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While I'm currently suffering through the Wishmaster series and that should give is opponent an edge, I tried to burn through the Underworld movies awhile ago and just completely stalled out. They were bad. But maybe I'll pick up if I feel like it. The only other real question is whether I dislike Jason or Saw more. Or really whether my vote matters. Shrecknet posted:The Gecko Brothers barely hold on against Paranormal Activity. FDTD has 3 movies and a TV series and I've only ever seen the original; I'll need to dive back into it before Springwood comes up again, because...
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Apr 7, 2020 23:02
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STAC Goat posted:I wouldn't. Everything Dusk til Dawn after the original is REAL bad and while I'm not gonna cry for PA they were robbed as a franchise. Yeah, there's some definite "I haven't seen the whole franchise" bias to this voting because if you've watched all of FDtD and PA, there's almost no way you could say the former is better. PA's mythos is actually more interesting than you'd think even if the shtick does start to wear on you when marathoning the films. FDtD just barely squeaks one good movie out of its concept. There's also a lot of "I haven't seen this one so I'll vote for that one" because Blair Witch beating Basket Case is pretty indefensible.
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Apr 7, 2020 23:14
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Yeah, I don't necessarily think any of the PA movies surpass the first Dusk Til Dawn (although I'm not sure they don't either) but there's some quality in the sequels and while I don't really like the story they told they definitely made an effort. The DtD sequels are reeeeeeeal bad junk made on the cheap and the series is a weird mess. But its just Paranormal Activity so whatever. Plus I totally voted Blair Witch because I haven't seen Basketcase.
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Apr 7, 2020 23:21
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STAC Goat posted:Yeah, I don't necessarily think any of the PA movies surpass the first Dusk Til Dawn (although I'm not sure they don't either) but there's some quality in the sequels and while I don't really like the story they told they definitely made an effort. The DtD sequels are reeeeeeeal bad junk made on the cheap and the series is a weird mess. Yeah, I'm not losing any sleep over them since none of them were going to win this bracket regardless. I think there's about four real contenders to that. I am a little upset to see some obvious missing entrants. Like no The Howling? Slumber Party Massacre? We had Evil Bong but not The Fly?
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Apr 7, 2020 23:31
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Yeah but they have to be legitimate series. The Howling is only... ...wait, what? There's EIGHT Howling movies???
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Apr 7, 2020 23:39
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Clearly when this is all over we need a NIT tournament.
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Apr 7, 2020 23:40
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I was going to say there should be a horror tv contest too, but Tales from the Crypt would probably demolish everything else.
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Apr 7, 2020 23:42
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COOL CORN posted:There's EIGHT Howling movies??? Haha... there's some series that are absolutely baffling in their length if you don't actively watch them as they come out. 9 Children of the Corn Movies? 14 Puppet Master Movies?
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Apr 7, 2020 23:59
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Sarx posted:Yeah, there's some definite "I haven't seen the whole franchise" bias to this voting because if you've watched all of FDtD and PA, there's almost no way you could say the former is better. PA's mythos is actually more interesting than you'd think even if the shtick does start to wear on you when marathoning the films. FDtD just barely squeaks one good movie out of its concept. I mean yes, I'll freely admit to not having watched every PA movie and I'm probably never going to; I just don't care about found footage enough to watch a movie solely because it's found footage, and that was all the first PA had going for it. Adequate found footage. But that's a perfectly reasonable way to evaluate a franchise - the first movie is more important than the others, and having a strong start that trails off into garbage is way better than having a weak first movie and then recovering a little bit (especially if the recovery never actually reaches greatness). If you want to point me to one of the PA sequels you think is as good as or better than the first FDtD I'll give it a watch, but if all they can manage is "not as bad as you expect" I don't like their odds. You're 100% right about Basket Case though, I blame all the degenerate losers who voted Leprechaun over Puppet Master.
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Apr 8, 2020 00:11
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The problem is Dusk Til Dawn doesn't "trail off" to badness. Its one good film and then a steep dive into cheap, garbage no one has ever seen. Look at the way people are turning on Candyman and I don't think its nearly as steep a drop off there. Again, Paranormal Activity isn't anything special and the matchup is over and done and you can vote how you wish. And if you don't like found footage you don't like found footage. But I definitely think the PA is just a stronger franchose with a more consistent quality. Yeah, you gotta be open to the subgenre to enjoy it but that's true of any entry. But this was an argument for last week. But there's definitely a hurdle we have with these in how people judge "the original" vs "the original" or "quality" vs "quantity" or "consistency" vs "peaks." But that's the fun of it.
