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Leto II is fish, but metabolically.
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Mar 26, 2020 23:31
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We are all fish
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Mar 26, 2020 23:52
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I just finished the second book and there's nothing about Ix in there. Do they show up more in the third book? I wanna know about the machine planet!
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Mar 27, 2020 02:23
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!Klams posted:I just finished the second book and there's nothing about Ix in there. Do they show up more in the third book? I wanna know about the machine planet! Ixian machines and characters are in from God Emperor onward. Also featured in House Atreides, but thats a fanfic I feel like Ix and Tleilax are the least fleshed out bits in og Dune Jack-Off Lantern fucked around with this message at 06:38 on Mar 27, 2020 |
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Mar 27, 2020 06:32
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Ix and Tleilax start out as marginalized forces that no one really likes because they gently caress around too much with machines and genetics respectively, but they're too useful to destroy. They're not as fleshed out as others but God Emperor, Heretics, and Chapterhouse delve more into it. The Ixians (no one cares about the prequels) are pretty much the leftover remnants of capitalist society overthrown during the Butlerian Jihad. They build all the advanced technology, but their greatest innovations occur under Leto II. He doesn't destroy them because his mere presence will lead them to developing the very technology (no-rooms, no-ships, and, later during the Scattering, No-planets) that humanity will need to fulfill the Golden Path. They work closely with the Tleilaxu to make Leto's waifu which is what finally, they think anyway, brings him down. No-ships are invisible to prescience and can go FTL without navigators so they cuck the guild pretty badly. It seems like the ones who went into the Scattering developed some powerful weapons (planet destroyers, neutron bomb beam things, magic anti-time net) and maybe Cyborgified themselves but we will never know and it isn't really important. The Tleilaxu are a bit more complicated. They love loving with genes and making poo poo people need. Everyone thinks they're just weird little dwarf-elves who make like replacement parts and patch your computer, but they're actually secret patriarchial Zen Islamists who have been working forever (achieving a sort of immortality through gholas) to make perfect slaves who can assume anyone's identities and memories. They genetically engineer Leto IIs waifu, make the Duncan gholas, turn the last Duncan gholas into an absolute sex king (presumably to stop the Honored Matres and gently caress all the BG into submission), and learn how to make space on demand. But before they can carry out their master plan they all get killed except one by the Honored Matres. Oh and their Face Dancers think they're the people they replaced so kinda a failure and all their women are giant lobotomized wombs. The ones that go into the Scattering presumably make all types of crazy poo poo in addition to space human-cats and two Face Dancers (Daniel and Marty) that eventually rebel and steal some Ixian technology
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Mar 27, 2020 07:53
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I liked the reveal in Heretics (?) where Waff was like "you know we look like creepy little goblins on purpose right? To put everyone off guard? We control genes so if we wanted we could just look like statuesque supermen."
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Mar 27, 2020 08:43
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I feel like that it's strongly hinted in Dune that only when they discover Duncan can regain their memories is when they gain true immortality. Also, I always have a secret hope that Dune 7, which never got written, would have been the final part of the 2nd trilogy (the two trilogies separated by GEoD), and that the final book would be the downfall of the Ixians and Tleilaxu.
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Mar 27, 2020 11:11
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Axlotl tanks are the weirdest things to come out of DUNE and that is saying a lot.
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Mar 27, 2020 12:34
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WarMECH posted:Axlotl tanks are the weirdest things to come out of DUNE and that is saying a lot. They sounds hosed up, what are they? I thought the Tlielaxu had tanks that were just like, for bringing people back to life? Is that them?
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Mar 27, 2020 16:24
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!Klams posted:They sounds hosed up, what are they? I thought the Tlielaxu had tanks that were just like, for bringing people back to life? Is that them? It's people! Axolotl tanks are made of peopleeeee!
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Mar 27, 2020 16:35
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!Klams posted:They sounds hosed up, what are they? I thought the Tlielaxu had tanks that were just like, for bringing people back to life? Is that them?
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!Klams posted:They sounds hosed up, what are they? I thought the Tlielaxu had tanks that were just like, for bringing people back to life? Is that them? They are giant wombs, the remnants of the female Tleilaxu. Not clear if they're consciencThe beauty of Herbert's writing is that a lot is left to the imagination but yeah at first you think they're just artificial wombs but nope
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Mar 27, 2020 16:55
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The tanks are the pro life movement's goal for women brought to its final, horrifying, conclusion.
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Mar 27, 2020 16:58
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If it's a twisted ghola, The tank has a way of shutting it all down
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Mar 27, 2020 17:00
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One of the few bright spots of the failson prequel books is the discovery that the very best Axlotl tanks are made from Bene Gesserits. Of course in their hands, it became more of Duniverse prequel checkbox of "Here's why the Bene Gesserits hate the Tleilaxu" but there were some intriguing elements that in more capable hands could have been expanded into a really powerful sci-fi/sociological/horror story. There's a scene of the Bene Gesserit (captured, I think?) being drugged and losing her mind to become the tank. On one hand it read like failson & Anderson using it to show how bad it "merely" is for any woman to become a flesh factory. But if you read it with the all of the backstory of Bene Gesserits from Frank's books in your head, it's actually incredibly powerful; a member of a long-running organization of women who have used their minds expertly over their bodies as their strength, forcibly losing that ability become a factory component.
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KaptainKrunk posted:They are giant wombs, the remnants of the female Tleilaxu. Not clear if they're consciencThe beauty of Herbert's writing is that a lot is left to the imagination but yeah at first you think they're just artificial wombs but nope Herbert includes a similar concept in Hellstrom's Hive, where the hive has developed the "stump", essentially a torso on external life support used for reproduction. IIRC they stumped both men and women. Some authors would go into far, far too much detail on axlotl tanks / stumps, leaving you with the impression that he's writing one-handed, but Herbert sketches things in pretty lightly, to the point where you can figure out what's going on but that's about it.
