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Inexplicable Humblebrag
Sep 20, 2003

Breetai posted:

Playing the game as an ambulatory hollowed-out policeman's uniform is pretty much tone-perfect, mind.

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SkeletonHero
Sep 7, 2010

:dehumanize:
:killing:
:dehumanize:

popewiles posted:

Were you wearing the horrific necktie the whole time? It won't talk to you if you don't have it on at the trigger points.

Dammit. I was still wearing the bow tie from the previous evening's karaoke.

Natural 20
Sep 17, 2007

Wearer of Compasses. Slayer of Gods. Champion of the Colosseum. Heart of the Void.
Saviour of Hallownest.
I think my game's bugged? I've just talked to the bartender about setting up karaoke and now I'm trapped inside the hotel? I can't interact with the door to leave or the stage to sing.

I don't get what's going on.

Peanut Butler
Jul 25, 2003



itry posted:

Have you tried running it without your GPU?

just tried running it off the Intel Integrated VGA- still get the pants bug, but my mobo and CPU are pre-DX11, too, so *fart noises*

think I'm just gonna go ahead and drop $100 of the relief check on a new GPU, this isn't the only DX11 game I've been waiting to play

Natural 20 posted:

I think my game's bugged? I've just talked to the bartender about setting up karaoke and now I'm trapped inside the hotel? I can't interact with the door to leave or the stage to sing.

I don't get what's going on.

never played past the bathroom mirror part, but when I was looking for glitch fixes I saw this 'issue' and it might just be that your motorics/perception is too low for your cop to notice the door or the stage

Au Revoir Shosanna
Feb 17, 2011

i support this government and/or service

SkeletonHero posted:

Finally playing this after buying it near launch and then having my computer be inaccessible for months. I'm just kind of doing whatever, went heavy on Inland Empire and am going with the flow picking whatever options seem most entertaining/Communist/Kim-friendly. I've been doing my best to avoid looking things up but I just went through the big thing on Day 4 and it was an absolute poo poo-show. I managed to save Kim but most of the Hardie boys bought it and I never found my gun so I couldn't fight back. So I looked to see if that's how it has to happen and apparently I could have had a Molotov cocktail? I had the relevant quest and the components in my inventory but the Horrific Necktie never spoke up and let me do it. I wasn't able to visit all three locations because I was dicking around with cryptozoology and the church too much. Was that the reason? I'm not going to roll back my save obviously, but I am kind of bummed that I could have turned the tide a bit but never got the option.

Pre-post edit: Proofreading my own post and this game sounds fake.

sounds like you were rushing a bit? the game makes it sound like there's a time limit but there's really not. take all the time you want.

B-person
Oct 29, 2010
Disco Elysium catches on in China

https://www.abacusnews.com/games/disco-elysium-praised-china-despite-hiding-communist-references/article/3077548

One Chinese Steam user said the game helped him better understand his political beliefs. “I thought I was a staunch kangmi-ist,” the gamer wrote, using the game’s made-up word for communist. “Turns out I’m actually the most despicable centrist. I’m so disgusting.”

Zero VGS
Aug 16, 2002
ASK ME ABOUT HOW HUMAN LIVES THAT MADE VIDEO GAME CONTROLLERS ARE WORTH MORE
Lipstick Apathy

B-person posted:

Disco Elysium catches on in China

https://www.abacusnews.com/games/disco-elysium-praised-china-despite-hiding-communist-references/article/3077548

One Chinese Steam user said the game helped him better understand his political beliefs. “I thought I was a staunch kangmi-ist,” the gamer wrote, using the game’s made-up word for communist. “Turns out I’m actually the most despicable centrist. I’m so disgusting.”

Oh poo poo the Chinese translation is out? Is uncensored Chinese added to the main version of the game by any chance?

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

As near as I can tell the censorship is just changing the word "communism" to a made up cognate

Zero VGS
Aug 16, 2002
ASK ME ABOUT HOW HUMAN LIVES THAT MADE VIDEO GAME CONTROLLERS ARE WORTH MORE
Lipstick Apathy

StashAugustine posted:

As near as I can tell the censorship is just changing the word "communism" to a made up cognate

Oh ok that article made it sound more dire. Been trying to get my bf to play and he reads much faster in Chinese.

edit: is it in the US Steam version now though?

edit 2: says it is on the US Steam page

Zero VGS fucked around with this message at 18:35 on Apr 6, 2020

theblackw0lf
Apr 15, 2003

"...creating a vision of the sort of society you want to have in miniature"
Yes!

