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Mithaldu posted:You do this, but with a tiger. gently caress THIS
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DrGreatJob posted:Within the next 10 days, we'll hit the point where more people die everyday from Coronavirus than died in 9/11, with more total deaths than the Korean War. The U.S. could reasonably surpass the Civil War. I expect more Americans to die to this than have died in all wars America has ever fought.
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# ? Apr 6, 2020 03:04 |
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nullEntityRNG posted:Honest question, how actually effective and scalable is this drug. The data I've seen is just a small sample size coming from China and a TON of anecdotal evidence. I think that’s all it is, just anecdotal but nothing official, but someone mentioned it to Trump and his drug addled brain latched onto it and his idiot worshippers have started using it as a political talking point.
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rotinaj posted:So I just want to bitch about my work situation. I’m in a northeastern state, and we are under a shelter at home order, but essential workers can go to work. I work for a company that makes medical products, but my entire facility is devoted to a product used in fertility medicine. I make stuff that has a 80 day expiration date, and the world won’t get back to normal enough for normal fertility doctors to be running again in that time. Fertility docs are still doing their thing. That poo poo is extremely expensive and some methods stopping and starting over is a big deal and couples would be out a ton of money. That being said I would agree that it should not be labeled essential.
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Plus you can steal it from your fish's medical cabinet, the dumb bastards...
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Hazo posted:I think that’s all it is, just anecdotal but nothing official, but someone mentioned it to Trump and his drug addled brain latched onto it and his idiot worshippers have started using it as a political talking point. There have been some bad studies and maybe one better study that has some unanswered questions about its methodology.
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D-Pad posted:Fertility docs are still doing their thing. That poo poo is extremely expensive and some methods stopping and starting over is a big deal and couples would be out a ton of money. That being said I would agree that it should not be labeled essential. well, that makes me feel slightly better. I figured they'd have all closed up shop to avoid being a source of exposure, getting exposed, diverting medical supplies from lifesaving measures, or being distracted trying to help with Covid patients. Maybe some of the stuff I'm spending my time making will be useful.
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Hazo posted:I think that’s all it is, just anecdotal but nothing official, but someone mentioned it to Trump and his drug addled brain latched onto it and his idiot worshipers have started using it as a political talking point. Pretty much, probably someone told him that they started clinical trial and had some positive result and he interpreted it as a solution. It's the kind of technique that someone who failed forward all their life would do. Because if it work, they can take credit for it, if not, well they just going to denied they ever talk about it, try to brush it aside, or throw someone under the bus for it. Bleusilences fucked around with this message at 03:32 on Apr 6, 2020 |
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other people posted:We had to clean our own apartment this weekend and it sucked. Like we didn't even know what half the bottles of soap/chemicals we found were for lol. I really think it is time we start relaxing the restrictions on movement; people can't live like this. what are you even saying here, that your maid isn't able to come over and that's your problem? cleaning poo poo is not that hard. read the labels Ugly In The Morning posted:I’m headed to the doctors now. I have never been this sick before. I’m in the back of a car with a mask on and it’s basically like that “you’re gonna be ok!” Scene in reservoir dogs. I’m loving scared. I have been sick before but this is bad. I'll be hoping for the best for you, we all will. Just because you're very sick doesn't mean you're doomed, you'll get through this. ThermoPhysical posted:Despite all of my efforts to try and NOT catch this virus, I'm definitely going to catch it. My sister keeps constantly coming over, constantly bringing her adopted daughter. Constantly asking for favors because she doesn't have a printer nor does she know how to use a computer. She just left McDonald's before coming over. She has no mask, no gloves, nothing on herself or her daughter. You need to explain to your sister that she can't come over, man. Even if it is your mom's place, that's just not safe. It's really time to stay in the house you live in Piggy Smalls posted:Scary times. I get scared about any pain my body feels. Currently have a sore throat. Mild cough but could be I’m catching a cold or something worse. My anxiety is at a peak level these days. I had a heart attack 5 years ago and my heart is poo poo. I don’t think I’d survive this illness if I get it. Focus on the here and now, be in the present. Look at this as an opportunity to protect yourself and you neighbors through good habits, and a chance to witness history. Be smart about where you go and what you do. The vast majority of people will still be fine. HoAssHo posted:Does anyone else feel like a bougie piece of poo poo getting groceries delivered? Why am I making this person risk their life so I can have almond milk? Like I'm too good to get my own groceries. ugh. What if I tip really excessively to the point where it's almost a little patronizing? Will that make it okay? A large tip would do a lot, I'm sure. Think of it as hazard pay and assume it's a given in this kind of situation. Better to help support someone else who is already moving from place to place than to potentially expose others to someone who is normally inside. As for myself, I did take a quick run the other day, through a large park near my house. Was able to avoid even passing by anybody, I didn't see that many people and those I did see were mostly groups of 1 or 2. A couple bikers. Most people seem to be taking it seriously. People taking it seriously is most likely why San Francisco isn't New York right now, because they instituted shelter in place early and started shutting things down way ahead of the curve
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Huh,weird.
