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OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I like your tweets jose they're usually at least slightly funny or informative.

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baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

XMNN posted:

I'm just highly sceptical of anything that these people are so pleased by

I would be very happy to be wrong though

should probably go to bed before I end up quitting tonight lol

It's obviously disappointing, but I think people were prepared for it - the important thing is Starmer pushed himself as a unifier, he made a lot of promises, and he needs to be held to them. The bad people are out to push a counternarrative that "we won" and "the leftist experiment is over"

and in time it might be true, maybe that's what Starmer as leader really means - but right now they're trying to assert dominance and say they're in charge now, so expect a lot of performative celebrating and don't let them have it

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

Pictured: Poster prepares to celebrate Holy Communion (probablY)

This avatar made possible by a gift from the Religionthread Posters Relief Fund
Jesus Christ why are so many people so eager to feel angry and upset?

Is there an actual reason for it, or is it because we are trained like Pavlov's loving dogs to just get angry at poo poo because it's the only emotion we can actually feel.

XMNN
Apr 26, 2008
I am incredibly stupid

jabby posted:

Right now everyone is crowing about Corbyn being gone. It doesn't necessarily mean Starmer will dance to their tune.

My opinion, the Left called for unity when Corbyn was elected and we didn't get it. We faced down a bunch of undemocratic attempts to remove him. But Starmer won fair and square under the same one-man-one-vote system, so if I expected people to give Corbyn a chance who didn't necessarily share his politics I'm certainly going to give Starmer the same courtesy. Fingers crossed he continues to push for unity, ideally around a platform very similar to the one advanced by Corbyn.

If he fucks it, he fucks it. But there's no sense despairing just yet.
eh the only people whose loyalty I was concerned about were MPs, random celebrities quitting the party didn't really bother me and I wouldn't really expect anyone to stay in a party that they've got no faith in

I'll absolutely give him a chance, if labour keeps the same policy direction then that's fantastic, but if we're back to being a fully melt party then I'm not wasting my time

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

XMNN posted:

eh the only people whose loyalty I was concerned about were MPs, random celebrities quitting the party didn't really bother me and I wouldn't really expect anyone to stay in a party that they've got no faith in

I'll absolutely give him a chance, if labour keeps the same policy direction then that's fantastic, but if we're back to being a fully melt party then I'm not wasting my time

You went full misery porn on it

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Anger is the other side of care, I don't think you can care about things and not get angry about them. And there are a lot of people out there who are feeling very good who have absolutely no right to because they have done nothing with their lives but make other people miserable.

Anger is an important thing to feel, but a difficult thing to discharge when the appropriate channels for it are denied you.

Vitamin P
Nov 19, 2013

Truth is game rigging is more difficult than it looks pls stay ded
Feel a bit of a distance to the thread on Kier tbh, he was by all accounts a big player in making Labour put a second-ref in the manifesto and that was a loving electoral disaster choice and legit completely unprincipled and I Did Say but eh. Honestly have never felt so disconnected from politics. Congats UKMT libs you just achieved a big step towards rejoining your lovely EU and we have a guaranteed decade of daily torture for the disabled that will pay for it hope it feels good.

bump_fn
Apr 12, 2004

two of them
what’s wrong with regular porn

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Honestly at this point if given the choice again I might vote leave just because nothing has made me hate remainers half as much as the past few years.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Vitamin P posted:

Feel a bit of a distance to the thread on Kier tbh, he was by all accounts a big player in making Labour put a second-ref in the manifesto and that was a loving electoral disaster choice and legit completely unprincipled and I Did Say but eh. Honestly have never felt so disconnected from politics. Congats UKMT libs you just achieved a big step towards rejoining your lovely EU and we have a guaranteed decade of daily torture for the disabled that will pay for it hope it feels good.

Hardly anyone here voted for him you oval office but I guess let's just give him no time at all before pining for nandys brand of nationalism

HJB
Feb 16, 2011

:swoon: I can't get enough of are Dan :swoon:
http://camdennewjournal.com/article/david-miliband-backs-sir-keir-starmer-selection-contest-holborn-and-st-pancras-officia
https://web.archive.org/web/20141031183527/keirstarmer.com/endorsers

I'm in a Google-y hunt-y mood but it can wait until tomorrow.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
https://twitter.com/MikeGapes/status/1246386907732377600?s=19

At least Mike Gapes is still mad. I mean almost entirely because Starmer has been in charge for twelve hours and hasn't bombed somewhere, but you know.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

crispix posted:

That's quite a picture. He looks like he's been wanking off a pair of ghosts to the point where he no longer wants to live
What else are you going to do during lockdown?

