come basically from hours upon hours of playing Hearts of Iron.

long-ass nips Diane
Dec 13, 2010

Breathe.

Psyber Spine posted:

I won't be getting involved in any meme wars if I can help it. As I mentioned the friend who gave me an intro game plays USA so I thought Germans would be a good thematic opposition force. I don't know much about WWII as I was a very uninterested student in my school days but now I'm a little more mature I would be interested to learn more about the period. What's a good place to start?

WW2 is such a huge topic that it's impossible to recommend any one thing that covers all the bases. For a relatively brief overview I like Martin Gilbert's The Second World War: A Complete History, and then from there if you want more you can find recs on any given topic.

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

We got crabs? We got crabs!
I honestly listen to youtube documentaries on my commute and soak up info that way, rather than read books (that's for Napoleonics).

There's a youtuber called TIK who makes pretty good tactical level content (ie. "a very detailed look at Stalingrad" etc) that I find good. Keep in mind he has a negative amount of knowledge about politics, and thus has painted himself in a corner where he mixes his good content with extremely butthurt videos about hos Hitler was a socialist because PARTS OF THE GERMAN STATE WAS INVOLVED IN THE ECONOMY! And any country where the state in any way regulate the economy is a socialist state. AND THE WORD SOCIALIST IS RIGHT THERE IN "NSDAP", I mean C'MON WAKE UP SHEEPLE! THEY PAID TAXES WHICH IS BASICALLY COMMUNISM!

But there are plenty of nuggets of gold in that shitheap, I promise.

https://www.youtube.com/user/TheImperatorKnight

A better youtube for WW2 content is Military History Visualized, he has tons of good content on both strategic and tactical level.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCK09g6gYGMvU-0x1VCF1hgA

The Tank Museum has great walk-arounds of famous tanks, often led by David Fletcher: a very sweet old man with an enormous mustasche, timid manners and a deep love of tanks. He's the milhist goon we all hope to end up as one day:

https://www.youtube.com/user/TheTankMuseum

Military Aviation History has pretty much everything you'd ever need to know about the aviations side, kind of mixed with let's plays of realistic flightsims.
https://www.youtube.com/user/Bis18marck70

Ilor
Feb 2, 2008

That's a crit.
Yeah, I tend to avoid TIK's stuff about the powers/leadership in general, but his various battlefield series are top-notch. He really lays out the tactical situations well, and does a good job of consulting multiple sources to try to figure out what was actually happening. There's a lot of "...but this is likely just Nazi propaganda" and "...which is a great example of post-war scape-goating" when discussing various accounts. A lot of the memoirs and "first-hand" accounts were written after the war by guys trying to avoid being painted as war criminals, so cross-checking and taking things with a grain of salt is important. This is especially true of the war on the Eastern Front.

Zuul the Cat
Dec 24, 2006

Grimey Drawer
Military History Visualized is great. I really love his videos.

Geisladisk
Sep 15, 2007

quote:

Keep in mind he has a negative amount of knowledge about politics, and thus has painted himself in a corner where he mixes his good content with extremely butthurt videos about hos Hitler was a socialist because PARTS OF THE GERMAN STATE WAS INVOLVED IN THE ECONOMY! And any country where the state in any way regulate the economy is a socialist state. AND THE WORD SOCIALIST IS RIGHT THERE IN "NSDAP", I mean C'MON WAKE UP SHEEPLE! THEY PAID TAXES WHICH IS BASICALLY COMMUNISM!

That whole episode really soured me on all of his stuff, to be honest. It made two things about him abundantly clear: The first is that he is the type of person who has an extremely hard time admitting error or changing his mind when he is shown to be completely, utterly, and factually wrong. The second is that he completely lacks self awareness of his own biases and preconceived notions, and thus cannot attempt to correct for them. Those aren't fantastic features in a documentarian.

Oh and he made a really long video about Mussolini and it was uncomfortably positive of him.