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Book of Shadows is gonna be the 2020's version of Halloween III or NoES 2. It's an academic paper or deep dive YouTube video away from getting there, calling it now. Pre-ordering the soundtrack on vinyl. Blair Witch will still deservedly get smashed next round but gives so much more than Paranormal Activity (and I know it's trendy to poo poo on that series but I didn't get anything out of it and Bad Ben is better anyway). e: I remember kinda liking the third From Dusk Til Dawn and the first one is loving phenomenal. The Hausu Usher fucked around with this message at 00:51 on Apr 8, 2020 |
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Apr 8, 2020 00:49
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I recently rewatched the 3rd Dusk Til Dawn and it basically takes the same script from the first film, sets it in the old west, and then has a worst cast to sell you on the amoral characters and cheaper quality to the vampires.
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Apr 8, 2020 01:07
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Man, kind of bummed about Poltergeist. I know it's two good movies vs one good movie, but one of those movies is a masterpiece. And yeah PA deserved to go on. It's good. Ya'll trying to be a bunch of cool kids. This round was a no brainer, but anyone entertaining the idea of Leprechaun needs to go back to the third act of Child's Play Part 2. V 4 might be bad but has a scare involving a Kinect and that's a good type of bad V Timeless Appeal fucked around with this message at 02:52 on Apr 8, 2020 |
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Apr 8, 2020 01:17
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Yeah I think through The Marked Ones only one PA movie is bad (PA 4). Like, right when I was getting bored of the series The Marked Ones stepped in and shook things up. I haven't seen Ghost Dimension but I'm certain it's at least ok.
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STAC Goat posted:Clearly when this is all over we need a NIT tournament. This is a good idea
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STAC Goat posted:The problem is Dusk Til Dawn doesn't "trail off" to badness. Its one good film and then a steep dive into cheap, garbage no one has ever seen. I like Dusk Til Dawn 2 well enough. It's very obvious the budget took a giant dive between films, but the director tries his best to hide that. There's some interesting cinematography, funny character bits, interesting kills. It's a huge letdown as a sequel to such an interesting and memorable film, but it's certainly nowhere near as bad as many sequels to some of the more respected franchises. Robert Patrick stars, and it features, bar none, my favorite bit of dialogue in a film. quote:[the men are watching a pornography film] Lurdiak fucked around with this message at 07:14 on Apr 8, 2020 |
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Apr 8, 2020 07:11
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I feel like sometimes one legitimately great movie is enough to justify the vote. Like I actually voted Paranormal Activity cause I think it's been underrated due to its level of fame, but there's some matchups (like say Candyman) where I feel like the strength of the original is rightfully enough to carry it. If you wanna weight the averages of the entire franchise, which I think most are doing, then alright. But sometimes there's just a great entry among garbage that deserves the recognition over a series where every entry is just fine.
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Apr 8, 2020 15:35
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TrixRabbi posted:I feel like sometimes one legitimately great movie is enough to justify the vote. Like I actually voted Paranormal Activity cause I think it's been underrated due to its level of fame, but there's some matchups (like say Candyman) where I feel like the strength of the original is rightfully enough to carry it. If you wanna weight the averages of the entire franchise, which I think most are doing, then alright. But sometimes there's just a great entry among garbage that deserves the recognition over a series where every entry is just fine. Yea each person is definitely free to use their own metrics for how to decide their votes, but for me like I said before a truly GREAT film elevates a franchise to a level where I think stuff like Leprechaun or Paranormal Activity or Underworld etc can't compete with. Even if it's just one great film. Multiple great films is where the real boys play, and I definitely think that's what it'll take to actually be the winner at the end. Candyman is a good example though, any time it goes up against one of the longer running, maybe more consistently good series it will still win out because that first film is a masterpiece.
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Apr 8, 2020 17:40
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If it was one great film vs 3 very good films it might be an argument but for the most part that hasn’t been the case.
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Apr 8, 2020 17:52
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Since its a "franchise" tournament I definitely am trying to judge based on the franchises, and not individual films. Its possible one film would just surpass an entire franchise's reason for existing but if we did it right those franchises should be gone now (or never have made the tourney in the first place 'cause that's what the NIT is for... which I volunteer to run when this is over).
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Apr 8, 2020 18:00
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STAC Goat posted:Since its a "franchise" tournament I definitely am trying to judge based on the franchises, and not individual films. Its possible one film would just surpass an entire franchise's reason for existing but if we did it right those franchises should be gone now (or never have made the tourney in the first place 'cause that's what the NIT is for... which I volunteer to run when this is over). I look at it as like a cumulative score where a perfect masterpiece level film is worth several times as many "points" as lesser films. So I'm looking at both the overall franchise, but with a weighted system where the great films can tip the scales all on their own.
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Apr 8, 2020 18:09
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I respect that. I'm looking at less as a cumulative score and more of a numbers game. If you gave me 2-4 good films than I probably value that over 1 great film and nothing else. But that's what makes these things fun. If we all agreed there'd be no point.
