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If you were attempting to investigate whether bad aesthetics can constitute a moral failing then harry potter is certainly the strongest argument I can think of.
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OwlFancier posted:People have pointed out that pidcock probably wasn't expected to lose her seat. And I would also point out that a lot of the things that would have made corbyn the ideal PM also make him unable to do things like plan succession. I do not think there is some candidate who believes wholly in the democratic right of people to govern themselves and for them to be free of the predations of capital and state, and who also machines control of the party as effectively as stalin. The two are not necessarily opposed but I think they are kind of opposed in mindset. And the latter would look extremely untrustworthy even if they existed. Pidcock was a virtual unknown too. Not putting a successor into one of the great offices of state and letting the party/country get to know them was a mistake. And for what it's worth I don't agree that really basic forward planning like that is incompatible with being a lefty leader.
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I think it is staggeringly unlikely to coincide with a long and good service in the labour party, however, due to various effects during its recent history.
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It strikes me that you're looking for a unicorn to lead. I'd like to say that the left isn't necessarily being too nice to fight dirty, but if I had believed RLB was capable of it I'd have voted for her.
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Apr 10, 2020 00:40
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OwlFancier posted:If you were attempting to investigate whether bad aesthetics can constitute a moral failing then harry potter is certainly the strongest argument I can think of. Why? If we know that these idiots, that are essential to our potential coalition, would respond to being called some version of Dumbledores Army then why not do it? It's so loving easy the books are good if that is their holy text then awesome let's work with it.
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Apr 10, 2020 00:55
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Because we're muggles in their headspace.
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Vitamin P posted:Why? If we know that these idiots, that are essential to our potential coalition, would respond to being called some version of Dumbledores Army then why not do it? It's so loving easy the books are good if that is their holy text then awesome let's work with it. The books are terrible for a variety of reasons, not least of which the spectacular degree of their commodification makes them all the more aesthetically repellant. They actively worsen everything associated with them by proximity. And of course that's the main thing people like about them, their ubiquity, the massive piles upon piles of themed poo poo you can purchase to demonstrate your affinity with other consumers of the product. It's one of the most capitalist aesthetics I can think of except possibly super hero movies, except blessedly I have managed not to see any of those. The liberalism/capitalism is baked into the property at its very core, not just diegetically but like, in its whole mode of expression too. Its aesthetic both internal and as collectively expressed is more intrinsically liberal IMO than big stupid concrete art deco is nazi or tower blocks are soviet. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 01:05 on Apr 10, 2020 |
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Apr 10, 2020 01:00
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floofyscorp posted:In Portsmouth the clapping(and pots and pans, and shouting) is accompanied by every loving boat in the naval base going BWAAAAARP on their horns. My cats hate it. So glad I moved out of that shithole. I mean, I moved to the toriest village in the world. But they're so tory that they wouldn't demean themselves by standing on their doorsteps and clapping like plebs. So I can pretend that I'm not in a tory shithole.
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Apr 10, 2020 01:08
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OwlFancier posted:The books are terrible for a variety of reasons, not least of which the spectacular degree of their commodification makes them all the more aesthetically repellant. I think chicks like it because they can imagine waving a wand and being a warrior hero tbh. OwlFancier posted:The liberalism/capitalism is baked into the property at its very core, not just diegetically but like, in its whole mode of expression too. Its aesthetic both internal and as collectively expressed is more intrinsically liberal IMO than big stupid concrete art deco is nazi or tower blocks are soviet. You are 100% overthinking it but go off king.
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Of all the books I read as a kid I think I remember harry potter the least. I certainly can't remember why I liked it enough to read most of it. I do remember getting bored of it around book four though.
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Apr 10, 2020 01:21
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Vitamin P posted:Why? If we know that these idiots, that are essential to our potential coalition, would respond to being called some version of Dumbledores Army then why not do it? It's so loving easy the books are good if that is their holy text then awesome let's work with it. Just...fucks sake. I know we've got downtime because of the rona but I was hoping to watch all of The Good Place and 100% the RE3 Remake. And now you've put this idea into my head. How dare you.