Geisladisk fucked around with this message at 19:32 on Mar 19, 2020

BlackIronHeart
Aug 2, 2004

PROCEED

Pierzak posted:

ed: Nvm, it's called "The Great War" in their subscriptions.

Yep! It's really good.

In light of this talk about other YT channels, I should mention that Indy Neidell and the team behind The Great War and World War 2 have a very clear position on warfare in general and aren't afraid to show it. The Great War episodes are rife with Indy mentioning that tens of thousands of people died that week and what a fuckin' senseless tragedy it all was.

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

Educate. Agitate. Liberate.

NTRabbit posted:

So did Stalin!

:ussr:

BUt not endless hordes you lovely rear end wargame authors!

Rascar Capac
Aug 31, 2016

Surprisingly nice, for an evil Inca mummy.
For anyone getting interested in WWII I would always recommend the BBC’s The World at War documentary series. There are 26 episodes, but I feel you can just dip in to the ones that most interest you, if you prefer.

Fish and Chimps
Feb 16, 2012

mmmfff
Fun Shoe
I got some more entrenchments from Ironclad Miniatures. Recently I finished two of them with contrast paints, but the rough surface made it difficult for the paint to flow into all the little crevices. Any idea how to improve the flow of the paint? I don't have any flow improver. Anything else that will help? Varnish? Dish soap?



The first two completed:

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

We got crabs? We got crabs!
A tiny bit of dish soap should help break water tension. I know scale modelers often use window cleaner as well as a cheaper alternative for flow improver.

Fish and Chimps
Feb 16, 2012

mmmfff
Fun Shoe
Cool, thanks. I'll give it a try.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

Geisladisk posted:

That whole episode really soured me on all of his stuff, to be honest. It made two things about him abundantly clear: The first is that he is the type of person who has an extremely hard time admitting error or changing his mind when he is shown to be completely, utterly, and factually wrong. The second is that he completely lacks self awareness of his own biases and preconceived notions, and thus cannot attempt to correct for them. Those aren't fantastic features in a documentarian.

Oh and he made a really long video about Mussolini and it was uncomfortably positive of him.
The username alone makes me instantly know what kind of person is making the videos.

Geisladisk
Sep 15, 2007

Is TiK a reference I don't get?

Endman
May 18, 2010

That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die


I wouldn’t recommend anyone watch any of his videos. The ones that seem insightful are just him regurgitating the assessments of actual historians and not his own work.

Anything that is his own work is ludicrously poorly understood, especially his understanding of economics.

I remember once he tried to own someone in the comments with a giant quote from Tooze’s book ‘Wages of Destruction’ that TIK thought meant he was proving the Nazis were socialists, but if you read literally any of the book surrounding that quote it’s obvious that Tooze is saying they sold a fake version of socialist policy to people to justify their autarky converting most of the nation’s economy for war.

TIK has an astonishing ability to misinterpret the work of much more accomplished and insightful people.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



I don't think this has been posted yet, but Duncan has uploaded a video on painting 44-45 German Grenadiers.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

Geisladisk posted:

Is TiK a reference I don't get?

It's a warhams reference. Never a good sign.

Cessna
Feb 20, 2013

KHABAHBLOOOM

Psyber Spine posted:

I won't be getting involved in any meme wars if I can help it. As I mentioned the friend who gave me an intro game plays USA so I thought Germans would be a good thematic opposition force. I don't know much about WWII as I was a very uninterested student in my school days but now I'm a little more mature I would be interested to learn more about the period. What's a good place to start?

When Titans Clashed: How the Red Army Stopped Hitler is a good start.

Fish and Chimps
Feb 16, 2012

mmmfff
Fun Shoe
Almost done with a new JOP for my Germans.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
I didn't realize Warlord was doing a whole second WW2 boats game.

Punkinhead
Apr 2, 2015

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

I didn't realize Warlord was doing a whole second WW2 boats game.