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# ? Apr 6, 2020 03:53 |
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Telsa Cola posted:Huh,weird. nature is so loving weird
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Oh my God please go back to talking about the virus
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Telsa Cola posted:Huh,weird. Is the Eastern Asspecker known to be CORVID free? Asking for a friends rear end.
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QuarkJets posted:The part of Hawaii I live in closed the parks awhile ago. I drove to the grocery store yesterday and didn't see anyone in those parks, I'm happy to say. I am almost afraid to ask, but what is Hawaii doing about its homeless population?
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Platystemon posted:The U.S. could reasonably surpass the Civil War. Oh come on, we're at 10k dead right now and you expect us to have a million fatalities? What do you think is going to make the US such a huge outlier that we have a months- or year-long peak of infection rates and deaths when every other country in the world has had a 1-2 week peak and then a slowing in the rate. We're already seeing that here. This is going to be a grim week or so, but then the fatality rate is going to slow as it tracks with the new infections, same as everywhere else, there is no reason to expect otherwise. This is a crisis for sure, but there is absolutely no cause to be making up disaster porn about it.
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I said come in! posted:I am almost afraid to ask, but what is Hawaii doing about its homeless population? Volcano sacrifices.
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Telsa Cola posted:Huh,weird. What do you think that birds dick looks like
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Uncle Lloyd posted:Oh come on, we're at 10k dead right now and you expect us to have a million fatalities? What do you think is going to make the US such a huge outlier that we have a months- or year-long peak of infection rates and deaths when every other country in the world has had a 1-2 week peak and then a slowing in the rate. We're already seeing that here. This is going to be a grim week or so, but then the fatality rate is going to slow as it tracks with the new infections, same as everywhere else, there is no reason to expect otherwise. This is a crisis for sure, but there is absolutely no cause to be making up disaster porn about it. Stop trying to extrapolate the end state from the curve. That doesn’t work here any better than it works in the stock market. Consider the mechanics of the scenario. The only way the virus “burns out” is if it runs out of fresh hosts. R0 must be brought below 1. China did that with lockdowns. The West isn’t doing that. We are slowing the virus, but we are in no way stopping it. If we aren’t stopping it, it will sooner or later infect a large fraction of the population, forty to eight percent. It would take a miracle to keep the fatality rate below South Korea’s. South Korea has more favorable demographics and the hospitals there were never overwhelmed. Do the arithmetic on what that means for a population of three hundred and thirty million.
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bird with big dick posted:What do you think that birds dick looks like you tell us, bird with bird dick
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bird with big dick posted:What do you think that birds dick looks like "W...what?" "DOES. IT. LOOK. LIKE. A. FINCH?"
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bird with big dick posted:What do you think that birds dick looks like If it if a duck, corkscrewed.
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this thread has been very helpful and informative, can we all go vote it higher so it doesn’t get leper’s colonied? it’s at 2 right now
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I just learned you can vote on mobile. I also just remembered voting is a thing.
