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I'm learning how to use GIMP instead of working. I realized too late I capitalized the i in Xi. Also I would have replaced the handwriting that said Teddy with Pooh if I knew how to create text that convincingly looked like handwriting, but instead I just erased it.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/us/politics/cia-coronavirus-china.htmlThe New York Times posted:WASHINGTON — The C.I.A. has been warning the White House since at least early February that China has vastly understated its coronavirus infections and that its count could not be relied upon as the United States compiles predictive models to fight the virus, according to current and former intelligence officials.
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# ? Apr 2, 2020 23:08 |
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Official USSR death count from Chernobyl disaster: 42 Edit: HOLY poo poo “I’m not an accountant from China [so I cannot comment]." Shumagorath fucked around with this message at 23:35 on Apr 2, 2020 |
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LimburgLimbo posted:Note he also made mention in the next sentence of how Taiwan has done fantastically at controlling outbreaks but you can’t talk about it because China will throw a fit. lmao that kicks rear end
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# ? Apr 2, 2020 23:49 |
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So what they’re saying is saving face has caused this to spread as much as touching face?
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# ? Apr 3, 2020 00:25 |
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I like the implication that one of the reasons Trump didn't take this seriously for months is because he was uncritically accepting information from the Chinese government and his best friend, Xi Jinping
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# ? Apr 3, 2020 00:27 |
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popewiles posted:I'm learning how to use GIMP instead of working. Write it down on paper with similar pen and paper using your hand. Take picture with phone, rotoscope/edge/chroma key/box select the name, same with the original. Copy/paste element, adjust for perspective. Also cut corner up top. HKG throws a poo poo fit about the RTHK/WHO interview. https://www.hongkongfp.com/2020/04/02/hong-kong-govt-slams-rthk-breaching-one-china-principle-broadcaster-asks-doctor-taiwan/ quote:Hong Kong’s commerce minister Edward Yau has accused public service broadcaster RTHK of breaching the “One China” policy after one of its journalists pressed the World Health Organization’s Bruce Aylward on Taiwan’s status. Look I know you have to lick that rear end in a top hat but I would put down good money that Hong Kong people doesn't give a poo poo about "One China" when it comes to dealing about the virus. It would have been much better if you just shut the gently caress up instead of virtue signal CCP.
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# ? Apr 3, 2020 00:30 |
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oohhboy posted:Write it down on paper with similar pen and paper using your hand. Take picture with phone, rotoscope/edge/chroma key/box select the name, same with the original. Copy/paste element, adjust for perspective. Muchas gracias.
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# ? Apr 3, 2020 00:35 |
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So it's not a Chinese virus or it's not relevant in any way that it is? It came from China and China could have prevented or at least strongly mitigated the whole situation the world is in now, but didn't. I realize that criticizing China for it has been poisoned by this idiot, but if the shoe fits... Also, seriously, I would always 100% insist that dictatorships not only tone down their external rhetoric, but especially their internal one.
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# ? Apr 3, 2020 01:06 |
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Does anyone know what China thinks of there being a spock hand sign emoji? like do they see this 🖖 and go, what the gently caress? and then if you explained it would they be like, what???
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# ? Apr 3, 2020 01:34 |
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Ugly In The Morning posted:Don’t forget WHO Endorses Traditional Chinese Medicine, expect deaths to rise. If you go on a tour in mainland China, you will see that it is pure hocus pocus, once you are forced to watch a show
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# ? Apr 3, 2020 01:46 |
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I mean, I enjoy a good bit of stage prestidigitation, but I wouldn't believe it would cure my cancer.
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# ? Apr 3, 2020 02:05 |
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As much as I love to CCP bash, I could totally see Western Nations (especially the US) doing absolutely nothing different than they already did even if a visibly Covid-stricken Xi himself pleaded with the world to prepare and showed all the actual data as soon as it was known. "Gentleman, I heard the very same message that you did, but may I remind you that the fiscal quarter . . . "
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# ? Apr 3, 2020 02:19 |
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screamin and creamin posted:So it's not a Chinese virus or it's not relevant in any way that it is? It came from China and China could have prevented or at least strongly mitigated the whole situation the world is in now, but didn't. You have no idea what you are talking about. How do you know China has downplayed the spread? Right, you read it from the super fair, not-biased-at-all Western media. Take a beat and think if you've been fed fake news all along. P.S. I don't see one sick person on the street in Shanghai.
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# ? Apr 3, 2020 03:36 |
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Blistex posted:As much as I love to CCP bash, I could totally see Western Nations (especially the US) doing absolutely nothing different than they already did even if a visibly Covid-stricken Xi himself pleaded with the world to prepare and showed all the actual data as soon as it was known. This is just "but America" and it's being deployed in record quantities by idiots and tankies to distract from the fact that the only reason they can say "but America" at all is because the CCP unleashed a literal plague on the world
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# ? Apr 3, 2020 03:38 |
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I hear that the spike in cancer cases in Europe following Chernobyl is the fault of Europeans for inadequately preparing for the effects of the USSR farting a giant cloud of radioactive gas over the continent
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Fojar38 posted:I hear that the spike in cancer cases in Europe following Chernobyl is the fault of Europeans for inadequately preparing for the effects of the USSR farting a giant cloud of radioactive gas over the continent Woah when did this happen??
