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MonsieurChoc posted:I have it on good authority that Nero was an anime woman with big tits. hell, same
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twoday posted:lots of other cool poo poo in that thread, someone bring it back to life by posting in it antonine plague. go!
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Real hurthling! posted:antonine plague. go! i'm working on a thing about the great plague of london already but I will post it here when I'm done, maybe I can throw that in there too
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Real hurthling! posted:antonine plague. go! the roni but more so
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twoday posted:the great plague of london that’s still going, the English still live there
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ok i cant wait. so the antonine plague was ignored by gibbon as a cause of the dissolution of the west but modern scholarship is pretty well decided that coping with the aftermath set rome up for trouble in the next 2 centuries the deaths in the military forced the recruitment of peasants and local officials into the army that crippled food production and local services and resources. the plagues' impacts elsewhere help precipitate the barbarian invasions of the ensuing period. essentially romes food economy and local defense and infrastructure were sacrificed to maintain the army - the guarantor of roman imperial control over the valuable east, facilitator of global trade goods into the west, and lifeline for the city's foreign food supply. what this means is that rome doubled down on the very institutions that brought more and more pandemics upon them while making life in provincial villages unsustainable due to food insecurity, high prices, and barbarian incursion going forward. the pressures of the antonine plague may have helped make this impoverished and troubled west later seem unattractive and unruly enough to diocletian that he split the empire and just kept the economically viable part for himself and all the fallout for the west that developed from that in ensuing centuries
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Flavius Aetass posted:Is this the Bernie thread now
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WoodrowSkillson posted:yeah good point, i probably minimized their perspective a bit too much, though it certainly seems his popularity waned over his reign. early on he was massively popular, but by the end he is dying alone, and there was no mass rage over his death like Caesar's. worth remembering all the people who killed Nero were executed as traitors edit: no wait actually I'm thinking of Caligula? I can't keep Roman usurpations straight Squalid has issued a correction as of 05:16 on Apr 10, 2020 |
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Flavius Aetass posted:Is this the Bernie thread now drat
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Flavius Aetass posted:Is this the Bernie thread now too soon
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Squalid posted:worth remembering all the people who killed Nero were executed as traitors Nero killed himself and Caligula was killed by praetorian guard which was pretty much untouchable.
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Alhazred posted:Nero killed himself and Caligula was killed by praetorian guard which was pretty much untouchable. the praetorian weren't THAT untouchable. What I was specifically thinking of was how Claudius, as a precondition before he accepted the position of Emperor, demanded the right to punish the conspirators who had killed Caligula. The Senate agreed, and Cassius Chaerea, the Praetorian who had stabbed Caligula to death, was executed. Most of the conspirators probably got away in the end but it was a pretty clear statement. The Praetorians were pretty good at killing emperors, but not so good at anointing new ones and getting away with their lives. The Roman frontier armies always had the final say in who got to wear the purple.
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yo why noboiidy talking about china give us some sotrys about the mandate of heaven being lost
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Flavius Aetass posted:Is this the Bernie thread now lmao
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has beer always been widely consumed? in historical dramas set in the early modern era, or basically any time prior to the 60s people are always drinking liquor, so when did beer become the standard drink of choice? also what about specifically in america?
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really since before history began. the egyptians who built the great pyramid of giza are recorded as receiving beer rations, and there's at least one illustration of people being carried home drunk. beer appears basically simultaneously with agriculture and immediately becomes a cultural staple. in the americas i think they made beer from maize but for whatever reason its use wasn't as widespread as in the old world.
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cargo cult posted:has beer always been widely consumed? in historical dramas set in the early modern era, or basically any time prior to the 60s people are always drinking liquor, so when did beer become the standard drink of choice? also what about specifically in america? https://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/surveillance102/tab1_13.htm According to the NIAAA Americans vastly consumed hard liquor at a much higher volume than beer until about the end of the 19th century.
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Prior to complete prohibition being passed (& then repealed), a lot of states and counties passed their own prohibition laws. To the point that well over half of Americans were already living 'under prohibition' by 1918. And many of those laws only outlawed distilled liquor, not beer & wine. So between the start of the temperance movement and the 1920s there was a gradual move away from liquor and towards beer in America.
