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Empress Brosephine posted:do you guys think the cats play will exist past covid19 Definitely. Theaters will be hurting everywhere for not having been open ever, they'll probably drag out a few reliable crowd-pleasers.
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thats good, i wasnt sure if theatre actors would still want to rub against each other after
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Empress Brosephine posted:do you guys think the cats play will exist past covid19 I was supposed to go a college's production of Cats Sunday. Dammit.
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Apr 4, 2020 01:55
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My dumb rear end in a top hat neighbor McCavity just added this unstable sunroom-like thing that's not even up to code onto his second floor home, with no city permit
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Apr 4, 2020 03:05
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Dumb Lowtax posted:My dumb rear end in a top hat neighbor McCavity just added this unstable sunroom-like thing that's not even up to code onto his second floor home, with no city permit Don't bother going over there to complain. He's not home.
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Apr 4, 2020 03:46
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Lid posted:Wonder why there was zero mention of Sweeney Todd I think this videssay is great but this is an excellent call. Real weird omission considering how all in she went on Russel Crowe.
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Apr 4, 2020 06:54
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Empress Brosephine posted:thats good, i wasnt sure if theatre actors would still want to rub against each other after This isn’t like...the first time humans have had a contagious disease
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Apr 4, 2020 14:02
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wyoming posted:You don't rotoscope something real onto something animated, rotoscoping is drawing over actual footage. Yes but then the digital character had to be animated over the live action reference, in a combination of matchmove and key frame. It’s essentially the digital double approach that’s taken on most big films during action scenes, but this time applied to every character over the entire run time. Including having the digital faces match the footage the entire time (we’re talking Avatar level facial animation for 30 character shots for 90 minutes) The vfx companies responsible recently went through huge rounds of layoffs which is probably partially due to the pandemic but also due to how much cash they bled on this film, considering they have to meet the fixed bid price they won the contract for.
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Apr 4, 2020 23:19
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So you're saying that without the actor's faces there was nothing underneath, however on TOP there was extra weird stuff like whiskers and snot that'd be left behind if you took the real human faces away? Did the effects workers ever look at what they were doing without the human faces applied? If so, what did they see?
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Dumb Lowtax posted:So you're saying that without the actor's faces there was nothing underneath, however on TOP there was extra weird stuff like whiskers and snot that'd be left behind if you took the real human faces away? They saw Oblivion. 
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Dumb Lowtax posted:So you're saying that without the actor's faces there was nothing underneath, however on TOP there was extra weird stuff like whiskers and snot that'd be left behind if you took the real human faces away? No I’m saying there were rigged digital faces that were virtually indistinguishable from the live action that has to be animated to match the live action. The blending mostly took the eyes from the live action and the inside of the mouths. Everything else on the face is digital. The hands are also live action so the blend happens at the wrist. This was done because fingers, eyes and mouths are the number one giveaways that something isn’t alive. Doing a compositing pass that kept those aspects meant they broke through that part of the uncanny valley. The whiskers are added as part of a groom pass so that would be much later in the process. I actually do think the comp workflow on Cats successfully eluded the uncanny valley. The characters look completely alive, not glassy eyed automatons. It’s just the design is so odd that it can evoke a feeling of disgust in people who haven’t been continually exposed to the designs the way the director and vfx workers were. They got used to it.
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Ccs posted:No I’m saying there were rigged digital faces that were virtually indistinguishable from the live action that has to be animated to match the live action. The blending mostly took the eyes from the live action and the inside of the mouths. Everything else on the face is digital. The hands are also live action so the blend happens at the wrist. This was done because fingers, eyes and mouths are the number one giveaways that something isn’t alive. Doing a compositing pass that kept those aspects meant they broke through that part of the uncanny valley. They look like the guy who made the Annoying Orange won the lottery and went insane
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Ccs posted:The characters look completely alive, not glassy eyed automatons. Yeah... Until they move their bodies or try do to a jerky dance and all look exactly like over-synchronized bad mocap figures
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steinrokkan posted:They look like the guy who made the Annoying Orange won the lottery and went insane Now that's a supervillain origin story I want to see.
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COVID 19's a new virus discovered in Wuhan For it infects ya with disease that can destroy the lung You can try to enter quarantine, you can lockdown the town square But if you took the Chloroquine, Corona doesn't care! COVID 19, COVID 19 - there's no flu like COVID 19 It's broken every social norm There's even social distancing You can prop up the economy You can bailout Boeing Air But of your precious currency, Corona doesn't care!
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It may start off as symptomless But then it takes your breath And the old are prone to getting worse But the young aren't free from death
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new article with some interesting details https://www.thedailybeast.com/i-edited-the-buttholes-out-of-cats-it-was-a-total-nightmare?ref=scrollquote:Some aspects of the production, the source alleges, became simply absurd—like when Hooper would demand to see videos of actual cats performing the same actions the cats would do in the film. “And as you know,” the source said, “cats don‘t dance.” I guess that last part explains why the CG in the first trailer looked so much better (on a purely technical level, anyway) than the actual film
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Apr 7, 2020 17:35
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Most of what that article says is accurate, except for the stuff about butts.
