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Cerv posted:I think the government would rather keep a good relationship with the Excel, host of annual DSEI exhibition Lol but I'm sure they could find somewhere else to host it
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Doing some spring cleaning and found this: 
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https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1246854144415141888?s=20 feel like pure poo poo just want him back
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Apr 5, 2020 18:38
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https://twitter.com/MikeSegalov/status/1246848400835973122
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Answers Me posted:https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1246854144415141888?s=20 He might well stand down at the next election but he's still an MP and will undoubtably be spending a lot of his free time continuing to campaign on the issues he cares about even when he does. He's still an active asset if you care about the man and there are still political projects to associate and fight for if you're taking a wider view. To be honest, not actually becoming PM has probably saved his life as well which is good.
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Apr 5, 2020 18:51
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I’m late to the lost cat chat but I think Facebook do local advertisements to a limited geographical area, so if you roughly know where the cat might be (is it 5 houses each way?) you might be able to target your neighbours with a lost kitty ad and pic
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Apr 5, 2020 19:05
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ThomasPaine posted:Burgon meant well but didn't have nearly the potential of McDonnell as a continuity figure Big John is 68 and already wanted to retire, his entire role in Corbyn's cabinet was to burn his accumulated decades of left cred by whipping a commitment to a balanced budget and managing to be harsher than Ed Miliband on welfare I've laid out my thesis there before: Corbyn coasted a great deal on the mythos of being a old veteran of the 1980s so that he could fuse hard-left enthusiasm without actually scaring off the new base, which likes the aura of heroic struggle without actually liking hard left policies in detail (say, the positions the hard left actually held in the 1980s, like unilateral withdrawal from Northern Ireland, or that Bennite fascination with autarky and contempt for the common market). It's a kind of generational inversion of baby boomers invoking the blitz spirit... "why yes, of course I'd have manned the poll tax barricades if I had been there, not wrung my hands about legalities" when in actuality Corbynism drew its numbers from a soft-left revolt of middle-class priorities against the rule of the means-testers and R2Pers: a crowd that does not really give that much of a drat about austerity (see: 2017 manifesto), whose abhorrence for new military adventures does not actually translate to opposing NATO expansion or Trident, and notably is deeply averse to rejecting free trade and economic integration (see: Brexit). So it was never possible to have Corbynism find a continuity figure that could charm a crowd on nonspecifics. The problem with old names from the 1980s: they're old and want to retire, and even if they didn't want to retire, their illustrious careers from the 1980s also fills their closet full of skeletons. JC himself was quite possibly the least skeleton-prone of the old Socialist Campaign Group lot. The problem with new names, whether or not they offer the reddest meat and openly curse liberals, class traitors, the Israel lobby, &c or merely have disquieting rhetoric on capitalism: the contemporary soft left is only there because they (not unreasonably) did not trust the party centrists to prioritize not means-testing tuition fees, and conversely the hard left are not actually all that enthusiastic about continuity Corbyn policies without continuity dark hints about abolishing capitalism now, and any young name would have to elaborate in ways that would instantly alienate one side or the other. Corbyn did not need to promise consulting members on war to show the most war-concerned members how opposed to military adventures he would be, but Burgon did need to do so. It is interesting times for UK left observers now (most of whom did not see Corbyn/Sanders becoming as influential as they would be back in 2015 either)... a return to the caution of the early oughts, perhaps, in arguing that capitalism is of course self-evidently discredited by
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jabby posted:The Minister for the Duchy of Whatever has exactly the influence the PM wants them to have. If he had to offer a top job to someone from the right of the party, which he arguably did to back up his constant calls for unity, I'm glad it's that one and not one of the others. I'm glad you're glad. Are you unemployed or disabled?
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Apr 5, 2020 19:11
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I agree it'll be impossible to recreate the Corbyn coalition but thankfully it's now the centrists that are going to lose it and publicly lose it as the party sheds members very largely and very loudly. There's no credible national organisations otherwise to attract them annoyingly but since there are many still relevant and important issues and campaigns of national and international importance many of those people won't simply disappear again or revert to purely local issues so it'll be a rough period of rebuilding outside of Labour but there's a lot of pressures to do so and I'll be working to make it happen which is always encouraging.
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namesake posted:It's now the centrists that are going to lose it and publicly lose it as the party sheds members very largely and very loudly. Corbyn destroyed the party 
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Apr 5, 2020 19:24
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I don't know that they are going to throw a wobbler so much as they're likely to be very happy about that and the press will back them up on it. And of course they know full well there is not and likely will not be anyone else people can vote for.
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Apr 5, 2020 19:25
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When I say 'it' I mean the coalition, it'll be the high point of Labour membership going forward and it'll very clearly have a start and finish with Corbyn. Centrist Labour and its boosters will be operating like it's shedding the 'bad' left and picking up the 'sensible' ones but the actual numbers will show they're just losing members overall.
