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skeleton warrior posted:Because you didn’t take the simplest action possible - marking a ballot — to stop the greatest evil from winning. BigBallChunkyTime posted:Not choosing anything signals you're ok with the greater evil winning and won't even attempt to stop it. So my vote is held hostage. Cool. Cool, cool, cool. Neither of you addressed "how do we stop dems from running poo poo candidates." Didn't address that at all. Just "welp that's the choice the DNC chose (while they actively limited Bernie's chance of success and also literally said that even if voters chose Bernie that DNC would choose Biden anyways--which they did last election with Hillary) so that's what we gotta do." Also you didn't answer how not voting signals that I'm am pro-greater evil. People on here literally saying "vote for an evil candidate." At least I'm not actively wanting to vote for evil. Holy poo poo. There's no way around this. You're literally saying "vote evil." "Biden 2020. Vote for this evil candidate or you're a bad person. We didn't give you any choice, so just vote evil." edit: tax 
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mcmagic posted:Or they have the information and are just voting on different reasons. Like their white identity. Or that they are stressed out about Trump and just want to forget about politics. Or they like Obama and like nice uncle Joe who stood next to Obama, who they like. It's definitely a lot of the first. It's anecdotal, I know, but lots of people in my family identify as Democrat and vote Democrat, but they are basically one or two issue voters. They vote Democrat because Dem's are the party that supports more open immigration, for example, but if it came down to picking which Democrat they want to support in a primary they would just vote on their gut. So you end up with people voting against their own self-interests by picking the Dem who least represents their views because they only do the bare minimum in vetting the candidates. But they will definitely be able to identify Bernie as being that Socialist.
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Apr 9, 2020 15:49
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The Sean posted:So my vote is held hostage. Cool. Cool, cool, cool.
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Apr 9, 2020 15:49
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The Sean posted:So my vote is held hostage. Cool. Cool, cool, cool. I actually edited my post to answer your question, but you didn't even bother to respond to it, or my question to YOU earlier.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Ah, I see the date. Though I'll mention that Michigan's primary was on March 10th, a week before, you're thinking Arizona? Oh, right, sorry. That was sloppy of me not to have checked
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Has anyone brought up how Trump is looking to Art Laffer for direction on how to stimulate the economy or are we gonna continue this endless argument?
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hanales posted:This is the liberal equivalent of “you made me vote for trump by being mean”. It’s fragile and low-info by design. No one who watched and listened to bernie would think he was a demagogue. That’s the msnbc framing of the Chris Matthews types, and was a media strategy to minimize bernie and his diverse coalition. But keep telling yourself the Internet was mean to you while Biden collapses under rape and nepotism allegations for the next 6 months. I agree if you listen to Bernie you don't think that, which is why I said I voted for him. But that's not the MSNBC framing of Bernie, it's the D&D>Dem Presidential Primary framing of the issue, because his most vocal supporters see it as a good thing. And yeah, that's my point, people like that drive the low-info voters who are the 70% for MFA but vote Biden away from Bernie. People can make all the excuses in the world about how "no one votes based on who's mean on twitter" or "this is a dead internet comedy forum" but how did that all work out? People vote based on the narrative in their head.
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OhDearGodNo posted:Bullshit. less with the talky talky, more with the crackly crackly. your master has commanded you burn for him, and the flame is ebbing lower. why do you deny Huitzilopochtli-Called-Corona the sweet taste of your flesh? the priests say that your sacrifice will hold back the dreaded Sanders, and afterwards the desert will bloom. is that not enough reward to die for? or are the sacrifices for the little people. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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The Sean posted:So my vote is held hostage. Cool. Cool, cool, cool. Bernie got less votes. Holy poo poo. That’s the whole thing. I voted for Bernie, and he didn’t win. But I don’t devalue other people’s votes, I don’t look for every reason under the sun other than the fact that people did not go out and vote for Bernie and their reasons why are their own. People making assumptions as to why- saying they are ignorant, brainwashed, stupid, whatever- doing that devalues their views and them as a person.
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:less with the talky talky, more with the crackly crackly. Huh? What are you even talking about?
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OhDearGodNo posted:Biden doesn’t control elections. no, that's not quite right, the state parties were supposed to have a state convention by june 20th, so they could select their national delegates for the convention, which would have started july 13th meanwhile since then, sinc the models have gotten worse the national convention has been pushed back, but I dont think the rules committee has officially moved the stage party deadline and calendar back, though that's probably a perfunctory change at this point
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I've seen a bit here about how the DNC should force Biden to not be the candidate, isn't that amazingly undemocratic? Like if Bernie won and the DNC forced him to step down (even if they could) you'd be rioting in the streets.
