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SocketWrench posted:The problem is that with Biden voters and Bernie voters both voting for their candidate, the dems will split the vote and lose to Trump again. This year's election sucks because you can vote by morals and we get another four years of the Orange rear end in a top hat show, or hold your nose and vote Biden and while things won't be totally better, we'll at least see the end to the current poo poo show and some sanity take over Oh boy, I love sanity E: dammit, snipe
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SocketWrench posted:The problem is that with Biden voters and Bernie voters both voting for their candidate, the dems will split the vote and lose to Trump again. This year's election sucks because you can vote by morals and we get another four years of the Orange rear end in a top hat show, or hold your nose and vote Biden and while things won't be totally better, we'll at least see the end to the current poo poo show and some sanity take over Sanity isn’t what it used to be.
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Biden's the DNC candidate, duck tales was renewed for a 6th season and Donald Trump is President, Folks we live in a strange world.
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Scrooge McDuck 2020: Is Not A Rapist.
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ColonelMuttonchops posted:Scrooge McDuck 2020: Is Not A Rapist. Unelectable, we need a few skeletons in their closet so they will do the DNC's bidding!! Haha we're not PRo_BUSINESS or anything
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ColonelMuttonchops posted:Scrooge McDuck 2020: Is Not A Rapist.
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I have a hard time imagining whether Scrooge or Glomgold is Trump. I feel like Biden has big Launchpad energy, except nobody else ever survives his landings.
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USA has officially passed Spain and they're closing in on Italy numbers fast.
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Arcsquad12 posted:USA has officially passed Spain and they're closing in on Italy numbers fast. well don't worry, once we're unable to test anybody at all that curve will flatten so hard  Yes because I wasn't an idiot who thought he'd magically become less of a piece of poo poo. EDIT: not directed at you Arglebargle, just pissed off at how people rationalized themselves into thinking "maybe he won't be that bad"
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US Politics really is asymmetric warfare. GOP voters literally want Democratic voters to die in the street and D voters want the president to be a nice man so they can go back to not thinking about politics anymore.
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:I have a hard time imagining whether Scrooge or Glomgold is Trump. I feel like Biden has big Launchpad energy, except nobody else ever survives his landings. In the new show, Glomgold is explicitly a Trump analog, having made his billions in the 80s by putting his name and face on loving everything and raking in the licensing dollars. And also by being a dumb rear end in a top hat who’s a danger to society.
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mcmagic posted:US Politics really is asymmetric warfare. GOP voters literally want Democratic voters to die in the street and D voters want the president to be a nice man so they can go back to not thinking about politics anymore. It's an unfortunate truth that Republicans have always been better at selling identity than Democrats have been at selling policy. You don't have to put in effort to convince people to be irrationally proud of what they already are.
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John Mccain was obviously Launchpad.CuddleCryptid posted:It's an unfortunate truth that Republicans have always been better at selling identity than Democrats have been at selling policy. You don't have to put in effort to convince people to be irrationally proud of what they already are. Doesn't help that at this point the Democrats aren't interested in selling policy either.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:John Mccain was obviously Launchpad. Kellyanne! Help me onto his casket so I can dance on it!
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https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1248094083492560898?s=20 I wonder how Donny is going to force people back to work? Should be a very creative May.
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Nonsense posted:https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1248094083492560898?s=20 Whine on Twitter until some republican governor's lift their stay-at-home orders and beg businesses to reopen. He won't do a very good job of it, but he will get some people back to work so they can get sick and die.
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mcmagic posted:US Politics really is asymmetric warfare. GOP voters literally want Democratic voters to die in the street and D voters want the president to be a nice man so they can go back to not thinking about politics anymore. no, they want some to die at home out of sight, and they want anyone brown or queer to die in camps of malnutrition, illness, cold, or ambiguously sustained injuries.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:John Mccain was obviously Launchpad. gently caress no. Launchpad was a goofy fuckup, but he had a heart of gold.
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Nonsense posted:https://twitter.com/albertemartinez/status/1247862339426308096?s=20 Jumping over the paywall: WaPo posted:The Chinese government’s mismanagement of the covid-19 outbreak, and how the United States should respond, are caught up in the partisan politics of Washington. But around the country, Americans in both parties increasingly agree that the United States needs a tougher, more realistic China strategy that depends less on the honesty and goodwill of the Chinese government.
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Nonsense posted:https://twitter.com/albertemartinez/status/1247862339426308096?s=20 American boomers are actually all mentally challenged  Jesus christ lead paint fumes are a hell of a thing TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 06:12 on Apr 9, 2020 |
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SocketWrench posted:gently caress no. Launchpad was a goofy fuckup, but he had a heart of gold. The joke is more about crashing planes. TulliusCicero posted:American boomers are actually all mentally challenged This is really becoming the only explanation.
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TulliusCicero posted:American boomers are actually all mentally challenged It's not just boomers that are stupid in regards to China. From the Harris polls linked in the article:  
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So, your first sign that this is bullshit should be that it's Mark Penn. Your second sign that this is bullshit is that it's the corporate market research platform of theirs, not their more legitimate joint project with Harvard. The third is this shameful display of survey design. Is this an effort by Penn to prove Dems need to racism harder? of course GOV04 Should China be required to pay other countries for the spread of the virus or is that not the responsibility of China? China should be required to pay It is not China’s responsibility to pay GOV05 Should president Trump take a tougher position on China, softer position or the same position on China? Tougher position on China Softer position on China GOV09 If it turns out that China has been underreporting cases and deaths due to coronavirus, do you think...? President Trump should unilaterally impose economic sanctions Congress should vote to impose economic sanctions No action should be taken 
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the polling design equivalent of 'should your neighbor be forced to give you $500?' 'yes gently caress that guy' or 'no i'm a little bitch'
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Ghost Leviathan posted:The joke is more about crashing planes. McCain didn't crash that many Holy poo poo, watching an interview with Governor Whitmer over MI being the third highest in cases now and the stupid is drooling out over the comment section. It's amazing. Everything from her banning hydroxychloroquine to passing the blame to loving smiling.
