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CGI Stardust posted:ah, haven't checked in a while, let's have a look at Lol how did these guys come out of a nominally Marxist org, I will never understand
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Coohoolin posted:i'm pretty sure being furloughed at one job is not impacted at all by you taking on another job if you wanted to. your employment contract almost certainly says you cannot take any other additional work without approval in normal times when you’re on gardening leave at the end of one job, you couldn’t start your next job early the government have been lobbied to put a specific override into law regarding the pandemic furlough fund, but have not done so yet you might say it’s petty control freakery of your manager to block you taking other work while furloughed, but they’re probably also worried about you being unavailable if they want to take you off furlough at short notice. so I’d recommend speaking to them and getting written agreement first. or work cash in hand with no records and hope for the best
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ThomasPaine posted:Lol how did these guys come out of a nominally Marxist org, I will never understand The Trot>contrarian/"realist">genocidal paedo pipeline is pretty well established, and my personal theory is that the Trotskyite obsession with the idea of the Vanguard Party appeals really strongly to people who think they're definitely smarter and more enlightened than all the sheeple. If they also happen to be rich/white enough to keep getting media jobs insulated from any kind of reality then it's a really smooth slope for them to roll down.
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They also got a ton of oil money to reestablish after they got sued into bankruptcy for genocide denial iirc
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Guavanaut posted:They also got a ton of oil money to reestablish after they got sued into bankruptcy for genocide denial iirc I'm certain that the egg of Brendan O'Neills giant loving bonce came long before the chicken of Koch money.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:The Trot>contrarian/"realist">genocidal paedo pipeline is pretty well established, and my personal theory is that the Trotskyite obsession with the idea of the Vanguard Party appeals really strongly to people who think they're definitely smarter and more enlightened than all the sheeple. If they also happen to be rich/white enough to keep getting media jobs insulated from any kind of reality then it's a really smooth slope for them to roll down. I get that in principle but I'd expect them to go conspiracy-left or even maybe go whole hog down the weird far right infowars route rather than just taking to spouting boring knee jerk reactionary conservatism. Unless they're dumbass accelerationists the ideological trajectory doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
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ThomasPaine posted:I get that in principle but I'd expect them to go conspiracy-left or even maybe go whole hog down the weird far right infowars route rather than just taking to spouting boring knee jerk reactionary conservatism. Unless they're dumbass accelerationists the ideological trajectory doesn't make a whole lot of sense. The Spiked crew are absolutely in the Infowars lane, they've just found it more financially rewarding to channel it into something that picks up money from the Koches rather than hawking "neutraceuticals".
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Jippa posted:China loving everyone and people going over the top in response can both be true. It isn't either or. What part of "the rest of the planet had a month and a half to at least draw some plans and did gently caress all" is hard to get? There were cases in Western Europe as early as January, at the exact same time the Chinese authorities started telling anyone who would listen that this was, in fact, a loving serious problem. "They were minimising the numbers!!!" stops being compelling after the Chinese government fully locked down a province with nearly the same population as the UK, enacted less stringent (but still more stringent than those in place in Europe right now) lockdowns in the rest of the country and had public TV channels talk about nothing but this 24/7. Blaming China is as much about making it anybody's fault but the government as when they blame people for not respecting the lockdown directives when the government was still minimising things until the last minute. And it's not even necessarily about China's response being better, either. Don't trust the Chinese state? Cool. South Korea faced an outbreak much sooner than European countries did and they handled it much better than we are. Taiwan too. Kassad fucked around with this message at 10:42 on Apr 2, 2020 |
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ThomasPaine posted:they're dumbass accelerationists O'Neill was in the "we should technology our way through climate change into utopia" gang before the Koch money, but now his salary depends on reactionary contrarianism.
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I guess what I'm saying in short is 'where is the Marxism, group formerly known as Living Marxism?' Could it be that they never actually were that, I wonder. 
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Jippa posted:China loving everyone and people going over the top in response can both be true. It isn't either or. Sure. But you'd have to present a coherent argument about how China is actually loving everyone. I read about this thing on this god drat forum in January (posted by ambivalent or learningcurve I think?). I find it hard accept the idea that China somehow kept us all in the dark until it was suddenly knocking on our doors.
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Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:...where are you getting this idea from? the asymptomatic rates come from chinese data and match up to italy based off of testing. who is telling you they only started reporting asymptomatic positives yesterday? or is it some misdirection in that they've started explicitly listing them separately from positive cases publicly? i'd be impressed if they can tell asymptomatic from pre-symptomatic (or minorly symptomatic) immediately - so would this have the same lag time as recovered patients? I'm getting it from the news https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-asymptomatic-idUSKBN21J450 https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/china-to-begin-reporting-asymptomatic-coronavirus-cases-a4403551.html
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Kassad posted:What part of "the rest of the planet had a month and a half to at least draw some plans and did gently caress all" is hard to get? There were cases in Western Europe as early as January, at the exact same time the Chinese authorities started telling anyone who would listen that this was, in fact, a loving serious problem. "They were minimising the numbers!!!" stops being compelling after the Chinese government fully locked down a province with nearly the same population as the UK, enacted less stringent (but still more stringent than those in place in Europe right now) lockdowns in the rest of the country and had public TV channels talk about nothing but this 24/7. you seem to be argueing with a point that no one here has made??? take it to some other thread
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hemale in pain posted:you seem to be argueing with a point that no one here has made??? take it to some other thread What
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TheRat posted:Sure. But you'd have to present a coherent argument about how China is actually loving everyone. I read about this thing on this god drat forum in January (posted by ambivalent or learningcurve I think?). I find it hard accept the idea that China somehow kept us all in the dark until it was suddenly knocking on our doors. they threatened their doctors if they talked about it and censored talking about it on social media. once it blew up to such a huge problem they couldn't hide it THEN they told people.