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Pham Nuwen posted:Herbert includes a similar concept in Hellstrom's Hive, where the hive has developed the "stump", essentially a torso on external life support used for reproduction. IIRC they stumped both men and women. Yeah, it's explicitly mentioned that the hive makes sexual stumps out of both men and woman. Body horror (or really any kind of horror) works best when it's deliberately vague and suggestive, rather then spelled out in explicit detail.
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Cheesus posted:One of the few bright spots of the failson prequel books is the discovery that the very best Axlotl tanks are made from Bene Gesserits. That's a neat idea but is dumb in Dune. The Bene Gesserit dislike the BT long before they find out (in Heretics) that the tanks are made from females or that the BT are actually trying to take over the universe. They are both genetic manipulators, but the BG are much more careful and subtle about it, while the BT carry out crude, reckless experiments. The BG, for all their manipulation, wish to preserve humanity and elevate it (with them guiding it, of course) and the tinkering of the BT could really gently caress up everything. They make mindless slaves, likely do some sort of human experimentation (twisted mentats), and really use direct manipulation as a blunt instrument in the view of the BG.
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I dont know posted:Yeah, it's explicitly mentioned that the hive makes sexual stumps out of both men and woman. Good horror writers know this. Even Lovecraft, and he deliberately used antiquated language for evocative effect. It's really easy to tell when a 'horror' writer is either trying way to hard to be shocking, obviously describing their masturbation fantasies, or both. Though ironically it also plays to the theme in Dune that despite the seeming motivations of the Jihad, imperial society is if anything worse about using people as tools, not only with the feudal structure and the cloning shenanigans but things like Mentat training and Suk conditioning that become detrimental to free wil, and the Gene Besserit manipulating and breeding people like prize horses.
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I dont know posted:Yeah, it's explicitly mentioned that the hive makes sexual stumps out of both men and woman. Body horror indeed. I'd stand in line to volunteer to hand-carry a backpack nuke into the hive. I've read a fair amount of horror, and the hive just inspires an existential loathing like nothing else. If it existed, I'd need to do anything to eradicate it.
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Mar 28, 2020 09:15
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euphronius posted:We are all fish A fish called Prana
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Shageletic posted:A fish called Prana Do you know where you'd be without us the good ol Corrino Imperium here to protect you? The smallest loving province in the Harkonnen Empire! Without us you'd all be speaking Bene Tleilax and going hhhmmmmmm ahhhhhhhh
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Mar 28, 2020 21:47
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I should read thread before posting
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kiimo posted:Do you know where you'd be without us the good ol Corrino Imperium here to protect you? The smallest loving province in the Harkonnen Empire! Without us you'd all be speaking Bene Tleilax and going hhhmmmmmm ahhhhhhhh death! for wanna!
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Mar 28, 2020 22:41
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inb4 "a witch called wanna"
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I dont know posted:Yeah, it's explicitly mentioned that the hive makes sexual stumps out of both men and woman. *Glares at R. Scott Bakker *
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kiimo posted:Do you know where you'd be without us the good ol Corrino Imperium here to protect you? The smallest loving province in the Harkonnen Empire! Without us you'd all be speaking Bene Tleilax and going hhhmmmmmm ahhhhhhhh You Fremen! You think you're so superior, don't you? Well you're the filth of the planet! A bunch of pompous, badly dressed, poverty stricken, sexually repressed crysknife-wielding hooligans!
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Don't call me Beast!
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Mar 29, 2020 04:10
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"Suk conditioning has nothing to do with blowjobs. I looked this up."
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Mar 29, 2020 19:14
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Dick-sukking lips stained with the juice of Sapho, the stains become a warning, it is by will alone I set my mouth in motion
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Mar 29, 2020 21:29
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Suk without rhythm unless you want a spice blow
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Mar 29, 2020 21:32
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Gonna be pretty pissed off if I drown in my own fluids before getting to see this movie, redistribute my water to the goons
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Mar 29, 2020 21:50
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Koirhor posted:Gonna be pretty pissed off if I drown in my own fluids before getting to see this movie, redistribute my water to the goons I was a friend of Koirhor... (Do you have a coffee machine I can grab?)
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Mar 29, 2020 22:11
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Anne Frank Funk posted:If it's a twisted ghola, The tank has a way of shutting it all down 
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Anne Frank Funk posted:If it's a twisted ghola, The tank has a way of shutting it all down Forgot to quote this days ago because drat.
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Remember the pre-escalator days when a quote like that would be enough to tank a political campaign, lmao
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skasion posted:The hunter seekers aren’t autonomous, just remotely operated. The one that attacks Paul was being controlled by a dude immured in the basement. Obviously something that we would call a computer is involved but it’s not like the machine is making its own decisions about who to ice. a cask of spice-winetillado
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KaptainKrunk posted:That's a neat idea but is dumb in Dune. Not only this, but the BG pragmatically accept the tech when they receive it. "Volunteers were found". And in Messiah the BG are working with Scytale with only the barest distaste. The main problem the sisterhood has is that they see the Tleilaxu as tools of the Golden Path, as Leto pretty obviously maneuvered them into spreading his religion, they actually gain respect when it is revealed they are using the Tyrants religion to cover their much older beliefs. It is something the sisterhood might do themselves, after all.
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Phi230 posted:a cask of spice-winetillado *slams fist* They're finding these Fortunatos much too easily.
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