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Looking at the Guardian report of the latest death reportGuardian Live Blog posted:A further 765 patients have died in hospital in England, bringing the total to 7,248 - up from 6,483 the day before. Pablo Bluth fucked around with this message at 16:52 on Apr 9, 2020 |
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Apr 9, 2020 16:49
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1248148683822071809 keep up keir bojo is actively perusing an exit strategy
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Apr 9, 2020 16:50
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Who cares about the exit? I'm not really clamouring to know when they're going to go back to doing nothing, maybe what they're going to do to help people while we all need to be at home is more pressing?
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Apr 9, 2020 16:52
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1248148683822071809 Boris' exit strategy is a clinic in Switzerland.
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Apr 9, 2020 16:58
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Pablo Bluth posted:Looking at the Guardian report of the latest death report The daily announcements are pointless for that reason, there are more breakdowns of the government data available and the ONS is tracking all covid 19 deaths rather than just the ones in hospital so the answer is yes but you need to do the work yourself. It's also not really possible to get good numbers by the day after. OwlFancier posted:Who cares about the exit? I'm not really clamouring to know when they're going to go back to doing nothing, maybe what they're going to do to help people while we all need to be at home is more pressing? These things are related, the manner and timing of how things will open up again relates to how much support people at home need.
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Apr 9, 2020 17:00
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Pablo Bluth posted:Looking at the Guardian report of the latest death report I'm not sure what you're asking for here - unless you want them to only publish the numbers after, say, 7 days waiting for the paperwork to catch up then there's always going to be a bit of a lag where late-reported deaths, or deaths where they've been unable to inform the relatives, or any of a number of other complications, end up not being reported on the correct day. Assuming there's not a complete collapse of the reporting system (which I'll admit isn't impossible) then it will tend to even itself out, because the under-reported deaths on one day end up counting in the next days numbers (or the next, or the next). FWIW the weekly ONS reports *do* wait for all the paperwork to catch up if you really insist on knowing the exact number of people who died on a selected day you can wait for them to come out.
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Apr 9, 2020 17:00
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I just don't think "when's it all going to go back to normal" is really a thing I want the opposition asking like some deranged old boomer.
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Apr 9, 2020 17:02
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For what it's worth Starmer was crap on Peston. He's obviously pushing the "we are supporting the government" stuff because the polls say it's popular, but he couldn't even bring himself to say companies shouldn't be paying dividends while also taking handouts from the government. He just looked terrified of giving a straight answer to anything.
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Apr 9, 2020 17:04
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OwlFancier posted:Who cares about the exit? I'm not really clamouring to know when they're going to go back to doing nothing, maybe what they're going to do to help people while we all need to be at home is more pressing? that's what he's talking about really - what's the plan? assuming we're not going to be on full lockdown for the next year or two, how are we moving forward? what's the situation with testing, what's our strategy for deploying it and what's the supply chain for those tests? if we're going to keep isolating, how long are we talking and what's the plan for making that workable for everyone? if we're going to relax restrictions, what measures are going to be in place to make sure we're safe, and accurately monitoring the situation, and what are we going to do if infections start to rise again? China had a plan that worked effectively, South Korea had a different plan that worked effectively. We had no plan and that's why we're in this situation, so "what is the plan" is a good question to be asking because there's still no sign that we have one
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jabby posted:For what it's worth Starmer was crap on Peston. He's obviously pushing the "we are supporting the government" stuff because the polls say it's popular, but he couldn't even bring himself to say companies shouldn't be paying dividends while also taking handouts from the government. He just looked terrified of giving a straight answer to anything. Thiiiiinnnnggggs can only get bedddaaaahhhh
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jabby posted:For what it's worth Starmer was crap on Peston. He's obviously pushing the "we are supporting the government" stuff because the polls say it's popular, but he couldn't even bring himself to say companies shouldn't be paying dividends while also taking handouts from the government. He just looked terrified of giving a straight answer to anything. God that's Ed Milliband-when-the-right-wing-controlled-him levels of bad. Starmers whole thing of really stressing being the LOYAL opposition is going to make him totally impotent.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:I'm not sure what you're asking for here - unless you want them to only publish the numbers after, say, 7 days waiting for the paperwork to catch up then there's always going to be a bit of a lag where late-reported deaths, or deaths where they've been unable to inform the relatives, or any of a number of other complications, end up not being reported on the correct day. Assuming there's not a complete collapse of the reporting system (which I'll admit isn't impossible) then it will tend to even itself out, because the under-reported deaths on one day end up counting in the next days numbers (or the next, or the next).