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yeah isnt the oldest recorded writing a recipe for beer?
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twoday posted:Siege Weapons invented by Archimedes of Syracuse: this owns so goddamn much. I heard about the heat ray but not the claw. both are so ridiculous that if they showed up in a movie about the Second Punic War it would likely come off as fantastical or fictional
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TheHoosier posted:this owns so goddamn much. I heard about the heat ray but not the claw. both are so ridiculous that if they showed up in a movie about the Second Punic War it would likely come off as fantastical or fictional it's like the unit in rome total war that's made up of guys flinging heads soaked in lye
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beer in mesopotamia was unfiltered so people drank it with metal straws that were designed like a test tube with a bunch of holes poked in the bottom to prevent sucking up a big nasty solid something. syracuse was a powerful city in part due to its two natural harbors. the claw was like a ship crane that allowed them to move boats quickly, important in an era without water proofing when ships needed to be hauled out of the water routinely to dry out or they would lose bouyancy
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Ghostlight posted:really since before history began. the egyptians who built the great pyramid of giza are recorded as receiving beer rations, and there's at least one illustration of people being carried home drunk. beer appears basically simultaneously with agriculture and immediately becomes a cultural staple. Why would you mention an ancient illustration of a drunken egyptian being carried home but not link to it? Where are your manners? 
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Beer and other alcohol is basically as old as if not older than agriculture. Alcohol was essential before refrigeration and modern decontamination. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fN5109BfLs
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greeks and romans used wine to make water more drinkable and looked down on people that drank wine unmixed/pure (vinum merum in latin)
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Ghostlight posted:really since before history began. the egyptians who built the great pyramid of giza are recorded as receiving beer rations, and there's at least one illustration of people being carried home drunk. beer appears basically simultaneously with agriculture and immediately becomes a cultural staple. According to egyptian religion you had to get really shitfaced at least once a year so that the destructive goddess Sekhmet would turn back into Hathor. The egyptians essentially drank beer because they thought it would save the world from being destroyed.
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Alhazred posted:According to egyptian religion you had to get really shitfaced at least once a year so that the destructive goddess Sekhmet would turn back into Hathor. The egyptians essentially drank beer because they thought it would save the world from being destroyed. That sounds like the Aztec religion but 1000% more chill
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Alhazred posted:According to egyptian religion you had to get really shitfaced at least once a year so that the destructive goddess Sekhmet would turn back into Hathor. The egyptians essentially drank beer because they thought it would save the world from being destroyed. There is no way this religion was real otherwize it would have supplanted every other religion in tbe world. Cmon,who is not going to convert to this? Hell i dont even drink and I want to sign up!
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Dalael posted:There is no way this religion was real otherwize it would have supplanted every other religion in tbe world. Cmon,who is not going to convert to this? Hell i dont even drink and I want to sign up! I mean the catholics give out free wine with every mass so it lives on in small ways
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Has anyone started listening to this podcast? I'm about to get up-to-date on the Russian Revolution part of Revolutions and am considering this next cuz I find this period to be real interesting https://hellenisticagepodcast.wordpress.com/episode-notes/
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Dalael posted:Why would you mention an ancient illustration of a drunken egyptian being carried home but not link to it? Where are your manners?  bonus material from the same page (The Ancient Egyptians Their Life and Customs, Sir J Gardner Wilkinson)  Dalael posted:There is no way this religion was real otherwize it would have supplanted every other religion in tbe world. Cmon,who is not going to convert to this? Hell i dont even drink and I want to sign up!
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Ornamental Dingbat posted:Beer and other alcohol is basically as old as if not older than agriculture. Alcohol was essential before refrigeration and modern decontamination. You can pretty much tell Ancient people either drank beer, milk, or 'tea' (boiled water with plant flavor). Like east asians have a higher rate of alcohol and lactose intolerance because boiled water w/ plant flavor was their potable water source for 10,000 years ( I say based on no research and just arrogantly thinking I must have figured it out)
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