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BlitznBurst posted:Dabi is literally the one responsible for this entire mess. Dabi going "I never trusted you in the first place" doesn't make him look cool or like he totally outplayed Hawks, it just makes him look like a loving moron whose decision to invite a top hero to spy on them for no benefit ended up with their hideout being raided and their second or third most important member getting killed. At least Skeptic is clearly portrayed as not actually being as smart as he thinks he is so him getting burned for playing pointless 5D chess rather than just killing the blatant traitor makes sense, but we clearly aren't actually supposed to feel that way about Dabi. And yeah it's not impossible that this whole situation actually is somehow part of Dabi's master plot, since Dabi's motivations as a whole are still pretty much entirely obscured, but until we actually get explicit confirmation of that, or any sort of actual reason for why on Earth Dabi would take on such a huge liability that doesn't just amount to "the author wanted a cool double agent plotline even if it doesn't actually make much sense" my opinion on him is gonna stay negative. Uh yeah uh huh this would all make sense and be reasonable if Dabi was the one calling the shots at all and if everyone else was blindly trusting Hawks when they were all monitoring him as much as possible cause they didn't 100% trust him either. The only person who really believed him deep down was Twice, hence twice's entire thing for 5 chapters being how guilty he feels that him being duped hurt his friends again. Like I get not liking Dabi cause he hasn't done much in the comic except gently caress around, be rude, and mess with Hawks and Fire Lord Childabuse but uh....he's not the one in the wrong here as far as the actual text of the story and the emotional tone are going for. It's why his line about not trusting him is treated as a 'win' for him and it's followed by him high fiving his dear ally to show they're friends and there's no hard feelings there. Relax, I get the dude sucks but his aloofness is not the thing at fault for all the antagonists' problems.
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oh jay posted:I'd say that the culture festival is plenty proof that he loves the kids just as much. Lmfao loving beat me to it
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The culture festival is great and enjoyable, but man it's not near as intense as stuff like this.
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Roland Jones posted:That's obviously not what I said. Are you intentionally being obtuse, or do you not understand what "that didn't help" means? There's intent, action, and consequence. Neither Dabi or Twice intended to gently caress over the League. Both of them (inadvertently) acted in a way that hosed over the League. The consequence is the League is hosed over (as far as we can tell so far). My main thing you are allowed to hate Dabi, but I genuinely think that the "he's a gently caress-up" arguments are all biased by that hate of him. Just say he's dragging down the narrative with his secret Todoroki-ness, because that's 100% true.
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if dabi wasn't a gently caress up why'd his dad ditch him for the latest model? checkmate dabi stans
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SKULL.GIF posted:This is in direct contrast to All Might who even faced with All For One still managed to incapacitate him, not kill him. All Might punched the entire top of AfO's head off the first time. Just because he couldn't kill him doesn't mean he wasn't trying to kill him. oh jay posted:But he didn't notice him? It was a suspenseful, "must have been the wind" kinda thing. oh jay posted:What other tasks? Grand theft auto? Dabi might have one or two failures under his belt, but Spinner's successes are a whole lot of whatever. And no one had a "target" at summer camp other than Bakugo, which was a success for everyone who wasn't arrested.
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hosed up that we had a really excellent chapter starring my boy Twice and pages have instead been spent talking about boring Dabi, I think largely out of inertia from when bad spoilers seemed to suggest he was the one who killed Twice.
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SyntheticPolygon posted:hosed up that we had a really excellent chapter starring my boy Twice and pages have instead been spent talking about boring Dabi, I think largely out of inertia from when bad spoilers seemed to suggest he was the one who killed Twice. I just have very little sympathy to spare on Twice or most any of the League. Everyone's got a sad story in their past, most of them don't sign up to burn the world down with an indiscriminate murderer and the society of Super Libertarians.
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Maybe I missed something, but isn't it still suspected that best jeanist is just in hiding for 6 months and the dead body hawks brought was just a very advanced body double? Hawks killing him for real would be kinda brutal in retrospect, but would also fit his character so i'm conflicted.
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AFO’s head is basically all scar tissue and we never talk about that
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Carlosologist posted:AFO’s head is basically all scar tissue and we never talk about that Like, did his brain survive the punch, or was AFO a brainless husk until Doctor Holocaust could fix him up?
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Rhonne posted:Like, did his brain survive the punch, or was AFO a brainless husk until Doctor Holocaust could fix him up?
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Let's stop dancing around it and discuss what everyone's really thinking about: do you think Dabi's rear end is all burnt, purple and wrinkly or pale and pristine but held on by staples?
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Adder Moray posted:That's called noticing. What competent people do when they notice something off is take a look to make sure. That is called looking to the left a little bit, because the author wanted to add dramatic tension and establish that Aoyama was still in play. Unless you really think that the biggest sadist in the series saw a defenseless student and didn't instantly try to kill him. Adder Moray posted:I don't know how you look at "MVA" and get "summer camp" instead of "My Villain Academia" My bad. I was answering the first part of the post and got confused with the second. For the MVA stuff, Dabi's fight was interrupted by Sad Man's Parade, and I literally can't remember who Spinner fought, though I do remember him dunking on him how lovely his quirk is.