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Barry Convex posted:new article with some interesting details https://www.thedailybeast.com/i-edited-the-buttholes-out-of-cats-it-was-a-total-nightmare?ref=scroll I guess I shouldn't be surprised that Tom Hooper aggressively doesn't know or care how the VFX process works?
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quote:Before visual effects artists fully render sequences for animated films, they normally show directors playblasts—preview renderings that feature characters without color or texture. That allows the director to evaluate the motion before hours of work are done to flesh out things like color, texture, and lighting. Hooper, however, did not seem to grasp that process. Any time the visual effects team wanted to show the director any animatics, the source said, they had to fully render it. Otherwise, he’d say things like, “What’s this garbage?” and “I don’t understand— where’s the fur?”
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Barry Convex posted:new article with some interesting details https://www.thedailybeast.com/i-edited-the-buttholes-out-of-cats-it-was-a-total-nightmare?ref=scroll I came here to post this. I loving love this movie. It has so many gifts to give us, so many lols to share.
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Part of the issue is how much vfx facilities lag behind top feature places in terms of technology. Pixar for instance can preview all their fur in playblasts. I don't think any vfx studio has figured out a similar solution.
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Ccs posted:Most of what that article says is accurate, except for the stuff about butts. yeah I believe a different VFX artist said there weren't actual buttholes, there were just some shots where it unintentionally looked like there were due to folds in the fur or what have you
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Believe in the butthole cut, it believes in you
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Barry Convex posted:yeah I believe a different VFX artist said there weren't actual buttholes, there were just some shots where it unintentionally looked like there were due to folds in the fur or what have you Yeah, but writing about "the Unfortunately Bunched Costumes Cut" is not nearly as fun as writing about "the Butthole Cut."
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Ccs posted:Part of the issue is how much vfx facilities lag behind top feature places in terms of technology. Pixar for instance can preview all their fur in playblasts. I don't think any vfx studio has figured out a similar solution. Didn't Pixar originally start as a vfx house, back in the 80s?
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Fuschia tude posted:Didn't Pixar originally start as a vfx house, back in the 80s? They started out as a computer graphics unit at lucasfilm, got sold off in Lucas' divorce Source: my aunt who was there at the time
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Barry Convex posted:yeah I believe a different VFX artist said there weren't actual buttholes, there were just some shots where it unintentionally looked like there were due to folds in the fur or what have you I imagine it was something like the hairy ball theorem, where they wanted the fur to look smooth all over the rest of the body and wound up with an anus-shaped cowlick in a spot they imagined wouldn’t be seen often, or a spot that was overlooked (i.e., the butt zone).
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Apr 8, 2020 19:06
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Somehow this movie is the gift that keeps giving. Mad respect for the VFX artists who put up with all that poo poo. Is there any sort of way right now to support the folks who've been laid off for all their work?
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There were about 2200 vfx crew on this movie so unfortunately not.
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Apr 9, 2020 15:44
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Vfx people need to unionize or strike or do something because that is bullshit.
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Just putting the pieces together between Tom Hooper's inability to film anything that's not a point and shoot costume drama. He hosed up Les Mis by insisting the recordings be done live on set which necessitated far too many extreme close-ups to mask the boom mics, and he hosed up Cats by being completely unwilling to follow the protocol in VFX development cause he couldn't immediately see the image he wanted to see. Man, just give this guy increasingly complex musicals to see how he fucks them up even more. What would this guy do to Sondheim?
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Imagining Hooper being handed some classic song-and-dance numbers like "Singin' In The Rain" and it's actually making me angry
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Apr 9, 2020 23:26
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I wanna see his version of Starlight Express where the camera is also on rollerskates.
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Apr 9, 2020 23:41
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I want a high budget movie version of Starlight Express, except it's reworked to be set in the world of Twisted!, the epic about anthtopomorphic roller coasters by Miranda Leek. Imagine Hooper making a movie about these monstrosities
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Imagine Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory being directed by Tom Hooper. The musical numbers are all headshots of the actors, and Augustus Gloop eats a few Oompa Loompas along the way because why the gently caress not.
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Bogus Adventure posted:Imagine Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory being directed by Tom Hooper. The musical numbers are all headshots of the actors, and Augustus Gloop eats a few Oompa Loompas along the way because why the gently caress not. Also all the Ooma Loompas re celebrity cameos who only got one take to make their performance because it's more authentic that way Also the grandpa is played by Ed Sheeran who got to compose an original song for the movie as an oscar bait steinrokkan fucked around with this message at 04:34 on Apr 10, 2020 |
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steinrokkan posted:Also all the Ooma Loompas re celebrity cameos who only got one take to make their performance because it's more authentic that way Lol, that would be perfect
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