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rotinaj posted:well, that makes me feel slightly better. I figured they'd have all closed up shop to avoid being a source of exposure, getting exposed, diverting medical supplies from lifesaving measures, or being distracted trying to help with Covid patients. To be fair, they probably are closed for the most part in New York, but I know for a fact some are still going in areas that haven't been hit hard yet. Uncle Lloyd posted:Oh come on, we're at 10k dead right now and you expect us to have a million fatalities? What do you think is going to make the US such a huge outlier that we have a months- or year-long peak of infection rates and deaths when every other country in the world has had a 1-2 week peak and then a slowing in the rate. We're already seeing that here. This is going to be a grim week or so, but then the fatality rate is going to slow as it tracks with the new infections, same as everywhere else, there is no reason to expect otherwise. This is a crisis for sure, but there is absolutely no cause to be making up disaster porn about it. I'm not saying he is right about a million deaths, but what exactly do you think happens after that 1-2 week peak? If we relax the shelters in place we immediately start working back towards the same peak. Do you think the American public will be ok continuing as we are now for up to 18 months before we get a vaccine? It's unrealistic to think that is possible for many different reasons. Those other countries only had a 2 week max peak because, like America is doing now, most people didn't take it seriously until the peak started. Once they did the clock started until it plateaued 2 weeks later because of the lag time. I don't have much faith that at some point in the next 1-2 months the American public, egged on by the political and wealthy class, won't just say YOLO and go back to business as usual as our health care system melts down. Flattening the curve is great, but it doesn't mean we beat this anytime soon. If 40%-70% of the population gets this as many experts predict we could easily have a million dead even with a health care system that isn't overwhelmed.
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Honest question. Had Trump told anyone to take chloroquine or that it is the cure? Or is it more along the lines of "it's promising, and we're going to speed up trials on it"?
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D-Pad posted:To be fair, they probably are closed for the most part in New York, but I know for a fact some are still going in areas that haven't been hit hard yet. Americans are 100% going to Yolo in about a month. They'll just say "gently caress it, i promise I won't go near any old people." and head back to work. And their leaders will cheer them on.
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D-Pad posted:Flattening the curve is great, but it doesn't mean we beat this anytime soon. If 40%-70% of the population gets this as many experts predict we could easily have a million dead even with a health care system that isn't overwhelmed. The only way we avoid a bodycount that high is with some combination of social distancing to slow the spread, a vaccine, and actual effective treatments. The vaccine/social distancing help keep you from getting it in the first place, while a treatment can save your rear end if you do get it. Until we have a treatment or a vaccine though, slowing the spread is all we can do. Zugzwang fucked around with this message at 04:52 on Apr 6, 2020 |
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Gologle posted:Oh my God please go back to talking about the virus If we get more stories about cats and dogs getting the virus I'd expect some towns to do stray animal culls. So I hope nobody has any outdoor cats
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Frank Sidebottom posted:Honest question. Had Trump told anyone to take chloroquine or that it is the cure? Or is it more along the lines of "it's promising, and we're going to speed up trials on it"? Not literally quoted as such, but hes come about as close as you can imagine. Its got a lot of people trying to purchase it or the old couple taking fish tank cleaner. Although an article from expressen.se in Swedish seems to say that they stopped their trial after patients got severe side effects such as seizures and vision impairment. Can't imagine why everyone isnt slamming this down, huh.
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Zugzwang posted:Sadly this is correct. Last I checked, the case fatality rate sadly doesn't seem to be well below 1% as some had hoped. There's still the question of how many asymptomatic carriers we're not accounting for, but if the true case fatality rate is 0.5% (about 5x worse than influenza) and half the US population (~330 million) gets infected (=about 165 million infections), we're looking at over 800k dead just from this. We're already past the point in some places where more people are dying of COVID-19 than all other causes combined per day. It's going to get worse before it gets better. Before any of that we need testing, and lots of it. The thing that has hamstrung the US response all along is lack of testing, lack of ability to process tests, and a resulting lack of hard data. I personally know people who have been in quarantine for weeks with presumed covid-19, but they haven't been tested. Test for infection, test for antibodies, loving test everyone everywhere all the time.