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# ? Apr 3, 2020 03:54 |
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Baronjutter posted:Woah when did this happen?? Cabbage borscht night.
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# ? Apr 3, 2020 03:56 |
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I am not a big fan of TCM, and fully acknowledge the quackery and bullshit that comes with the "traditional" practices of extracting bile from tortured bears, or boiling some poor endangered animal in it's own piss to alleviate the erectile dysfunction of middle aged Chinese businessmen. But here is my TCM adjacent story of how it kinda sorta worked. Because I am a privileged middle aged white man, I have gout. So about 7 or so years ago when I was living in Chengdu, I got a particularly bad attack of gout. It hurt like a thousand knives of fire with every step. And the reason it was particularly bad that time was because the gout had joined forces with a blood infection. ANyway, at the hospital, (apart from the obligatory saline drip that they put me on), I got some real medicine, (probably random antibiotics), and they also sent me to the TCM window where an old man in a labcoat ground up some leaves and bark and poo poo and gave it to me with the instructions to make tea from it and drink it twice a day. To my mind, the tea helped a fucktonne with the pain and swelling more than the pills or the drip. So that is at least one anecdote in favour of Traditional Chinese Medicine.
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# ? Apr 3, 2020 04:07 |
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/\ Yeah, the placebo effect is weird, and on occasion really effective. (see Chiropractors) . . . wait! don't go see them. Fojar38 posted:This is just "but America" and it's being deployed in record quantities by idiots and tankies to distract from the fact that the only reason they can say "but America" at all is because the CCP unleashed a literal plague on the world I'm in no way dismissing what the CCP did, or trying to tankie-splain stuff, just that we're loving slow to react if it might mean the stock market will suffer, and we only react in any meaningful way after it's too late. With the exception of a very few number of countries, everyone has been following this model and shutting the gate after the horse has long since escaped.
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BrigadierSensible posted:I am not a big fan of TCM, and fully acknowledge the quackery and bullshit that comes with the "traditional" practices of extracting bile from tortured bears, or boiling some poor endangered animal in it's own piss to alleviate the erectile dysfunction of middle aged Chinese businessmen. I'm inclined to believe that TCM originates in folk remedies, but they never tried to figure out why the folk remedies worked, and instead relied of hearsay, appeal of authority, and bolstering the claims through placebo effect and confirmation bias. Entirely possible the tree bark was willow tree, which is known to have pain relieving effects. The problem for TCM is the true/false absolutes: part of it is bunk, part of it is real, but China will never separate the two from each other. Equally, dismissing all of it whole denies insights which science has proven accurate, but then that evidence is generalized into all of it being right.
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# ? Apr 3, 2020 04:24 |
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Blistex posted:/\ Yeah, the placebo effect is weird, and on occasion really effective. (see Chiropractors) . . . wait! don't go see them. Well, quite. China and the US just seem to be near different ends of a particularly grim scale. China is obsessed with saving face and will sacrifice lives to do it. The US is obsessed with saving markets and will sacrifice lives to do it. Most other countries fall somewhere in between. So sure this virus came out of China. But if it had come out of anywhere else, the results would probably be similar in both countries. The reason this is relevant is, due to a bunch of factors, epidemics are unlikely to become less frequent. Quite the opposite.
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There are two components to TCM. One is all the herbal stuff, which if it were properly scientifically studied may very well contain useful medicines that haven't been identified yet. That part isn't unreasonable. There are also known toxic things in there that you absolutely should not under any circumstances consume. The other component is that TCM is a whole system about balancing humors and the five organs and qi and stuff that is all 1000% bullshit. There's a huge difference between studying the herbs for anything useful, which is where that Nobel prize came from (you know, actual science) and "TCM" as an entire medical system, which is crap.
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In non pandemic newsquote:China's Luckin Coffee slumps on 'fake' data news. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52146498
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Blistex posted:I'm in no way dismissing what the CCP did, or trying to tankie-splain stuff, just that we're loving slow to react if it might mean the stock market will suffer, and we only react in any meaningful way after it's too late. With the exception of a very few number of countries, everyone has been following this model and shutting the gate after the horse has long since escaped. I mean, yeah, but reacting poorly to a catastrophe caused by someone elses negligence is a whole different ballgame from being responsible for the existence of said catastrophe in the first place. Even if you are going to completely ignore China's 3 months of coverups, the fact that they were so negligent towards public health re: wet markets puts responsibility on them as well. The idea that everyone else bears responsibility for not adequately mitigating the CCP's negligence sounds like straight up victim blaming. Unless the angle is that they should have known better than allowing themselves to become so interconnected with the PRC that this could happen in the first place, especially since not only is this not the first time it's happened but epidemiologists have been warning about how ripe China was/is for another SARS-like pandemic for years now.