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jabby posted:For what it's worth Starmer was crap on Peston. He's obviously pushing the "we are supporting the government" stuff because the polls say it's popular, but he couldn't even bring himself to say companies shouldn't be paying dividends while also taking handouts from the government. He just looked terrified of giving a straight answer to anything. imagine my shock
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Pablo Bluth posted:Clearly there's not going to be completely accurate numbers immediately but compared to the reporting by different countries, the UK numbers seem to be all over the place; with constantly changing methodology and vagueness about when to to attribute the deaths. No, this is pretty much exactly the same problem as was happening with Italy. I've not really looked at how any other country is doing it but I'm willing to bet, once you look into it, they'll be struggling with exactly the same problem, because death reporting is very rarely set up to be a quick process, so the wording at least is "<x> deaths *reported* yesterday" - it's the media who insist on saying "<x> people died yesterday". The methodology changed a few times at the start because we've never really had to do this sort of thing before, but I'm not aware of any changes to how the numbers are gathered or reported for at least a week now. Of course the big missing number is deaths outside of hospital, but really it doesn't matter for the purpose that we're all really watching these numbers for, which is waiting for them to start going down and keep going down.
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https://twitter.com/ChrisMasonBBC/status/1248286403550744577 Pretty sure if the picture they were painting of BoJo's health was accurate he might have had some communication with his immediate deputy in the last four days. ThomasPaine posted:imagine my shock For what it's worth, Corbyn played the "it's my job to oppose the government, not support it" card and it went down like a loving lead balloon with the public. People expect at least to be told that politicians are pulling together in the national interest.
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And the lib dems supported the government right into their party's near complete obliteration and we got five years of tory government out of it.
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Apr 9, 2020 17:39
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Propose the thread title become "Weekend at Bojo's"
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My point isn't about accurately reporting the number of in the last 24 hours. I have zero issue with the data not being magically complete immediately. It's about them providing detailed breakdown of the numbers for us to understand what's happening in the country. The ONS date is in the right direction except they're only breaking down weekly not daily. Edit: This seems to be the data presented as I was after. https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/ I'ts only hospital deaths and England but it daily numbers continually revised as the data comes in. Pablo Bluth fucked around with this message at 17:58 on Apr 9, 2020 |
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jabby posted:https://twitter.com/ChrisMasonBBC/status/1248286403550744577 I don't watch the briefings because I'm not a masochist - did he mean "any contact" in terms of physical contact or generally?
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OwlFancier posted:I just don't think "when's it all going to go back to normal" is really a thing I want the opposition asking like some deranged old boomer. He literally said he didn't want to know that. Said we needed to know that there was a strategy and what it was. That's definitely something I want to know. And politically it allows them to hold them government to account when they don't achieve things. But I and many other people have things painfully on hold and need to know what the gently caress is happening.
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EvilHawk posted:I don't watch the briefings because I'm not a masochist - did he mean "any contact" in terms of physical contact or generally? The balls did not touch
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EvilHawk posted:I don't watch the briefings because I'm not a masochist - did he mean "any contact" in terms of physical contact or generally? Implication was generally. NotJustANumber99 posted:He literally said he didn't want to know that. Said we needed to know that there was a strategy and what it was. That's definitely something I want to know. And politically it allows them to hold them government to account when they don't achieve things. But I and many other people have things painfully on hold and need to know what the gently caress is happening. Yeah, I think the strategy is definitely to stress that they aren't going to shout at the government for what they've already hosed up, but they are going to demand answers about why testing is still so slow and what the plan is going forwards. Which are legit questions, because all we know so far was these antibody tests and "immunity passports" were going to save the economy. Then the antibody tests failed to work and people poked so many holes in the "immunity passports" idea it resembles a colander. So what's the plan now to get us out of lockdown? Nobody knows.