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hemale in pain posted:they threatened their doctors if they talked about it and censored talking about it on social media. once it blew up to such a huge problem they couldn't hide it THEN they told people. That's great. How does that relate to the fact that everyone and their mother knew this was coming since mid January and we still did gently caress all?
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ThomasPaine posted:I guess what I'm saying in short is 'where is the Marxism, group formerly known as Living Marxism?'
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TheRat posted:What No one is saying the rest of the planet is doing a great job at fighting the coronavirus or that it's china's fault here? everyone has been hugely critical of america/uk/europe.
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^^ Oh sure, because "China loving everyone" is so ambiguous. TheRat posted:Sure. But you'd have to present a coherent argument about how China is actually loving everyone. I read about this thing on this god drat forum in January (posted by ambivalent or learningcurve I think?). I find it hard accept the idea that China somehow kept us all in the dark until it was suddenly knocking on our doors. It's seriously just the government making excuses for themselves. Macron is doing the same thing in France : "None of us could have possibly seen this coming", when we've known how bad it was since late January at the latest and he was personally telling people to keep living as normal and go out as late as March 7 (edit: got that wrong, it was March 6). Kassad fucked around with this message at 11:06 on Apr 2, 2020 |
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hemale in pain posted:No one is saying the rest of the planet is doing a great job at fighting the coronavirus or that it's china's fault here? everyone has been hugely critical of america/uk/europe. hemale in pain posted:they threatened their doctors if they talked about it and censored talking about it on social media. once it blew up to such a huge problem they couldn't hide it THEN they told people. Make your mind up. Are you going to spam Fox News talking points or not?
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TheRat posted:That's great. How does that relate to the fact that everyone and their mother knew this was coming since mid January and we still did gently caress all? That seems like a thing that should also be criticised. Like what happened about those us senators that sold off a bunch of shares after a Corona briefing from around that time?
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Jippa posted:China loving everyone and people going over the top in response can both be true. It isn't either or. hosed up if true.
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TheRat posted:Make your mind up. Are you going to spam Fox News talking points or not? those statements aren't contradictory unless you're insane
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Guavanaut posted:They managed to logic themselves into the state that socialism follows from capitalism therefore speedrun capitalism in the late 90s, and they were still quoting Marx and Trotsky to justify that in the early Spiked! days, but that seems to have dried up with their investment opportunities. Amusingly enough, the Chinese strategy (only China can actually claim to be doing something with the idea) E: yes I know this is a very superficial take
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fluppet posted:Has it been announced they're going to staff the new hospitals? They're asking for current NHS staff to volunteer to start work there, but you have to stay in hotels even if you live locally and completely isolate yourself in your room when not at work. One of the high up physios at my Trust is now the Chief AHP in the London one apparently.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:The Trot>contrarian/"realist">genocidal paedo pipeline is pretty well established, and my personal theory is that the Trotskyite obsession with the idea of the Vanguard Party appeals really strongly to people who think they're definitely smarter and more enlightened than all the sheeple. If they also happen to be rich/white enough to keep getting media jobs insulated from any kind of reality then it's a really smooth slope for them to roll down. Contrarian, certainly. Trotskyist or vanguardist in the particular? A pipeline from the hard left out of the left-wing tent entirely is an old one; the previous wave was not especially Trotskyist but instead hinged on arguments from historical materialism... The revisionism of the New Left Review can be glibly summed up as: the working class loves itself some Thatcherism, so theory be damned the New Right must have something to it and our only duty is to pinpoint what it is - it is not a lie, it is not false consciousness, there is a core that the left must respond to and build on - quote:But now it must be added that this is no rhetorical device or trick, for this populism is operating on genuine contradictions, and it has a rational and material core. Its success and effectivity does not lie in its capacity to dupe unsuspecting folk but in the way it addresses real problems, real and lived experiences, real contradictions — and yet is able to represent them within a logic of discourse which pulls them systematically into line with policies and class strategies of the Right. More than a little resemblance to "white working class anxieties" arguments a la Spiked today, perhaps What has changed is that the charge of the Eurocommunists was so successful that the left tent has itself integrated many of its key achievements as non-negotiable parts of being 'left' (e.g., Hall was enormously influential in identity theory), so contrarianism has proceeded to find other outlets, I think.
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ThomasPaine posted:Amusingly enough, the Chinese strategy That's because they were lovely Stalinists, and now are just capitalists. The idea that the CCP would go to any form of worker control from here is patently laughable.
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Kassad posted:^^ Oh sure, because "China loving everyone" is so ambiguous. i dunno, i think china trying to censor the coronavirus is a fact right? they came out and blamed local government but all the censorship on social media makes me suspicious and kinda makes it impossible to believe any official numbers. i'd say they did a pretty good job of at least loving their own citizens over. now don't get me wrong, i'm not a lovely racist, europe/america has had plenty of time and knowledge of the virus to respond and our lack of actions will result in a million deaths and we only have ourselves to blame. buuuuut that doesn't absolve china of their crimes. hemale in pain fucked around with this message at 11:18 on Apr 2, 2020 |
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