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Apr 5, 2020 19:32
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Yes, but again I don't think that actually matters, all they have to do is stop any other party forming, which is not difficult in the westminster system. Either they are out of power but they can share the remaining seats among their rancid selves, or they are in power because there's nobody else to vote for. Either way they're happy, and can write as many guardian columns as they want.
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Apr 5, 2020 19:34
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inmates eh? https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1246860610626871296?s=20
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Apr 5, 2020 19:36
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The queen is apparently going to say gently caress and bollocks on tv
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Apr 5, 2020 19:42
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lmao https://twitter.com/AmandaPresto/status/1246546395886170117?s=20
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Apr 5, 2020 19:44
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Grampa Joe doesn't know how to go on the computer
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Apr 5, 2020 19:46
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I am genuinely amazed that trump has managed to latch on to the idea that biden's brain is rotting and he somehow manages to come off more cogent than he does lol.
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Apr 5, 2020 19:47
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OwlFancier posted:Yes, but again I don't think that actually matters, all they have to do is stop any other party forming, which is not difficult in the westminster system. Either they are out of power but they can share the remaining seats among their rancid selves, or they are in power because there's nobody else to vote for. Either way they're happy, and can write as many guardian columns as they want. And the point I've consistently made while posting is that the parliamentary system was never going to deliver the sorts of results we need so it was worth making gains in the party and forcing changes in the public conversation via the party while the chance was there but the issues are still present and there are different battlefields to fight on.
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Is this gonna be like the Christmas Queen's speech where it's filmed 6 weeks in advance, so she's gonna tell us how important it is that we all wash our hands?
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Apr 5, 2020 19:59
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The Queens dentist sucks, talk about enabling a national stereotype.
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Tarnop posted:I'm glad you're glad. Are you unemployed or disabled? I'm glad she didn't get a more important job, that must mean I don't care about the unemployed or disabled. Give me a loving break.
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Fumble posted:The Queens dentist sucks, talk about enabling a national stereotype. She's about a hundred years old, op
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Apr 5, 2020 20:11
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crispix posted:She's about a hundred years old, op She can probably get a an allowance for some crowns.
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Apr 5, 2020 20:13
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Fumble posted:She can probably get a an allowance for some crowns. I don't think she has any shortage of those as it is!!!!!!!!  Do yous think it would be a patriotic act to poo poo on the picnic of anyone stupid enough to be having one in public atm. Just go around like a scatological yogi bear
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Answers Me posted:I wonder if any Tories or their families have business interests tied into whatever holding companies are involved in this... They're not charging any rent, from the press release they wanted some money for maintenance fees but they've seemed to have waived that from the bad press.
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MonkeyLibFront posted:They're not charging any rent, from the press release they wanted some money for maintenance fees but they've seemed to have waived that from the bad press. Wow, the press actually being helpful for a change.
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jabby posted:I'm glad she didn't get a more important job, that must mean I don't care about the unemployed or disabled. Give me a loving break. Why justify her appointment as necessary for party unity? e: sorry, my mistake. When you said "glad it was that one" I thought you meant you were glad it was Reeves and not another right winger. Ignore me, I'm just angry and lashing out Tarnop fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Apr 5, 2020 |
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We're going to stuck with Starmer for like ten years. He's the new Kinnock
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Apr 5, 2020 20:45
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Ronya is right about Corbynism being a lot more left in rhetoric than policy. So it wouldn't be hard for Kier to be as materially good as Corbyn politically. I didn't vote for Kier but I wouldn't have voted McDonnell either. It's basically down to whether he is genuinely gonna a) try to b) succeed at pleasing both sides. A lot of chattering class types could handle Corbyn policies but without a distasteful figure in charge, a posh lawyer, phew!
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Apr 5, 2020 20:49
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The problem I'm wondering about is if it's even mathematically possible for Labour to win a majority in the next election.
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Apr 5, 2020 20:52
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probably been posted but lol  labourhttps://twitter.com/SocAgainstAS/status/1246860260096315392?s=20 the sheer chaotic energy of barber capitalising her surname but not her first name though, is she ever not deliriously gin drunk
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Apr 5, 2020 20:55
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How do you do, fellow proles https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1246879088951857154
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Apr 5, 2020 21:00
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Love me some of that muscular liberalism, wonder if he'll be declaring war on it next.
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Apr 5, 2020 21:01
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His wee Twitter picture makes it look like he's singing the opening lines of the tune from Titanic at karaoke
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Kinda frustrating because we all know that, not being a de facto Brexit election, Labour will probably pick up a few marginals next time round but still lose by a heavy margin, but that tiny gain will be taken as evidence that Starmer is doing a better job than Corbyn ever was. Everyone will very conveniently forget 2017.
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