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Wish I had that for reading this thread.
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Does he own any stock in a company that makes this? Or supplies an ingredient? I'm sure people have checked, but it's 2020.
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Zugzwang posted:Sadly this is correct. Last I checked, the case fatality rate sadly doesn't seem to be well below 1% as some had hoped. There's still the question of how many asymptomatic carriers we're not accounting for, but if the true case fatality rate is 0.5% (about 5x worse than influenza) and half the US population (~330 million) gets infected (=about 165 million infections), we're looking at over 800k dead just from this.
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:This figure also doesn't count how many people who are dying in their homes silently. oh yeah I hope everybody is ready for the stories about nursing homes getting just straight up abandoned and everybody inside left to die and only discovered in like June, because that's gonna happen
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Gripweed posted:oh yeah I hope everybody is ready for the stories about nursing homes getting just straight up abandoned and everybody inside left to die and only discovered in like June, because that's gonna happen And thanks to a bunch of riders that get snuck into upcoming stimulus bills, the companies responsible for those nursing homes will very likely be immune from litigation.
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pretty good walk-through of a wet-market with a insightful comment from a dude who lives there https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whbyuy2nHBg quote:Ok, so there’s a lot that I wanted to touch on in this video that I didn’t really get the chance to. This video presents a more normalized view of neighborhood wet markets, which I think’s a solid starting point for discussion… but a lot of nuance was lost. So I’ll try my best to make it up here. it's pretty clearly not great, but, it's not the nightmare world some people like to pretend. I'd go here over factory farmed pork, frankly
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D-Pad posted:I'm not saying he is right about a million deaths, but what exactly do you think happens after that 1-2 week peak? If we relax the shelters in place we immediately start working back towards the same peak. Do you think the American public will be ok continuing as we are now for up to 18 months before we get a vaccine? It's unrealistic to think that is possible for many different reasons. My expectation is that we struggle along like this through April and into May under more or less the current restrictions. Sometime in May, or maybe even further into the summer but certainly before fall, we do begin to slowly loosen restrictions because at that point we will have developed a testing protocol that gives a better understanding of where infected populations are and allows modeling of how to resume normal life in lower risk areas, which, hopefully as we continue to limit movement there will be more and more of as the virus runs it course in more people. Separately, by that time we have a supply of medical equipment and hospital space that will allow us to manage new infections without being overwhelmed as we are now. I agree there is no way that we shelter in place until a vaccine is developed. This whole sad sorry story has been one of a lag in reaction time that has put us way behind where we should be in managing the mess. I think we are at a point now where we are not likely to undercommit resources, and once we catch up to the virus, as it were, we will be able to limp through until we have effective vaccines or antivirals. It is possible I am too optimistic, but I think the doomsday scenarios assume too much of a status quo in every respect but the virus’ spread. I suppose my scenario really hinges on wide spread testing, but by now I think it’s pretty universally accepted that that’s the key, so my expectation is that both politically and scientifically it really gets pushed hard to expand in the coming weeks.
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Frank Sidebottom posted:Honest question. Had Trump told anyone to take chloroquine or that it is the cure? Or is it more along the lines of "it's promising, and we're going to speed up trials on it"? Shut the gently caress up
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Uncle Lloyd posted:Oh come on, we're at 10k dead right now and you expect us to have a million fatalities? What do you think is going to make the US such a huge outlier that we have a months- or year-long peak of infection rates and deaths when every other country in the world has had a 1-2 week peak and then a slowing in the rate. We're already seeing that here. This is going to be a grim week or so, but then the fatality rate is going to slow as it tracks with the new infections, same as everywhere else, there is no reason to expect otherwise. This is a crisis for sure, but there is absolutely no cause to be making up disaster porn about it. Yeah I don’t understand exponential growth, either.
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