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Guavanaut posted:

What else are you going to do during lockdown?

Some people live in newer housing stock, we don't all have the rich wankable ghost variety or structural stability you do.

Alternatively I knew someone who lived in a converted coach house so there is presumably a reasonable chance you'd be doing necrobestaility if you wanked off a ghost in there.

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear
Have any of yous ever lived in a house with a ghost?!?!? :ghost: :spooky: :ohdear:

Vitamin P
Nov 19, 2013

Truth is game rigging is more difficult than it looks pls stay ded

Jose posted:

Hardly anyone here voted for him you oval office but I guess let's just give him no time at all before pining for nandys brand of nationalism

Never accused anyone of voting for him, but this thread hiveminded nastily against any idea of respecting the referendum result so how is this not the exact result you wanted? Awsome lefty manifesto + respecting the referendum = historically unprecedented swing to the good, Awesome lefty manifesto + making GBS threads on the referendum result= getting historically owned.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Josef bugman posted:

Jesus Christ why are so many people so eager to feel angry and upset?

Is there an actual reason for it, or is it because we are trained like Pavlov's loving dogs to just get angry at poo poo because it's the only emotion we can actually feel.

i can also feel horny

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I think people were more concerned with how you "respect the result of the referendum" when the result of the referendum was maximum racism and also fascism please.

Like you've seen the kind of poo poo leavers wanted, it's poo poo like the death penalty and national service and other dogshit like that. Which is why they all voted for the tories.

Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

Vitamin P posted:

Never accused anyone of voting for him, but this thread hiveminded nastily against any idea of respecting the referendum result so how is this not the exact result you wanted? Awsome lefty manifesto + respecting the referendum = historically unprecedented swing to the good, Awesome lefty manifesto + making GBS threads on the referendum result= getting historically owned.

who the gently caress are you arguing with

DrSnakeLaser
Sep 6, 2011


Chatting with my neighbour (from a distance) she brought up that she hadn't seen me outside clapping and she forgot on Friday so had a bit of a finger wagging from another neighbour for being late.

I'm not doing it mainly because this town is overwhelmingly conservative voters so it comes off as an empty gesture, but gently caress me that its now an obligation.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

crispix posted:

Have any of yous ever lived in a house with a ghost?!?!? :ghost: :spooky: :ohdear:
I stayed in a farmhouse in France once where some construction workers had built some kind of shrine in the attic, with a little wooden cross and woven basket with some items in. The attic was full of flies, and the only reason I found that shrine was that maggots were dropping down into one of the bedrooms from that part of the attic.

No idea what had happened up there but the overall result was pretty :spooky:

OwlFancier posted:

Like you've seen the kind of poo poo leavers wanted, it's poo poo like the death penalty and national service and other dogshit like that. Which is why they all voted for the tories.
And incandescent lightbulbs!

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Guavanaut posted:

And incandescent lightbulbs!

Possibly worse than the death penalty.

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear

Guavanaut posted:

I stayed in a farmhouse in France once where some construction workers had built some kind of shrine in the attic, with a little wooden cross and woven basket with some items in. The attic was full of flies, and the only reason I found that shrine was that maggots were dropping down into one of the bedrooms from that part of the attic.

No idea what had happened up there but the overall result was pretty :spooky:

And incandescent lightbulbs!

That's crazy. Builders are among the last people I would expect to be dabbling in all paranormal type activities. Is this normal in France? What about car mechanics? Imagine going to get your tyres balanced and the bloke starts asking you if you believe in a god

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
They were French builders in Northern France. Not sure what kind of thing they had going on. Maybe they built a shrine for a saint's day and Extremely Prod Jesus cursed it with flies.

Or the basket had some fruit in and it was just a natural process explainable by science. But I didn't see any fruit remains and it was still weird to be woken up by people shouting about rains of maggots.

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

Vitamin P posted:

Awsome lefty manifesto + respecting the referendum = historically unprecedented swing to the good

bing + bong = simples

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

That's actually fairly normal historically speaking, I think, people would often build small shrines or leave objects in buildings to ward off bad vibes and stuff.

winegums
Dec 21, 2012


Lot of posting in this thread recently. Lot going on. Lot of people staying at home.