https://twitter.com/gamesradar/status/1247449185382694912?s=21

Peanut Butler
Jul 25, 2003



I got it working, I've been transfixed, still only on night 2

sometimes this game feels like something chris onstad would make up for roast beef or teodor to play in achewood, but it leans into that feeling unashamedly, and it works

Paracausal
Sep 5, 2011

Oh yeah, baby. Frame your suffering as a masterpiece. Only one problem - no one's watching. It's boring, buddy, boring as death.
holy poo poo
https://twitter.com/studioZAUM/status/1247812595001810944

Milkfred E. Moore
Aug 27, 2006

'It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.'

holy gently caress

Mr. Lobe
Feb 23, 2007

... Dry bones...


really sells how the Expression is an unnatural rictus

Mode 7
Jul 28, 2007

Mother of god, that is loving amazing and also utterly repulsive.

It's PERFECT. :haw:

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

When I want to relax, I read an essay by Engels. When I want something more serious, I read Corto Maltese.
Now do it for the failed version.

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk









Samovar posted:

Now do it for the failed superior version.

GlyphGryph
Jun 23, 2013

Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.
This makes me feel like I missed something important by somehow missing any sort of karaoke scene.

I really need to replay this game.

Tylana
May 5, 2011

Pillbug
When you enter the area day3 opens up, you can go down onscreen in a way that isn't super signposted. That should help.

WhatEvil
Jun 6, 2004

Can't get no luck.

Just come to this thread for the first time, right as I got to day 3... I just did the karaoke scene, failed the check, and it was loving glorious.

Oh yeah, and the moment with the realisation about the car in the ice is just pure gold. I laughed out loud.

And I just had a moment with a child's toy lamb, where she offered it to me, to hold to my face to feel how soft it was. I did, and it restored a morale point. Really touching to have a moment of humanity like that, in a non-cheesy way.

This game is so great, beautifully written, funny, profound, deep.

WhatEvil fucked around with this message at 00:58 on Apr 9, 2020

Olive Branch
May 26, 2010

There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance.

WhatEvil posted:

And I just had a moment with a child's toy lamb, where she offered it to me, to hold to my face to feel how soft it was. I did, and it restored a morale point. Really touching to have a moment of humanity like that, in a non-cheesy way.
I actually legitimately felt my throat choke up at that part. So soft.

WhatEvil
Jun 6, 2004

Can't get no luck.

Yeah same if I'm honest. Most of the world is so bleak and it's a real contrast.

On another subject, is there actually ever a reason to "discard thought" when you get a new one? I've done this a few times but then realised I could have accepted them, and just not internalised, right?

Olive Branch
May 26, 2010

There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance.

WhatEvil posted:

Yeah same if I'm honest. Most of the world is so bleak and it's a real contrast.

On another subject, is there actually ever a reason to "discard thought" when you get a new one? I've done this a few times but then realised I could have accepted them, and just not internalised, right?
It seems that, for the purposes of the game recognizing your ideology, having accepted a thought in your thought cabinet, even if you hadn't internalized it, can actually count to describe who you are. In a second run of the game I tried to act as schizophrenic as possible and run through all possible dialogue options to rack up different ideology points, but didn't internalize any of them. Other people in the game world actually called me communist, racist, fascist, etc. even though I never internalized the associated thoughts.

EDIT: At least, an example that doesn't come from "word of mouth" that, say, a character could spread the news that the cop going around is racist/ultraliberal/communist/etc. is the fascism dialogue with your stomach. I had earlier called myself a feminist to Garte, but never internalized the feminist thought. In my conversation with my stomach, I could protest that I was a feminist and the stomach's response was that I could "delete the Femonist" thought.

Olive Branch fucked around with this message at 01:16 on Apr 9, 2020

The Cheshire Cat
Jun 10, 2008

Fun Shoe

WhatEvil posted:

Yeah same if I'm honest. Most of the world is so bleak and it's a real contrast.

On another subject, is there actually ever a reason to "discard thought" when you get a new one? I've done this a few times but then realised I could have accepted them, and just not internalised, right?

Yeah, discarding the thought just means "I'm completely uninterested in this" and ends the dialogue early.

Olive Branch posted:

It seems that, for the purposes of the game recognizing your ideology, having accepted a thought in your thought cabinet, even if you hadn't internalized it, can actually count to describe who you are. In a second run of the game I tried to act as schizophrenic as possible and run through all possible dialogue options to rack up different ideology points, but didn't internalize any of them. Other people in the game world actually called me communist, racist, fascist, etc. even though I never internalized the associated thoughts.

This probably isn't because of the thoughts themselves but rather the actions that lead to the thoughts coming up. Like to trigger any of the ideological thoughts you have to say something like 7 communist things, 7 fascist things, etc. and those numbers continue to be tracked whether or not you do anything with the thought. That is probably what prompts those reactions from people.