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Apr 10, 2020 01:27
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Why not read something good like His Dark Materials or Garth Nix instead? Or Pratchett, always a good shout.
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forkboy84 posted:Yeah, but there's no guarantee it'll stick. Look how much poo poo it took for them to find something that stuck with Corbyn. 
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I tried Harry Potter, I really did. I even tried listening to the Stephen Fry spoken word (back when it first came out). But just didn't get on with it. Watched about 10 mins of one of the films, didn't grab me at all.
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Congratulations on your good taste. HDM is absolutely worth a reread as an adult IMO because you can have a lot of fun with the incidental details about the world. Such as the fact that Texas is part of New Spain and there are Skraelings visiting the college, and east anglia is still mostly trackless fen. And that the inventor of the crookes radiometer was an experimental theologian. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 01:36 on Apr 10, 2020 |
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Apr 10, 2020 01:31
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Glad I refreshed isborisjohnsondead.com before reading the thread, because 400 new posts really got my hopes up.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:I tried Harry Potter, I really did. I even tried listening to the Stephen Fry spoken word (back when it first came out). But just didn't get on with it. Watched about 10 mins of one of the films, didn't grab me at all. Likewise. Though I also grew up reading all sorts of ‘boarding school adventure’ stories- the sort of poo poo with dorm feasts, wizard pranks (as opposed to Wizard pranks) and japes and so on, and HP just felt like a poo poo version of that. Though I think if HP had crossed my radar when I was seven or eight I would have absolutely lapped it up; I was in my mid teens when the books first became a Thing and by then thoroughly embarrassed by the poo poo I used to read (Jennings books were my jam as a kid), so I turned against it by default.
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I've watched a mix of the Harry Potter movies, but Prisoner of Azkaban is legit a great movie from start to finish, and I think that has to do with the director being Alfonso Cuarón, the man who made thread favourite Children of Men just two years later.
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I have seen it but I don't remember it.
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I was more into movies and comics as a kid. The visual world appeals to me more than words. John Constantine, Hellblazer was my jam and I've never seen any live action version nail it. Constantine is a grizzled liverpudlian with the weathered face of a man who smokes like a chimney. He's not a babyfaced californian.
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Keanu Reeves and Tilda Swinton however are a winning combination for any film. Constantine is a good film having zero interest in the source material.
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As its own thing the movie is great. I particularly enjoy the camerawork and the effects on the moments where dying people transition into the limbo/pre hell space.
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OwlFancier posted:having zero interest in the source material. You'd like it. There's a running gag that Margaret Thatcher is a literal archdemon.
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Camrath posted:Likewise. Well I was wondering if it was an age thing, I was in my late 30s when HP came out. But then I have friends my own age (and older) who got really into HP and still are!. I was a bit shocked when a good friend who is 55 was over the moon to go to an HP exhibition last autumn with her mother who was equally delighted! My friend was equally shocked that I have never read more than a few pages of an HP. As a kid I used to love the school adventure stories - Mallory Towers - how I longed for a chocolate brown school tunic with an orange belt - with the pranks and discovering the headmistress was actually the male head of a crime gang (as in the 1960s St Trinians films, not the more recent travesties), or gangs of smugglers were using the school to store stolen barrels of whisky or whatever. When my school friends were into reading Jackie magazine, I preferred June & School Friend with The Four Marys etc.
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I have vague memories of reading a bunch of famous five stuff when I was very young but I can't remember any of the content. I did read a lot of Redwall too and that was a good series. Also has communist shrews.
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Gorn Myson posted:I've watched a mix of the Harry Potter movies, but Prisoner of Azkaban is legit a great movie from start to finish, and I think that has to do with the director being Alfonso Cuarón, the man who made thread favourite Children of Men just two years later. Yeah the first 2 are absolute dogshit films direçtes by Chris Columbus, an awful director, then Cuaron made an excellently dark and weird film, then the rest were varying amounts of ok with a fairly limp ending. Just lol at ever reading those books tho
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I didn't read the books or watch the films.