Hard to keep up with the thread. Please stop posting tia.


Recent hospital updates from me, winegums, medic on the front line:

- We are doing regular reviews of oxygen supplies as it's running short
- Many operations normally done laproscopically ("keyhole" surgery) are now converted to open procedures (bigger cuts in the belly) as the gas machines used to inflate the abdomen are open systems and would pump covid-infected air through the operating theatre. means longer recovery/increased risk of post-op complications.
- PPE advice is changing all the loving time. it's inconsistent between trusts/hospitals.
- We keep running out of masks. So you get fit-tested for any given mask (involves putting it on, seeing if you can smell a solvent whilst wearing it. if not, it fits/keeps aerosol out), then a few days later we've ran out so now you need to be re-tested for a new mask. Our trust has ran out of the smelling aerosol because of the amount of testing we've done.

Stay safe, goons

bump_fn
Apr 12, 2004

two of them

winegums posted:

Lot of posting in this thread recently. Lot going on. Lot of people staying at home.

Hard to keep up with the thread. Please stop posting tia.


Recent hospital updates from me, winegums, medic on the front line:

- We are doing regular reviews of oxygen supplies as it's running short
- Many operations normally done laproscopically ("keyhole" surgery) are now converted to open procedures (bigger cuts in the belly) as the gas machines used to inflate the abdomen are open systems and would pump covid-infected air through the operating theatre. means longer recovery/increased risk of post-op complications.
- PPE advice is changing all the loving time. it's inconsistent between trusts/hospitals.
- We keep running out of masks. So you get fit-tested for any given mask (involves putting it on, seeing if you can smell a solvent whilst wearing it. if not, it fits/keeps aerosol out), then a few days later we've ran out so now you need to be re-tested for a new mask. Our trust has ran out of the smelling aerosol because of the amount of testing we've done.

Stay safe, goons

thanks

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

yeah I saw stories about oxygen running out next week in some places. Is that something we could step up production of or what?

stay safe yourself winegums, and all the other medgoons in here. and everyone else, stay out of hospital!!

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

OwlFancier posted:

That's actually fairly normal historically speaking, I think, people would often build small shrines or leave objects in buildings to ward off bad vibes and stuff.
The abnormal bit was the rain of maggots and general vibes, but I think that's likely it.

Like I was woken up with people shouting about maggots raining from the ceilings in one bedroom, got dressed, went into the attic, saw nothing, went through the crawl hole into the roof space above that room, and saw a wooden shrine, heard very loud buzzing, and was like "huh, this is a really loving weird place."

But the most probable thing is that a 2000s builder left his packed lunch somewhere in the same space where a 1600s builder had left a small shrine.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

baka kaba posted:

yeah I saw stories about oxygen running out next week in some places. Is that something we could step up production of or what?

stay safe yourself winegums, and all the other medgoons in here. and everyone else, stay out of hospital!!

most decent-sized hospitals have their own oxygen generation plants because nobody wants to be lugging the stuff around that much. The problem is that those plants will be set up to supply enough oxygen for a certain amount of beds and we're asking/going to be asking them to supply to lots more than that. This isn't as much of a problem as it sounds, as they're not running 24/7 - they maybe run a couple of hours overnight to refill the reserve tank(s), so production can keep up with the higher demands, but they then have a much smaller reserve to allow for breakdown/maintenance, and breakdowns will of course be more frequent because they're being asked to run much more - this is what happened at the hospital that had to close its A&E today, the plant failed and they needed to protect the reserve so no new admissions.

Smaller hospitals, or older ones without plumbed-in oxygen, rely on deliveries of cylinders - while availability of the cylinders and the oxygen to fill them isn't an issue, the transport to move them in the higher amounts needed is a bottleneck.

Gyro Zeppeli
Jul 19, 2012

sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

Guavanaut posted:

The abnormal bit was the rain of maggots and general vibes, but I think that's likely it.

Like I was woken up with people shouting about maggots raining from the ceilings in one bedroom, got dressed, went into the attic, saw nothing, went through the crawl hole into the roof space above that room, and saw a wooden shrine, heard very loud buzzing, and was like "huh, this is a really loving weird place."

But the most probable thing is that a 2000s builder left his packed lunch somewhere in the same space where a 1600s builder had left a small shrine.