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Paracaidas posted:So, your first sign that this is bullshit should be that it's Mark Penn. Your second sign that this is bullshit is that it's the corporate market research platform of theirs, not their more legitimate joint project with Harvard. The third is this shameful display of survey design. Is this an effort by Penn to prove Dems need to racism harder? of course What exactly is so bad about this language? The use of "tougher" and "softer" to make it seem like those who support a "softer" position are weak? I'm not doubting your argument as I much as I'm not recognizing the problem and want to be able to identify similarly crappy polling in the future. As stupid as my question sounds, let's not forget they managed to fool quite a few people here so I'm not the only fool. America Inc. fucked around with this message at 06:51 on Apr 9, 2020 |
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Just an amateur, so not sure if I'm right, but it's definitely pushing the answer they want even if it's not the worst in the world. Should China be required to pay other countries for the spread of the virus - This plants the idea and implies that they spread it. Or is that not the responsibility of China - It implies that the default position is that they're responsible and that they should be "responsible" and own up to it. You generally want to use more neutral language, I think. Using "softer" seems odd. Most people don't want to be "soft" and it doesn't mean much. I'm not even sure that I'd say he should be "softer." It could have just asked if Trump was doing enough, not enough or just the right amount. Or just approve or disapprove. The third question also pushes the idea that "someone" should impose sanctions and that you're being contrarian if you don't want to. It's crazy easy to fudge numbers with word choice in surveys and polls. This also reminds me of the most awful political survey I ever took on MTurk. It was during Kavanaugh's hearing, and after a few start-up questions, it was basically all about whether I thought blue balls existed and whether that could be a mitigating factor in harassment/assault, with what seemed like a couple push questions designed to make you sympathetic to harassers.
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iunno about poll results or anything but there's 100% gonna be 'muslims after 9/11' levels of racism against asians once people are out of their houses again
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WOWEE ZOWEE posted:What exactly is so bad about this language? The use of "tougher" and "softer" to make it seem like those who support a "softer" position are weak? Yeah, so, polling is an art and a science and it turns out that it's really incredibly easy to manipulate the results of your poll to try to manufacture a false consensus. This can be done by limiting your respondent pool, by purposeful selection of language in your questions, and even by the way you present the data afterward. When it comes to word choice in polling, any kind of nuance, explanatory language, or use of adjectives can be used to nudge people towards certain selections. This is why better polls tend to use numbered rankings or 'yes/no' questions, because otherwise you are absolutely going to bias the responses you receive. In the responses listed above, for instance, a false dichotomy is being established in each; either China must pay, or, China is not responsible. Most people believe that China mismanaged their response to at least some effect, so they will tend to err in favor of payment, as it's the option that asserts some kind of responsibility. The next question assumes the response must be tougher or softer; besides the loaded language Americans have been taught to respond to since the 80's with 'tough on crime' laws, this assumes that the current response MUST be inappropriate. If the response is inappropriate, and you believe China did something wrong somewhere, then respondents will tend to err on 'tougher'. The third question is similarly loaded, and similarly proposes a false, uh, trichotomy. E: My poll construction skills are wildly out of date and based on minoring in psychology, so uh, grain of salt and all that
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Shady Amish Terror posted:Yeah, so, polling is an art and a science and it turns out that it's really incredibly easy to manipulate the results of your poll to try to manufacture a false consensus. This can be done by limiting your respondent pool, by purposeful selection of language in your questions, and even by the way you present the data afterward. Your points on the 1st and 3rd questions are good, especially the weaselly language with responsibility in the 1st question. It should be noted however that the 2nd question provides a "same" option which Paracaidas did not include (unless somehow we were looking at different questions): GOV05 Should president Trump take a tougher position on China, softer position or the same position on China?  Besides that I agree.
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It was hard to keep track in all the primarychat happening in here, but did y'all discuss the CDC advising essential workers who have been "exposed to" Covid-19 to go back to work if they are asymptomatic? Which was announced the same day it came out the feds are cutting off funds for testing? My head is spinning, isn't this why we are all in stay-at-home orders under the assumption we are positive and asymptomatic? And what the gently caress is up with the blip in here about Kansas lifting the large gatherings restriction. Does it go back in place next week, or are they just trying to gently caress everyone over for Easter?
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drat trump might win just by campaigning against China
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Uncle Wemus posted:drat trump might win just by campaigning against China Nah, he needs more than that. To get the GOP crowd out you have to stoke the fear fire, and constantly bitching about China and doing nothing won't be enough. He's already got the anti-China racism in the bag anyways despite the fact that that block are the ones being moved into fridge boxes under overpasses because their farms went bust
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https://twitter.com/chrisbergPOVNOW/status/1247680994821509121?s=20 Trump is going to go after states accusing them of inflating their numbers soon because the only people he listens to are chuds and their conspiracies.
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