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Something I'm not seeing anyone but Caleb Cook point out and that's a lot more interesting than this never-ending Dabi debate: Dabi calls Hawks by his name, Keigo Takami, which is a shock to Hawks himself. Beyond the weird thing about his name being an unknown in a society where Heroes are known public figures (All Might seemed to be the only person with an actual secret identity), this is not the first time we've seen the last name "Takami". It's in Caleb's trivia but I'll repost it here: Takami was a thief Endeavor caught in the past, as narrated by Ending. The kanji is the exact same according to the commentaries in said thread. There's no way in hell this is a coincidence, and all of it adds even more to how mysterious Hawks' backstory is: we know his name only because of Dabi, no one should know it in spite of going against how Hero Society operates. Said name was used before in the series, in backstory, and for a thief Endeavor caught no less. We know he was trained in some weird program in the past thanks to the anime, but none of this was shown in the manga yet. Horikoshi is clearly going the breadcrumbs way here, giving us little details one after another, and I want to really know now who Hawks actually is and how he got here.
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We all agree that Dabi's hair is fake, right? It's just apart of the skin grafted to his purple burnt head
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M_Gargantua posted:Maybe I missed something, but isn't it still suspected that best jeanist is just in hiding for 6 months and the dead body hawks brought was just a very advanced body double? Hawks killing him for real would be kinda brutal in retrospect, but would also fit his character so i'm conflicted. The fandom suspected that but given what we know about Hawks now...who knows. I feel like it's a lot more ambiguous.
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Libra posted:Let's stop dancing around it and discuss what everyone's really thinking about : do you think Dabi's rear end is all burnt, purple and wrinkly or pale and pristine but held on by staples? Dabi can't eat spicy food, because it hurts his bottom.
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M_Gargantua posted:Maybe I missed something, but isn't it still suspected that best jeanist is just in hiding for 6 months and the dead body hawks brought was just a very advanced body double? Hawks killing him for real would be kinda brutal in retrospect, but would also fit his character so i'm conflicted. As far as I'm aware that assumption was based on Hawks' carefree demeanor and his being a hero, who obviously wouldn't off another hero in cold blood to infiltrate an organization. Now that we've seen what Hawks is capable of things aren't looking as good for Best Jeanist. e:f;b
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Blaze Dragon posted:Something I'm not seeing anyone but Caleb Cook point out and that's a lot more interesting than this never-ending Dabi debate: Dabi calls Hawks by his name, Keigo Takami, which is a shock to Hawks himself. Beyond the weird thing about his name being an unknown in a society where Heroes are known public figures (All Might seemed to be the only person with an actual secret identity), this is not the first time we've seen the last name "Takami". It's in Caleb's trivia but I'll repost it here: Takami was a thief Endeavor caught in the past, as narrated by Ending. The kanji is the exact same according to the commentaries in said thread. There's no way in hell this is a coincidence, and all of it adds even more to how mysterious Hawks' backstory is: we know his name only because of Dabi, no one should know it in spite of going against how Hero Society operates. Said name was used before in the series, in backstory, and for a thief Endeavor caught no less. We know he was trained in some weird program in the past thanks to the anime, but none of this was shown in the manga yet. Ending got busted by Endeavor 7 years ago, the Takami incident was prior to that, Hawks is 22, so that by necessity makes "Takami"/Hawks encountering Endeavor to be at most 14 years old and probably younger than that. Ending says after seeing Endeavor capture Takami, he was inspired by Endeavor, and tried to live up to that before failing. I don't think that process would've happened over a short period of time, I'm going to guess about a couple years at least. One of the ending photos in the anime's ED shows Hawks under training in the Program. He looks to be between 8-10 years old in that photograph. If Takami and Hawks are the same person, I wonder whether Endeavor apprehending that thief and turning him over to the government, probably also along with an incident report (we know heroes have to file these), got the government to go "Hey this kid has a lot of potential" and sent him into the special ops training program. edit: further What do you say Endeavor took Toya along with him on his hero work? And Toya witnessed Endeavor catch a super quick young Hawks? And Hawks being blazing fast today is what tripped that memory for Toya/Dabi, and he calls out Hawks's real name? SKULL.GIF fucked around with this message at 23:42 on Mar 29, 2020 |
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SKULL.GIF posted:Ending got busted by Endeavor 7 years ago, the Takami incident was prior to that, Hawks is 22, so that by necessity makes "Takami"/Hawks encountering Endeavor to be at most 14 years old and probably younger than that. Ending says after seeing Endeavor capture Takami, he was inspired by Endeavor, and tried to live up to that before failing. I don't think that process would've happened over a short period of time, I'm going to guess about a couple years at least. The Takami Endeavor arrested could also be Hawks' dad. We also already know the government snatched Hawks up when he rescued a bunch of people from an accident as a kid, which may have been after his dad got busted and he was on his own, making it easier for the government to take him in and train.