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OJ MIST 2 THE DICK posted:no, that's not quite right, the state parties were supposed to have a state convention by june 20th, so they could select their national delegates for the convention, which would have started july 13th That makes sense, thank you. I did try to see if there was anything pushed out about delays but couldn’t find anything on a quick search.
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Jarmak posted:I agree if you listen to Bernie you don't think that, which is why I said I voted for him. But that's not the MSNBC framing of Bernie, it's the D&D>Dem Presidential Primary framing of the issue, because his most vocal supporters see it as a good thing. Eh, it's clear that Democratic voters opinions of Bernie are not based on Bernie Bros, since otherwise his personal approval would be ultra-negative rather than ultra-positive. Many people who are for MFA voted for Biden because it was not their most important issue, and because they considered Bernie unelectable.
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'Bernie's voters didn't show up!' is a dying refrain of primaries that have seen absurd amounts of media bias, obvious election rigging that would have authorities screaming fraud if it happened in Latin America, blatant voter suppression and that the numbers say Bernie's voters DID show up, but were outnumbered- barely- by boomers encouraged to go to the polls despite the virus. You can't shame people into supporting your candidate. It's never worked.
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You want less poo poo candidates, push local elections, campaign finance reform and ban/heavily limit lobbying. Make it so that people have to really WANT to serve instead of making serving the easy choice. SpeakSlow fucked around with this message at 16:01 on Apr 9, 2020 |
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Apr 9, 2020 15:57
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Willo567 posted:I actually edited my post to answer your question, but you didn't even bother to respond to it, or my question to YOU earlier. Well, what you just quoted wasn't even directed at you so I don't know why you were responding there. Anyways, I don't magically know when to look back at a post after it is edited, I hope you understand. Here is your edit: Willo567 posted:The only way to signal to them that you don't want a lovely candidate is to encourage others to vote for a better candidate. Unfortunately, not enough people did that for Sanders, and now he's out of the race. The DNC limited Bernie's success. They actively worked against his campaign. DNC leadership said that even if Bernie won they'd choose someone else; "the voters don't get to decide." They also are limiting funding for dem candidates running against incumbents. As for Sanders, he broke records for most individual donors. OhDearGodNo posted:Bernie got less votes. Holy poo poo. That’s the whole thing. Another reply that doesn't address anything in the post I was quoted in.
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OddObserver posted:Eh, it's clear that Democratic voters opinions of Bernie are not based on Bernie Bros, since otherwise his personal approval would be ultra-negative rather than ultra-positive. Okay now follow that train all the way to the station: why do they think Bernie is unelectable? Maybe because he's being perceived as a socialist demagogue? Ghost Leviathan posted:'Bernie's voters didn't show up!' is a dying refrain of primaries that have seen absurd amounts of media bias, obvious election rigging that would have authorities screaming fraud if it happened in Latin America, blatant voter suppression and that the numbers say Bernie's voters DID show up, but were outnumbered- barely- by boomers encouraged to go to the polls despite the virus. Tell us about voter fraud in California next
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I’m sick of this slap fight. Welcome to 2020, there are no good choices.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Has anyone brought up how Trump is looking to Art Laffer for direction on how to stimulate the economy or are we gonna continue this endless argument? You mean this guy? https://www.foxnews.com/media/art-laffer-joe-biden-bernie-sanders-warren
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The Sean posted:So my vote is held hostage. Cool. Cool, cool, cool. Actually I did explain that. Choosing to be apathetic when you have a choice is literally signaling that you don't care what happens. You staying home in protest isn't somehow going to make a magical perfect democratic candidate appear out of thin air and win. There isn't always a good choice and a bad choice. Sometimes there's bad and worse. That's how life works. Look, I agree that the shittiest candidate won the nomination. But are you saying you don't believe there's any aspect of life anywhere for anyone that would get better under Biden? Look at how Trump has acted the last four years. And that's WITH him knowing he'd face re election. Imagine how unhinged he'll be with literally no consequences. You don't want to try to prevent that?
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Ghost Leviathan posted:'Bernie's voters didn't show up!' is a dying refrain of primaries that have seen absurd amounts of media bias, obvious election rigging that would have authorities screaming fraud if it happened in Latin America, blatant voter suppression and that the numbers say Bernie's voters DID show up, but were outnumbered- barely- by boomers encouraged to go to the polls despite the virus. I voted for Bernie. Not enough people voted for Bernie. That’s it. And since Bernie lost so many are lashing out at other Dems.. yeah that’ll accomplish so much.