Maybe they're trying to ride the wave of World of Warships popularity (I swear no pun intended)

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

We got crabs? We got crabs!
Lot's of people were disappointed that their naval set was for the tiny boats, not the big ships that seems to be more popular among scale modelers etc. Only deal is that you need to make ranges very abstract, or you'd need at least a tennis court to fight a battle.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

lilljonas posted:

Lot's of people were disappointed that their naval set was for the tiny boats, not the big ships that seems to be more popular among scale modelers etc. Only deal is that you need to make ranges very abstract, or you'd need at least a tennis court to fight a battle.

Sounds like an ideal game for a global pandemic. Tennis courts and telescoping movement sticks.

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy
A lot of people play Naval Wargames without minis, they just use naval scale maps and plot the turns.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
Which is more realistic when you think about it.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Those bases are incredibly ugly though, like something porcelain you'd see at a thrift shop.

long-ass nips Diane
Dec 13, 2010

Breathe.

moths posted:

Those bases are incredibly ugly though, like something porcelain you'd see at a thrift shop.

I agree with you 100%. I guess they wanted to tell ships apart on the board but it's a baffling way to do it

Major Isoor
Mar 23, 2011
My order for two tanks from Warlord hasn't shipped in the last two weeks since placing the order, and now they're all on lockdown in the UK....I'm never gonna get them, aren't I? :negative:
(Oh well, I suppose they are Italian tanks, so it's not like they would've done me much good anyway, right? :v: )

EDIT: OK nevermind, I actually got it in the mail just then...they simply sent it to me without any notifications, unlike all my other orders from them.
Thanks for responding so quickly to my post here, Warlord! :v: Once I'm no longer essential at work, I'll happily smash out these soldiers and tanks!

Major Isoor fucked around with this message at 13:27 on Mar 25, 2020

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

Major Isoor posted:

My order for two tanks from Warlord hasn't shipped in the last two weeks since placing the order, and now they're all on lockdown in the UK....I'm never gonna get them, aren't I? :negative:
(Oh well, I suppose they are Italian tanks, so it's not like they would've done me much good anyway, right? :v: )

EDIT: OK nevermind, I actually got it in the mail just then...they simply sent it to me without any notifications, unlike all my other orders from them.
Thanks for responding so quickly to my post here, Warlord! :v: Once I'm no longer essential at work, I'll happily smash out these soldiers and tanks!

They won't be sending any more orders for the foreseeable future, pasting the email in case anyone didn't get or see it. Sounds like they've been winding down and your order was prolly affected by that.

quote:

Here at Warlord Games we place our responsibilities to our staff and customers in highest regard. In the current challenging times we're facing globally due to the Covid-19 crisis and following the government advice we have made the difficult but morally responsible decision to temporarily close down the business.

We know many of you will be disappointed by this step - we are all deeply upset about it but it is a necessary step to help stop the spread of the virus and get ourselves back to normal as soon as possible.

Any orders already placed with us up to 11am Tuesday 24th March GMT are being fulfilled as we wind down operations. Any orders placed after that time we will prioritise fulfilment of as soon as we reopen.

Stay at home and stay safe - normal service will resume before too long!

John Stallard, Paul Sawyer & all at Warlord Games.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
If he's been waiting two weeks then it should have been sent out. Perhaps the system wasn't updated yet?

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

Educate. Agitate. Liberate.
Heck yes! Arrived yesterday:

Endman
May 18, 2010

That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die


Anarcho-Commissar posted:

Heck yes! Arrived yesterday:



:eyepop:

Mr.Booger
Nov 13, 2004
waiting for mine, could use a new rules book to read while I sit at home...

Springfield Fatts
May 24, 2010
Pillbug
Nice, looking forward to a review and possible contrast to something like SPII.

Edit: Also that art of the redcoat getting Rock Bottomed rules.

Nash
Aug 1, 2003

Sign my 'Bring Goldberg Back' Petition
I just got my copy of M&T the other day as well. What people make the best looking figures for this time period? I figure Perry’s is the first place I’ll look.

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3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

Educate. Agitate. Liberate.
All mine are Perry, maybe I'll paint them someday.

Also I just noticed there's no flint in the musket and now I can't unsee it.

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