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Can we be angry when we find out what he actually does? His majority means the majority of people who supported Corbyn also went for him - he will know this
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Jose posted:Everyone in this country loving hates centrists how has the last 4 years not proven this You're right. Going by last election, everyone loves right of centre parties.
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Eosinophils are fuckers, don't do poo poo about coronavirus. They just sit around complaining that there's no tapeworms for them to deal with, then they randomly get bored and start killing your tissues. Absolute bastards.
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Starmer has done nothing to convince me he's not going to do everything we in this thread have generally considered to be unforgivable.
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Aidan_702 posted:Can we be angry when we find out what he actually does? His majority means the majority of people who supported Corbyn also went for him - he will know this He got the leadership he doesn't have to give a poo poo any more.
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Apr 4, 2020 11:11
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V. Illych L. posted:loving idiots goddamn it what a disappointment gently caress off
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If you want a loud socialist vanguard you need to take it elsewhere. Mainstream politics isn't for your turbo idealism. What's dumb as poo poo is trying the same thing over and over and continuing to make pathetic excuses as for why it's failing rather than adapting to the environment.
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Keir Starmer is the Joe Biden of Labour and I will not support him.
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Barry Foster posted:So he will pay lip service to them while not pursuing them and in fact pursuing the exact opposite. I doubt that Keir Starmer has raped anyone. Like this is bad, but we still have our people in place and I hope (it may be forlorn but it is there) that we can try new things and hopefully push through stuff that is needed. We still have each other and I think rage is a good response, but it needs to be done with an eye to make things better, not just to be angry in ourselves.
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Azza Bamboo posted:If you want a loud socialist vanguard you need to take it elsewhere. Mainstream politics isn't for your turbo idealism. What's dumb as poo poo is trying the same thing over and over and continuing to make pathetic excuses as for why it's failing rather than adapting to the environment. Centrists have been losing all over the world for 2 decades.
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Barry Foster posted:Keir Starmer is the Joe Biden of Labour and I will not support him. All the joe bidens already left and got nuked out of existence in the last election
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Azza Bamboo posted:If you want a loud socialist vanguard you need to take it elsewhere. Mainstream politics isn't for your turbo idealism. What's dumb as poo poo is trying the same thing over and over and continuing to make pathetic excuses as for why it's failing rather than adapting to the environment. Just dumb as poo poo.
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Aidan_702 posted:Can we be angry when we find out what he actually does? His majority means the majority of people who supported Corbyn also went for him - he will know this He made his intention to reduce the say of the membership absolutely explicit during his campaign. If he intends to do what they want, then why?
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Aidan_702 posted:Can we be angry when we find out what he actually does? His majority means the majority of people who supported Corbyn also went for him - he will know this You can be angry when ever you want to chief. Not sure why "a bunch of Corbyn supporters are gullible idiots who just voted for the centrist candidate" is meant to be consolation to me though. The Labour Left have officially given up. 2 electoral defeats & we've handed the reins back to the Labour right. Who will be utterly ruthless in ensuring that the Labour left won't ever get a shot at the leadership again. Looking forward to Keir running to the right of Boris on austerity, that'll win votes. Azza Bamboo posted:If you want a loud socialist vanguard you need to take it elsewhere. Mainstream politics isn't for your turbo idealism. What's dumb as poo poo is trying the same thing over and over and continuing to make pathetic excuses as for why it's failing rather than adapting to the environment. "Adapting to the environment", by electing a pro-EU lawyer who doesn't really seem to stand for anything. That'll do it, that'll win it, we know the public love them some technocrats, which is why Gordon Brown won a historic 500 general elections in a row. Good to try something new by going back to Blairist technocracy. Woot woot! What the gently caress are you talking about you imbecile? Don't worry though, I realise there's no place for actually believing in things in the Labour Party. I am taking my "idealism" elsewhere. A party that stands for nothing I believe in won't get a penny from me or a second of effort in support. forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 11:16 on Apr 4, 2020 |
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Jose posted:Let's see how long this lasts All of this seems pretty good. Joe Biden is out there saying he'd veto universal healthcare, Starmer is publicly committing to pledges to nationalise major industries. He served loyally in Corbyn's cabinet. Why are people so convinced he's a dyed in the wool neoliberal?
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Communist Bear posted:You're right. Going by last election, everyone loves right of centre parties. boris wasn't offering a centre right party at the election
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forkboy84 posted:You can be angry when ever you want to chief. Not sure why "a bunch of Corbyn supporters are gullible idiots who just voted for the centrist candidate" is meant to be consolation to me though. Yup. peanut- posted:All of this seems pretty good. His personal history? What he's said he's going to do (ignore that fluff, treat it as the PR it is)?
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peanut- posted:All of this seems pretty good. The people funding and running his leadership campaign have all been openly rubbing themselves at the idea of purges against the left.
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Azza Bamboo posted:
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peanut- posted:All of this seems pretty good. Because the people who only vote for dyed in the wool neoliberals all came out to bat for him
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peanut- posted:All of this seems pretty good. He didn't serve loyally in Corbyn's cabinet. He quit during the chicken coup. loving nora.