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jabby posted:For what it's worth, Corbyn played the "it's my job to oppose the government, not support it" card and it went down like a loving lead balloon with the public. People expect at least to be told that politicians are pulling together in the national interest. But it's absolute nonsense, the national interest doesn't exist, only the ruling class interests which are negotiated through the state which has been the natural home of the Tory party for decades now, if not even before the collapse of the Liberals and working class interests. Pointing that out and making the argument that it's the reality of the situation and a bad thing for the working class is essential for establishing a coherent leftwing narrative for loyalty and mobilisation. Labour lost Scotland because it sacrificed any distinction from the Tories both in local policy through New Labour councils and in ideological terms by campaigning with the Tories in the independence referendum so suddenly if you're going to vote for the union then of course you're going to vote Tory. That's an idea to be smashed, it can't be hidden from. Gonzo McFee posted:They'd have shared a picture of him if he was in any shape to have one taken. It's funny because my first instinct was 'No, there's privacy implications for taking photos in health settings like an ICU.' but lol as if they'd actually care about that for a publicity shot. namesake fucked around with this message at 17:54 on Apr 9, 2020 |
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jabby posted:https://twitter.com/ChrisMasonBBC/status/1248286403550744577 Boris is mentally capable of making decisions like "feel like poo poo, don't wanna talk to that oval office"
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jabby posted:For what it's worth, Corbyn played the "it's my job to oppose the government, not support it" card and it went down like a loving lead balloon with the public. People expect at least to be told that politicians are pulling together in the national interest. I still maintain that one of Corbyn's major problems was just being too bloody nice. He'd point out issues with the government's approach but he was always so restrained even when defending himself. Without endorsing the man, there's a reason Trump won people over, and it wasn't his clear and well thought out policy proposals. Bojo's popularity comes from a similar place, however unearned. Tepid Blair/Cameron centrism has made the entire Westminster bubble toxic to the average voter, and the people that are going to do well as liberal democracy is in crisis are those who (appear to) openly reject the status quo, regardless of their specific politics. I still think an openly hostile left candidate willing to call people out to their face would have gained far more traction than Corbyn was able to. While he was ideologically an existential threat to the establishment, his efforts to play nice - ironically enough - diluted his appeal. It's also why Starmer is going to tank hard. This isn't obviously to discount the many other factors in the 2019 defeat - Brexit chief among them. ThomasPaine fucked around with this message at 18:04 on Apr 9, 2020 |
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Gonzo McFee posted:They'd have shared a picture of him if he was in any shape to have one taken. I bet someone in marketing at No. 10 is constantly asking if he's okay for his photo yet. Don't know why they'd be worried, here's one of Boris taken yesterday  Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1248148683822071809 That loving voice man. Sounds like he's drowning in his tonsils.
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Apr 9, 2020 18:04
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Sorry it's US news, but jesus loving christ: https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1247291955123335169
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BizarroAzrael posted:Propose the thread title become "Weekend at Bojo's"
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https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1248289591020396545?s=19 All the cunts who spent the last five years badmouthing Labour got cushy jobs.
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1248289591020396545?s=19 Yep. Making it real loving hard to keep my membership going. Phillips, Kinnock and Streeting all in there as junior ministers.
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1248289591020396545?s=19 Make Labour poo poo Again
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Hope it keeps them happy but that's a lot of corrosive potential if not.
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Apr 9, 2020 18:30
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It needs to, but I knew I was riding the possibility that this was a horse to get Blairite troops past a socialist wall, and Kinnock is a real signal in that direction. I don't have regrets, because RLB wouldn't get anywhere, but I am disappointed that the risk I took seems to be playing out the scenario that made it a risk.
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Apr 9, 2020 18:40
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You'd go a long way in politics with that talent for disowning the consequences you don't like as unavoidable.
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OwlFancier posted:Is the horse looking blairite enough yet? It loving sucks that some of these people are back on the front bench, but look at the pledges Starmer made during the leadership contest: - Free tuition - Nationalise rail, mail, energy and water - End outsourcing in the NHS and justice system - Reverse corporation tax cuts - Abolish universal credit and end benefit sanctions - Replace the House of Lords with an elected chamber - Repeal the Trade Union Act Obviously he might not stick to it, but that ain't a Blairite manifesto. And the more of us leave the party, the less likely he is to stick to it.
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Oh I'm not leaving. I just stand by my initial suggestion that you can't trust the man at all. Labour still needs to be dealt with even if that's because it's an obstacle rather than a vehicle.
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I hear he's in good spirits. Like Nelson. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sucking_the_monkey
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