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:Actually I did explain that. Choosing to be apathetic when you have a choice is literally signaling that you don't care what happens. Trump is just a continuation of the policies Joe Biden has fought for his entire career. The difference between the two? Trump doesn't use a dog whistle.
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socialsecurity posted:I've seen a bit here about how the DNC should force Biden to not be the candidate, isn't that amazingly undemocratic? Like if Bernie won and the DNC forced him to step down (even if they could) you'd be rioting in the streets. Not sure why the DNC would commit seppuku in that manner when they can safely grift off of another four years of Trump behind a shield of performative clapping and speech tearing. If they cared about the suffering of their purported base under Trump they'd be riding M4A to an effortless victory, but lmao on that one.
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FallenGod posted:Not sure why the DNC would commit seppuku in that manner when they can safely grift off of another four years of Trump behind a shield of performative clapping and speech tearing. Their base could have voted for the M4A candidate
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If you don't live in Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Florida or North Carolina, nobody should give a hot poo poo who you vote for for president.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/RawStory/status/1247989878211719173quote:Easter looming, Kansas Republican leaders on Wednesday revoked Democratic Gov. Laura Kelly’s order limiting religious gatherings to 10 people as the state’s coronavirus death toll jumped 40 percent. House and Senate leaders — meeting as a body called the Legislative Coordinating Council — voted along party lines to throw out the directive. Their decision came as the number of reported COVID-19 cases in the state climbed to more than 1,000 and the death count ticked up to 38.
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:Look at how Trump has acted the last four years. And that's WITH him knowing he'd face re election. Imagine how unhinged he'll be with literally no consequences. You don't want to try to prevent that? Not really, no. And I have the world's largest jerkoff motion for anyone who says that it's the voters fault for not wanting a candidate. That is straight-up incel talk. The right wing on the Democratic Party are basically incels at this point, complete with the threat of some other jerk will mistreat you if you don't want me.
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After skimming this thread for the last few days I'm impressed with the quantity of "Joe Biden is a rapist, but" posts. It has been rather revealing.
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Fart Amplifier posted:Their base could have voted for the M4A candidate If the polls were accurate, they thought they were. Equal parts hilarious and horrifying.
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Manager Hoyden posted:Not really, no. And I have the world's largest jerkoff motion for anyone who says that it's the voters fault for not wanting a candidate. The funny thing is that joke was already made about Warren supporters going 'She's electable if you vote for her!' But it's even more fitting, given the open hatred for Bernie voters. Besides, wasn't a conservative Democrat supposed to attract suburban Republicans? Why aren't you reaching out to NeverTrumpers?
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Mr Hootington posted:Trump is just a continuation of the policies Joe Biden has fought for his entire career. The difference between the two? Trump doesn't use a dog whistle. One only needs to look at the Obama-era policies that have been rolled back under Trump to see what absolute horseshit this statement is.
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The Sean posted:Well, what you just quoted wasn't even directed at you so I don't know why you were responding there. Anyways, I don't magically know when to look back at a post after it is edited, I hope you understand. I quoted them because you never answered me, and I even told you edited my post to answer your question. Now answer me this: who are YOU voting for that won't have a chance in hell of winning?
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Willo567 posted:Now answer me this: who are YOU voting for that won't have a chance in hell of winning? Joe Biden 
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Manager Hoyden posted:Not really, no. Great, so then if Trump wins and he's even worse in his second term, at least you can keep yourself warm at night knowing that you stayed home.
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Jarmak posted:One only needs to look at the Obama-era policies that have been rolled back under Trump to see what absolute horseshit this statement is. Good thing joe biden as VP had no power. Now joe biden has senator. Whoa boy! What a record!
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Willo567 posted:I quoted them because you never answered me, and I even told you edited my post to answer your question. This is a fallacious response. I don't have to give you a response of who I am voting for. The fact that you are asking this shows that you either don't understand the conversation or you do and you're trying to dishonestly trap me in a corner. This reminds me of something I saw on twitter recently about the chlorine people have been drinking to cure/prevent coronavirus (and hurting/killing themselves in the process). Someone said, "don't drink chlorine." And someone else was like "well YOU have to tell ME what is a better solution. If you can't then chlorine is a good solution." Fallacious garbage. Uncle Wemus posted:Joe Biden This was great.
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OhDearGodNo posted:Huh? What are you even talking about? Joe Biden did not ask you to defend him by posting on the internet. He asked you to die for him.
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