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Apr 8, 2020 18:12
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I vote based primarily on how many floppy little puppet monsters appear in a given franchise
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Apr 8, 2020 18:19
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I'm attempting to rewatch the F13 films since they're all on Shudder 1 through 8 and goddamn is it really hard to get through the first 2.
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Apr 8, 2020 18:52
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Hollismason posted:I'm attempting to rewatch the F13 films since they're all on Shudder 1 through 8 and goddamn is it really hard to get through the first 2. I mean the first two are essentially the same movie. They're valuable for their impact but they aren't extremely watchable from a modern mindset. I think 3 and 4 are both really good fun slashers. 5 is horrible but has some decent kills. 6 is the best movie in the entire series and is really the movie that creates the Jason that most people think of. 7 is meh. 8 is really fun. 9 embodies everything wrong with horror in that era. X is a bad movie but an absolute blast. Freddy Vs. Jason is a guilty pleasure of mine. The reboot is better than I thought it would be. It's hard to know how that all adds up because there's just so much of it though. Like is that value better than TCM which has two legit amazing entries, a bunch of okay stuff, and a couple abysmal films? I'm trying to grade the franchises overall. Good movies help. Bad movies hurt. But I also want to give the few truly truly great films in this batch a hefty weight in my scoring as well. Ultimately there's about six entries here that could arguably take it. I'm curious which one does.
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Apr 8, 2020 19:01
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Sarx posted:Haha... there's some series that are absolutely baffling in their length if you don't actively watch them as they come out. When I was compiling my what to watch list for when I did the franchises only theme, I was surprised at what was out there. I knew Witchcraft and Amityville had a shitload but there were more films made after the ones I was aware of. I understand the aim to cash grab but GOD drat some of these were stretching. And as far as the voting this round goes, all but one pairing was a no brainer for me. Child's Play vs Leprechaun was a hard one. I like that Leprechaun did try something different with the monster, I even liked Origins for that reason. But while Child's Play's evil doll basics, Brad and Fiona Dourif's charisma makes it a heavy contender. I had to vote Child's Play.
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Apr 8, 2020 19:21
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My favorite thing about horror franchises that never should have existed being run into the ground is when they just go and film 2 lovely DTV sequels at the same time because why the gently caress not?
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Apr 8, 2020 19:35
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You better not be subtweeting Childs Play there because Curse and Cult both own
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Apr 8, 2020 19:36
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Clearly the exception that proves the rule. #RotLD #Hellraiser #Prophecy #Wishmaster
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Apr 8, 2020 19:45
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RotLD is a good test of the One Great Film rule. I mean, you can make your cases for the sequels but that is a franchise that has one true all timer at the top and the heads downhill. But like, going up against Final Destination which has four really good movies in it, but none that truly compete with the original RotLD. I think it's really a case by case basis.
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Apr 8, 2020 20:00
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In the spirit of actual March Madness, a team with one great player can often drag a mediocre team into the later rounds of the tournament against teams that might be slightly more complete but do not have a stand out player. Everyone should vote on their own criteria obviously but I am also going with franchises that have one great movie if it’s opponents do not have a standout (imo).
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Apr 8, 2020 20:14
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Sarx posted:5 is horrible 
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5s definitely way underrated. It’s not one of my personal favs but it’s far from boring and has some iconic moments.
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Apr 8, 2020 21:05
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It's certainly better than 6, which sucks.
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Apr 8, 2020 22:20
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Basebf555 posted:I'm talking about greatness here though. Greatness is memorable, people recognize it and I think it holds a lot of weight when a franchise has multiple GREAT films. Not pretty good or even consistently good, but great. I easily put Halloween 3 above Child's Play 2 or Dreamwarriors. Although it's somewhat cheating imo since it has nothing to do with the rest of the series and/or Myers.
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Apr 8, 2020 22:25
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This forum will always be torn apart by F13 rankings and no one can ever agree on which ones are good and which ones are bad. For what it's worth, I'm firmly Pro Five. Seven might be my bottom ranked because even though the Jason vs. Carrie idea is fun in concept it's maybe the flattest of the series with the least personality. Still what's remarkable for a series with as many films as F13 and as simple a concept as "killer in the woods stalks teenagers" how each of those movies is memorable in its own unique way. Like the distinctions between each film are clear and outside of maybe a specific kill here or there they rarely blur together.
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Apr 8, 2020 23:23
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This has been the easiest round - just vote the first entry, you know that you're getting the best option each time.
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Apr 9, 2020 00:43
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Part 6 is where all the mythos of Jason comes from where we get zombie Jason, death by drowning. 6 also has a cool self-referential theme throughout. 6 is the best Jason really.
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Irony.or.Death posted:It's certainly better than 6, which sucks. Wait... 5 is the one at the halfway youth house wherein Jason isn't the bad guy right? And six is the one where zombie Jason returns from the dead? I'm not mixed up on these correct? And you guys like 5 better? That is crazy talk.
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