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# ? Apr 3, 2020 04:47 |
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luckin sucks and was also basically giving coffee out for free so that isn't a surprise to anyone i think lol. I remember seeing both Chinese and English language finance stuff saying to sell the gently caress out of Luckin cuz they're investment poison most of the latter half of last year.Grand Fromage posted:There are two components to TCM. One is all the herbal stuff, which if it were properly scientifically studied may very well contain useful medicines that haven't been identified yet. That part isn't unreasonable. There are also known toxic things in there that you absolutely should not under any circumstances consume. The other component is that TCM is a whole system about balancing humors and the five organs and qi and stuff that is all 1000% bullshit. Isn't there some malaria treatment from TCM that absolutely works but scientists still don't really know why?
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Sten Freak posted:In non pandemic news Yep! Financial Times posted:
Soooo many "Yes but what about Enron??!?" comments below the FT article.
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Magna Kaser posted:Isn't there some malaria treatment from TCM that absolutely works but scientists still don't really know why? There is a malaria treatment in the TCM pharmacopia, artemisinin, but it's been studied with actual science so it's just regular old medicine now. That's what got the Nobel. It is true that the exact mechanism of action isn't understood. There are a lot of drugs that we know work but can't identify how though, like anesthetics.
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Fojar38 posted:I mean, yeah, but reacting poorly to a catastrophe caused by someone elses negligence is a whole different ballgame from being responsible for the existence of said catastrophe in the first place. Even if you are going to completely ignore China's 3 months of coverups, the fact that they were so negligent towards public health re: wet markets puts responsibility on them as well. Not victim blaming. I'm saying that a lot of leaders were waiting until the band played their final song before saying, "hey maybe this ship is sinking after all". Hell, look at the places that are still fighting tooth and nail to keep churches, salons, beaches, and other places that will certainly spread this further open. The CCP deserves a whole gently caress-ton of blame, but that doesn't let some of our elected officials off the hook for waiting until a few hours after the last minute to do something that we've known about for a while now. This goes both ways, and both sides deserve blame, and we shouldn't let either side explain away their own incompetence through the use of scapegoats. A really good example is Brian Kemp. His incompetence has nothing to do with China, or their cover-up, the blame for the late actions rest solely on him.
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Sten Freak posted:In non pandemic news Western media! FAKE NEWS!
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# ? Apr 3, 2020 05:46 |
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screamin and creamin posted:You have no idea what you are talking about. How do you know China has downplayed the spread? Right, you read it from the super fair, not-biased-at-all Western media. Why are you arguing with yourself?
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# ? Apr 3, 2020 06:37 |
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Second post is from a bot trained on D&D algorithms
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Take a beat
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We're goons, all we ever do is beat.
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Fojar38 posted:Second post is from a bot trained on D&D algorithms Actually a reader comment on a NYT article about the lack of media freedoms under Modi in India.
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Grand Fromage posted:There is a malaria treatment in the TCM pharmacopia, artemisinin, but it's been studied with actual science so it's just regular old medicine now. That's what got the Nobel. It is true that the exact mechanism of action isn't understood. There are a lot of drugs that we know work but can't identify how though, like anesthetics. Is that the one which is destroyed by boiling and in TCM is prepared by boiling?
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GotLag posted:Is that the one which is destroyed by boiling and in TCM is prepared by boiling? You made that up for a cheap laugh, didn't you.
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Mistle posted:I'm inclined to believe that TCM originates in folk remedies, but they never tried to figure out why the folk remedies worked, and instead relied of hearsay, appeal of authority, and bolstering the claims through placebo effect and confirmation bias. I think the larger part of it is that if they were to systematically analyze TCM ingredients, the catalog of effective ingredients would drastically shrink. That would mean losing a lot of useless but incredibly profitable products, and we can't have that.
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Nucken Futz posted:You made that up for a cheap laugh, didn't you. No, I think I remember that article and ye - pretty much.
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Yes, it was artemisinin: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4966551/ quote:One day, Professor Tu was reading some recipes written by Ge Hong ~1700 years ago. In one of his recipes, Ge Hong described how to obtain ‘juice’ from Qinghao (A. annua) plant to treat fever using cold water, instead of the traditional methods of boiling herbs for preparing Chinese medicines. Professor Tu suddenly realized that high temperature could be the cause of instability in antimalarial activity they experienced. The second hint Professor Tu had from Ge Hong’s description was that the plant leaf was likely the part having the most activity because the ‘juice’ could be obtained from the leaves much easier than other parts of the plant. She decided to use ether, replacing ethanol, to extract the active ingredients from the plant leaves and obtained sample #191 that could inhibit rodent and monkey malaria with 100% activity on October 4, 1971. So it used to be effective, then someone hosed it up by adding boiling to the instructions, presumably because that makes it better for healthy
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