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One thing I'll note on the whole Hawks real name being shared with an as-yet-unseen thief: the only one of the "Big Three Villains of the Past" who has yet to factor into the story is Oji Harima, the Peerless Thief. Sure, the name's not the same, but 
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oh jay posted:Dabi is a bumbling failure but no more so than the rest of the League, minus Kurogiri and maybe Toga. Minus Kurogiri? The guy who let Iida get away in his first appearance and was then so terrible at keeping covert that he got captured by Gran Torino? Adder Moray posted:A fumble that only happened because Dabi didn't do anything about Aoyama when he noticed him. I mean if you're going that far, you're basically just getting mad at the character for not being omniscient. At the end of the day, not doing anything about Aoyama means that they didn't get Tokoyami, who would've reacted the same way as Bakugo, but still got the guy they were there to retrieve in the first place. Blueberry Pancakes fucked around with this message at 00:47 on Mar 30, 2020 |
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SyntheticPolygon posted:hosed up that we had a really excellent chapter starring my boy Twice and pages have instead been spent talking about boring Dabi, I think largely out of inertia from when bad spoilers seemed to suggest he was the one who killed Twice. People are being weird and want to be mad at a character to the point they believed bullshit fake spoilers to get mad at him for doing something Hawks actually and it's broken their brains. See: Adder Moray posted:I just have very little sympathy to spare on Twice or most any of the League. Everyone's got a sad story in their past, most of them don't sign up to burn the world down with an indiscriminate murderer and the society of Super Libertarians. Adder Moray posted:All Might punched the entire top of AfO's head off the first time. Just because he couldn't kill him doesn't mean he wasn't trying to kill him. This is very similar to what happens in this thread basically anytime Bakugo does anything. Please relax, Dabi's fine Hawk's however is a murderer. EDIT: Nevermind looking at Adder's post in this thread they seem to only post about how much they hate Dabi so it wasn't the spoilers breaking brains.
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RareAcumen posted:Twice is going to show up in a cell singing karaoke in 15 chapters with the only indication that he's on the mend being a bandage on his forehead. Like our boy Pell? Anything's possible, I suppose. Eventually becoming the world's greatest hero better mean Midoriya finds a way to improve this oppressive society, because a status quo ending that relies on murdering Twice is a huge downer.
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ZiegeDame posted:If Twice is alive it's only because Hawks severed his spinal cord in such a way as to leave him permanently paralyzed and unable to use his quirk Couldn’t Twice use his quirk with broken arms, I don’t think he actually needs them to move to use it.
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Dabi killed Twice...'s clones. He also did a rather poor job at the whole "rescuing his teammate from the hero spy" thing. A for effort though I guess. Lord_Magmar posted:Couldn't Twice use his quirk with broken arms, I don't think he actually needs them to move to use it. It does bring up the question of how do you actually arrest and keep a guy like Twice locked up without going to inhumane levels.
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Rhonne posted:It does bring up the question of how do you actually arrest and keep a guy like Twice locked up without going to inhumane levels. Doesn't the setting have some Quirk-dampening devices? I could've sworn there was one on AfO when he got arrested.
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amigolupus posted:Doesn't the setting have some Quirk-dampening devices? I could've sworn there was one on AfO when he got arrested. You mean strap him in a full binding suit and threaten to shoot him in the head the moment he activates his quirk?
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Rhonne posted:Dabi killed Twice...'s clones. You don't. If supervillains were real they'd be hell on prison reform. How do you make real progress with using prison as a method of rehabilitation rather than punishment when the only way to keep someone in is by immobilizing them completely? That's not conducive to healthy development.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:EDIT: Nevermind looking at Adder's post in this thread they seem to only post about how much they hate Dabi so it wasn't the spoilers breaking brains.
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Hunt11 posted:You mean strap him in a full binding suit and threaten to shoot him in the head the moment he activates his quirk? I was thinking right after the fight with All Might and AfO got captured. I thought AfO was still conscious then and part of the restraining device on him prevented his Quirk from activating. There was also that time when the police arrested Mustard and Muscular after the training camp raid, and I thought the handcuffs on them were also Quirk-dampening devices, or else they would've tried escaping already.
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Rhonne posted:It does bring up the question of how do you actually arrest and keep a guy like Twice locked up without going to inhumane levels. I've said Batman should just take the brains out of his rogues gallery and put them in jars for years now. It'd solve so many problems.
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I'm only a casual MHA fan but I saw this doujin someone started and posted on mangadex and it seems kinda interesting so far. https://mangadex.org/title/46430/boku-no-hero-academia-h-2-zero-doujinshi Maybe it'll be terrible, who knows!!!
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RareAcumen posted:I've said Batman should just take the brains out of his rogues gallery and put them in jars for years now. It'd solve so many problems. Joker's brain would probably immediately escape in some amusing way.
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Funky Valentine posted:Joker's brain would probably immediately escape in some amusing way. didn't that happen in one of that batman games where he's inside batmans head
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And that game, is Psychonauts
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