The Cheshire Cat fucked around with this message at 01:13 on Apr 9, 2020

Olive Branch
May 26, 2010

There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance.

The Cheshire Cat posted:

This probably isn't because of the thoughts themselves but rather the actions that lead to the thoughts coming up. Like to trigger any of the ideological thoughts you have to say something like 7 communist things, 7 fascist things, etc. and those numbers continue to be tracked whether or not you do anything with the thought. That is probably what prompts those reactions from people.
Yeah, I can understand that, but I wrote an edit about an in-game thought triggering a response that wasn't really "active."

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


Samovar posted:

Now do it for the failed version.

https://twitter.com/NineOfNein/status/1247945016921804806

dead gay comedy forums
Oct 21, 2011


holy gently caress

would have switched though, deeper voice without expression "makes more sense" imho

dead gay comedy forums
Oct 21, 2011


btw

twitter of ZA/UM's art director, Alexander Rostov: https://twitter.com/rostovjanka

there you can find some incredible stuff, such as this

https://twitter.com/ryleisdead/status/1246620947991363585

edit: added the name of the glorious comrade

dead gay comedy forums fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Apr 9, 2020

Ferrosol
Nov 8, 2010

Notorious J.A.M

So I've just beaten the game and something that's occurred to me. Major spoilers and a potential conspiracy theory related to the end of the game. Towards the very end of the game Everett Claire unveils his grand master plan. He explains how he's been manipulating you, manipulating the situation and manipulating Joyce to get the outcome he wanted. It's all really well laid out and internally consistent. His plan sounds like a masterstroke and yet I don't buy it. I'd like to lay out another theory the plan works not because Everett's a political genius. Although he is very clever he's playing with the big boys and girls and just being clever isn't enough. Unless you've got an ally on the inside. An ally named Joyce. Sounds crazy I know but look at the evidence Wild Pines sent a member of it's board of directors to negotiate this strike. A hard-nosed woman who's clawed her way up to the top from war damaged and economically ravaged Revanchol. Do you really think a woman like would give up so easily? Would readily abandon the immense potential profit those docks represent? No she wouldn't. Unless she was after bigger game.

She want Evrett's little revolution to succeed. Because in her own weird way she's a Revocholian patriot. She knows the system is failing and that trying to reform it from the inside is impossible. She's almost certainly not a true believer in Communism. But she see's it as the only viable alternative to get the free and independent Revochol she wants for her daughters. Plus she pretty much acknowledges that she's dying/steadily going crazy from the Pale so she doesn't have time to wait for it. So she gets the White Pines board to appoint only the vicious most brutal mercenary's knowing that it'd be throwing a lighted match into a can of gasoline. Maybe it all ties in with how it's implied your police station is part of a resistance movement of some sort. The only question I'd have is this one giant conspiracy or several smaller ones colliding at once?


Curious about what other people think of my insane ramblings.

Olive Branch
May 26, 2010

There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance.

Your theory that Joyce is working with Evrart is an interesting one, but I don't think they are. I think Joyce gives in to Evrart because of fatigue at the system, the inevitability of the Pale swallowing the isolas, and her own anger at the ultraliberal status quo. She does want a better world for her daughters and is bitter at herself for working towards the world they currently live in following the forced assimilation of Revachol, though. I think her response of "gently caress it, let the union have the dock" is based on a presumption that the whole thing will either go tits up in some years (that hinted-at nuclear strike from Shivers is one) or that the union will do a better job than Wild Pines did in helping the people in Martinaise. Joyce "is" the board, as she reveals to Harrier, and it happened that her interests and Evrart's aligned after the truth of the investigations and the strike came to light. If Evrart was colluding with Joyce, it follows to ask how he was able to convince her in the first place. I want to say that all of these groups and ideologies are working separately but guiding the world in one direction... much like today the rise of global fascism and counter-pushing socialism are being pulled along by groups working independently of each other.

Lasting Damage
Feb 26, 2006

Fallen Rib

Ferrosol posted:

Curious about what other people think of my insane ramblings.

I think its a tough sell, personally. I don't think there's really evidence in the fact they picked Joyce to represent Wild Pines. As Olive Branch mentions, she will fess up to actually being one of the big shots at the company. I think its bullshit when she claims to not wanting the mercenaries at Martinaise. I suspect she decided to bring them all along, and just regretted it when she realized she had no control over them when their leader got killed. Then there's the fact they both seem to feel genuine hatred for one another, something your skills don't contradict or suggest is otherwise. In fact, I think if you can get Evrart worked up about Joyce one of your skills pops in to tell you this is the most sincere he's ever seemed to you. Could be misremembering this though.