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forkboy84 posted:He didn't serve loyally in Corbyn's cabinet. He quit during the chicken coup. loving nora. He was one of the organisers of the Chicken Coup if I remember right
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Azza Bamboo posted:If you want a loud socialist vanguard you need to take it elsewhere. Mainstream politics isn't for your turbo idealism. What's dumb as poo poo is trying the same thing over and over and continuing to make pathetic excuses as for why it's failing rather than adapting to the environment. I think the problem with this is everyone’s idea of turbo idealism is different. What Corbyn wanted wasn’t loving turbo idealism in any stretch of a decent person’s imagination but it go thoroughly smashed into that box amongst the electorate. The fine line between all this is unfortunately, basically tone. People are genuinely frightened of others flying the red flag and talk of gulagging tories and all that was attached to Corbyn. The bait and switch method is seemingly the only thing that works. ‘Sensible’ alternatives don’t work, because what’s sensible is nothing changing for the self made millionaire double glazers in essex who others aspire to be (for some reason)
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It's easy for you to criticise now that your preferred outcome will never be put to the test. I can't show you what another five years of socialists making pathetic excuses for themselves looks like. "Ooh the press" "ooh a conspiracy" "ooh the people are bad" if you can't stop making excuses and actually do something about it you're on a sinking ship.
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Aidan_702 posted:The bait and switch method is seemingly the only thing that works. When did it work, exactly?
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I think being cross is good only if it helps, Azza I think you have chosen extraordinarily badly in your voting and I think that you will probably see this across the next few months. If it does turn out bad, will you apologise? We've still got options, just not as many and we need to make sure that we are working towards something, Going out and helping people (especially at this time) and saying why you are helping "I'm a socialist" etc will be more important to a lot of folks than just ticking a box every few years.
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Azza Bamboo posted:It's easy for you to criticise now that your preferred outcome will never be put to the test. I can't show you what another five years of socialists making pathetic excuses for themselves looks like. What's the loving point of having power if you aren't going to do anything worthwhile with it? If the best you can do is a repeat of the 2000s without the Iraq War? Seriously. Like, fine, if what you want from the Labour Party is the red neoliberals in power instead of the blue neoliberals then congrats I guess but I actually think capitalism is bad & a rejection at the ballot box isn't going to change that.
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Hooray the man who sent out campaign posters with a big photo of his face and the word “AUTHORITY” has won, i love a bit of fascism me. I guess I’ll keep my membership as long as he can keep up the pretence of giving a poo poo about left-wing policies.
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I need someone to explain how the bait and switch works that is not "we hope all the people honking their clown horns about a return to Sensible Electable Centrism are lying and actually are proper leftist". I am willing to accept perhaps it is me who is the dummy here.
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Azza Bamboo posted:It's easy for you to criticise now that your preferred outcome will never be put to the test. I can't show you what another five years of socialists making pathetic excuses for themselves looks like. I like you Azza but this is a loving dogshit post.
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Thought we were supposed to be 20 points ahead by now? It is with regret that I call for Starmer to resign immediately and step aside for a popular and sensible leader.
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Aidan_702 posted:Can we be angry when we find out what he actually does? His majority means the majority of people who supported Corbyn also went for him - he will know this Depends how many entryists there were. In my own CLP of about 900 members, we had an influx of well over 200 'new' (some rejoining) members in January.
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Azza Bamboo posted:It's easy for you to criticise now that your preferred outcome will never be put to the test. I can't show you what another five years of socialists making pathetic excuses for themselves looks like. Just stupid as all gently caress. https://twitter.com/HowUpsetting/status/1246378334088564737
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I imagine in the next few months the party is going to appear as bi-partisan as possible, and it's going to make some big token moves to appear like it's doing something about the dumb anti Semitism thing. As a result everyone here will be screaming for my apology. What I want to wait for is the next manifesto, or at the very least the next conference, to see what they do with power and not just what they do while the press is watching.
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Gonzo McFee posted:The people funding and running his leadership campaign have all been openly rubbing themselves at the idea of purges against the left. Of course they have but the left is still there. I am absolutely dismayed that the likes of Hadley Freeman are tweeting “well thank God for that”. Look we didn’t get RLB in but let us please be honest - she would’ve been utterly monstered by even the most unpopular future tory. She’d be lucky to get even one more seat than now in the next election. Keir of course will also be monstered, but it’ll be harder to stick to Mr man of the empire. He, and the left itself will need to be cunning as gently caress in this time. We play on hard mode and getting visibly furious at the result just plays into the hands of all opponents. I don’t know - I’m just not hopeless and that seems to be a common habit of this thread. Elation then utter defeat and paralysis. Going Gen X cynical about not getting the right result does not help.
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Prism Mirror Lens posted:Hooray the man who sent out campaign posters with a big photo of his face and the word “AUTHORITY” has won, i love a bit of fascism me. I guess I’ll keep my membership as long as he can keep up the pretence of giving a poo poo about left-wing policies. These are pretty contradictory sentences.
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Azza Bamboo posted:I imagine in the next few months the party is going to appear as bi-partisan as possible, and it's going to make some big token moves to appear like it's doing something about the dumb anti Semitism thing. As a result everyone here will be screaming for my apology. What I want to wait for is the next manifesto, or at the very least the next conference, to see what they do with power and not just what they do while the press is watching. Why the gently caress would you want to appear Bi-partisan when the leading party is just about to have to explain thousands of deaths.
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We need to put aside our idealism and move back towards the sensible centre of politics, where the Lib Dems have met with such resounding success. The Labour right have backstabbed and shat all over Corbyn at every single opportunity from before he was even elected to right this very second. Why would you ever give them the benefit of the doubt or concede so much as a single inch to them ever again?
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Azza Bamboo posted:I imagine in the next few months the party is going to appear as bi-partisan as possible, and it's going to make some big token moves to appear like it's doing something about the dumb anti Semitism thing. As a result everyone here will be screaming for my apology. What I want to wait for is the next manifesto, or at the very least the next conference, to see what they do with power and not just what they do while the press is watching. I'll give Keir as long as the Labour right gave Corbyn in 2015, which is to say not a loving second.
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josh04 posted:Tbf "net worth" articles are always total horseshit. You don't get an invite to the Bullingdon Club unless you're minted though, so it's probably fair.
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