Fair play, had I come across a shrine raining maggots upon people, I'm not even religious and I'd at least be...concerned.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Also the slight risk of someone blowing up a hospital because they decided to stack a tonne of oxygen cylinders in a cupboard somewhere.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

DrSnakeLaser posted:

Chatting with my neighbour (from a distance) she brought up that she hadn't seen me outside clapping and she forgot on Friday so had a bit of a finger wagging from another neighbour for being late.

I'm not doing it mainly because this town is overwhelmingly conservative voters so it comes off as an empty gesture, but gently caress me that its now an obligation.

You tell them that frontline worker Gonzo McFee says to shut the gently caress up if you voted tory and you don't get to clap.

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

Ahhh right, I thought maybe it was delivered in tankers or something, so you could just do that more. If it's all on-site and the only delivery setup is cylinders then yeah, that's not great

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Apparently BOC do have oxygen tankers but that requires you have a giant high pressure/liquid oxygen tank somewhere on the site, which is... probably going to require a bit of clearance.

Wiggly Wayne DDS
Sep 11, 2010



there's more bottlenecks than oxygen - any muscle relaxant for intubation for the coveted ventilators is being ignored

then there's the unanswered personnel problem, next year is going to be rough, next few weeks will be even more of an eye-opener, and we'll act as if we could never foresee this situation at all

winegums
Dec 21, 2012


Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:

there's more bottlenecks than oxygen - any muscle relaxant for intubation for the coveted ventilators is being ignored

then there's the unanswered personnel problem, next year is going to be rough, next few weeks will be even more of an eye-opener, and we'll act as if we could never foresee this situation at all

Oh yeah, the simplification of "just get enough vents for everyone in the country to have one and we're fine" has shown so clearly how utterly dogshit our media is at trying to explain anything.

They don't understand it, and a long time ago the media decided to fire any actual science/medicine correspondents who could talk about these issues properly. That's why you get Peston challenging a professor of infectious diseases on immunoglobulin testing as though they're equals in scientific discourse.

Purple Prince
Aug 20, 2011

OwlFancier posted:

I think people were more concerned with how you "respect the result of the referendum" when the result of the referendum was maximum racism and also fascism please.

Like you've seen the kind of poo poo leavers wanted, it's poo poo like the death penalty and national service and other dogshit like that. Which is why they all voted for the tories.

We live in a democracy, which means you have to agree with the electoral majority or be ostracised, scum.

Wait no, that's why the US put in a load of constitutional protections against democracy turning into mob rule.

The people voted for National Socialism and we're gonna give it to em in the true spirit of the left!

Um wait.

These big brained takes including Kier's pitch seem to hang on the Great British Public always being right, which makes sense for election purposes (in the same way the customer being right makes sense for business purposes), but actually we know that:

1) The Great British Public is consistently wrong about everything.
2) They consistently vote against their own interests

If your electorate is hosed and out of touch with reality, what's the solution besides dictatorship or technocracy?

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jabby
Oct 27, 2010

winegums posted:

Lot of posting in this thread recently. Lot going on. Lot of people staying at home.

Hard to keep up with the thread. Please stop posting tia.


Recent hospital updates from me, winegums, medic on the front line:

- We are doing regular reviews of oxygen supplies as it's running short
- Many operations normally done laproscopically ("keyhole" surgery) are now converted to open procedures (bigger cuts in the belly) as the gas machines used to inflate the abdomen are open systems and would pump covid-infected air through the operating theatre. means longer recovery/increased risk of post-op complications.
- PPE advice is changing all the loving time. it's inconsistent between trusts/hospitals.
- We keep running out of masks. So you get fit-tested for any given mask (involves putting it on, seeing if you can smell a solvent whilst wearing it. if not, it fits/keeps aerosol out), then a few days later we've ran out so now you need to be re-tested for a new mask. Our trust has ran out of the smelling aerosol because of the amount of testing we've done.

Stay safe, goons

My trust stopped doing mask fitting weeks ago to preserve their stock of masks, and everyone in authority been ignoring my repeated emails pointing to the HSE and PHE guidance and asking if they are really telling people to wear masks they haven't been fitted for.

Spoiler: they are making people wear masks they haven't been fitted for, they just won't explicitly say so or put it in the guidance because then they might be liable when we die. Easier to just cancel all the mask fitting, tell people to use the masks, and ignore any questions about it. Then if anyone dies tell their family it was their own fault for wearing a mask they hadn't been fitted for, of course the trust never advocated anyone do that.

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