I think its much more likely that the plain text is true enough, though I believe she was feeling guilty about being a dastardly ultra-lib that sold out Revachol to the occupation. Not saying that didn't factor into her motivations. I think the rest of your speculation about Joyce's motivations is a fair read.

Really, I'm surprised people don't wonder more about that Esprit de Corps check at the very end that reveals Pryce is making a list of trustworthy people. I think its more likely the RCM is in on something with Evrart.

NotNut
Feb 4, 2020
electrochemistry is a weird skill in how it ties together pleasure from drugs and sex. I'm the ultimate counter-example because I'm insanely horny and love cumming but I've never found any drug I like. even really mild stuff like caffeine doesn't sit well with me

nurmie
Dec 8, 2019

NotNut posted:

electrochemistry is a weird skill in how it ties together pleasure from drugs and sex. I'm the ultimate counter-example because I'm insanely horny and love cumming but I've never found any drug I like. even really mild stuff like caffeine doesn't sit well with me

I think the effects of Electrochemistry would be different to every person. It's more of a "let your desire for the basest pleasures take the wheel yeeee" rather than any specific thing. It's just Harry's desires literally every basest pleasure that is known to exist.

Turpitude II
Nov 10, 2014
electrochemistry is the pleasure centre. it does react to other things that cause good feelings, it's just that the character you play doesn't seem to have many other avenues of getting the enjoyable bodily chemicals besides drugs and horniness. to my recollection, i've only seen one time it's from something else.



edit: two times.

Turpitude II fucked around with this message at 11:50 on Apr 15, 2020

Tylana
May 5, 2011

Pillbug
Also, these are the main characters skills. Not everyone's. Not everyone has a P.E. teacher tied up with their physical prowess, a sexist/facist lower intenstine, etcetc.

Peanut Butler
Jul 25, 2003



Tylana posted:

Also, these are the main characters skills. Not everyone's. Not everyone has a P.E. teacher tied up with their physical prowess, a sexist/facist lower intenstine, etcetc.

I like the idea of the skills being the same, but with different characterization

Also one thing that intrigued me is that Ruby was hinted at as operating in the world the same way that Harry does- one of the truckers, I think, said she complained of dealing with bickering voices in her head

does this get brought up? In my playthrough she used her bullet, so there wasn't time for much of a conversation about that

Olive Branch
May 26, 2010

There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance.

Tylana posted:

Also, these are the main characters skills. Not everyone's. Not everyone has a P.E. teacher tied up with their physical prowess, a sexist/facist lower intenstine, etcetc.
I don't know about you, but MY Electrochemistry is all about the videogames.

wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

Royalty is a continuous cutting motion


Peanut Butler posted:

I like the idea of the skills being the same, but with different characterization

Also one thing that intrigued me is that Ruby was hinted at as operating in the world the same way that Harry does- one of the truckers, I think, said she complained of dealing with bickering voices in her head

does this get brought up? In my playthrough she used her bullet, so there wasn't time for much of a conversation about that

I want the sequel to Klaasje dealing with the voices in her head. Think of how high her electrochemistry must be!

And I want to do that interview again, but this time from the other side.

The Cheshire Cat
Jun 10, 2008

Fun Shoe

Peanut Butler posted:

I like the idea of the skills being the same, but with different characterization

Also one thing that intrigued me is that Ruby was hinted at as operating in the world the same way that Harry does- one of the truckers, I think, said she complained of dealing with bickering voices in her head

does this get brought up? In my playthrough she used her bullet, so there wasn't time for much of a conversation about that

There are a few throwaway lines that do indicate that on some level, everyone is dealing with their own version of "skills", it's just that Harry is dealing with it extra hard right now. Like a very early line in the game is when you ask Kim about whether he also has conversations with himself and he says he doesn't and then writes something in his notebook, and one of your skills chimes in saying "that is where he has his conversations".

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Peanut Butler
Jul 25, 2003



The Cheshire Cat posted:

There are a few throwaway lines that do indicate that on some level, everyone is dealing with their own version of "skills", it's just that Harry is dealing with it extra hard right now. Like a very early line in the game is when you ask Kim about whether he also has conversations with himself and he says he doesn't and then writes something in his notebook, and one of your skills chimes in saying "that is where he has his conversations".

yeah i got that skill check chime in, too! I took it to mean that Harry's thoughts and decisions are literally guided by the skill system, in the programming of Revachol's reality, and who he even is varies based on who is playing- while Kim's are guided by a script that was already determined

it means other things, too, I just thought this connection was neat

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