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Failed Imagineer posted:Yeah the first 2 are absolute dogshit films direçtes by Chris Columbus, an awful director, then Cuaron made an excellently dark and weird film, then the rest were varying amounts of ok with a fairly limp ending. Just lol at ever reading those books tho Film 6 was unusually good. They shot it as a Cold War spy thriller.
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https://twitter.com/IainDale/status/1248345191070797834?s=19 https://twitter.com/IainDale/status/1248164412890001410?s=19 loving amazing stuff, Starmer boys
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I watched the Harry Potter films. I was young when they started and was all "yeah that's kinda cool I guess" but by the time the last movie was out I was playing DnD with my friends. By that point, there's some neat visuals in there I guess but the story and the concept is pretty crummy compared to literally anything my buddies have conceived of with a d20 in hand. Imagine this as a backstory: I was visited as a child by a lich who has many phylacteries. Because my character was chosen to be one of these phylacteries, members of a prestigious wizarding academy enlisted me to be in the fight against the badguy, but only because my death is a requirement to defeat him. That's fine, because my parents are dead and I lived with my abusive uncle in squalid conditions until I was groomed by professor hetcon into being a child soldier.
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/IainDale/status/1248345191070797834?s=19 Almost as if the right wing shitheads really, performatively want us to believe a couple of junior appointments mean all is lost.
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Azza Bamboo posted:I was more into movies and comics as a kid. The visual world appeals to me more than words. John Constantine, Hellblazer was my jam and I've never seen any live action version nail it. Matt Ryan nailed it so well in the shortlived TV series that they brought him back to reprise the role in the Arrowverse shows.
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I stayed out of the last thread broo ha ha butFailed Imagineer posted:Azza I would forgive you having opinions as bad as pissflaps if you weren't an equally tedious oval office too. At least you drew some funny cartoons before your wafer-thin interest in leftist politics evaporated tho Also, Azza Bamboo posted:Who would you pick? Yes, Foreign Secretary, natch. Pratchett ->> Terry Goodkind -> Potter At least the cockwomble libertarian understands that he has an ideology. E: OwlFancier posted:I have vague memories of reading a bunch of famous five stuff when I was very young but I can't remember any of the content. I did read a lot of Redwall too and that was a good series. Also has communist shrews. Redwall is good, if a bit Christian Lit for modern sensibilities. I still have a soft spot for Swallows and Amazons. Also, the only good Potter story is Harry Potter and the Natural 20. RockyB fucked around with this message at 02:43 on Apr 10, 2020 |
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If the best you've got is "you're a oval office" I don't feel too badly off here.RockyB posted:Yes, Foreign Secretary, natch. I think it'd be a good own to the media for about five minutes. Azza Bamboo fucked around with this message at 03:04 on Apr 10, 2020 |
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RockyB posted:Redwall is good, if a bit Christian Lit for modern sensibilities. It's strange in that it's religion shaped but it doesn't actually have much actual religion in it. Like they all live in an abbey but they don't appear to have any actual religion.
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Much like Narnia or Lord of the Rings it has a very post-WW2 fight against evil aesthetic to it. I'd like to think that these days we have a bit more of a greyscale understanding of 'evil'. That said if I came back to it now without 20 years of built up tolerance, I'm sure I'd find it just as engaging as I did the first time through. See also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjqqRlgzv6c Oh yeah, and dear god do I identify with the Abbot popping mints constantly. Fake Edit: Azza it was less of the oval office and more of the tedious.
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I guess if I was going to criticise it based on memory it has the weird "animals are sapient but defined entirely by their species" thing. Though if you took species as an analogue for class rather than race (as the predator/prey relationship does lend itself well to) then you could probably do a left reading of it. Generally the baddies are obligate carnivores which makes sense from the perspective of a group of small furry mammals. I don't think there's anything at all wrong with the notion of a simple good/evil conflict, the issues are really all in how they're characterised, making real people who are actually bad, the good guys, and using the wrong methods. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 03:27 on Apr 10, 2020 |
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OwlFancier posted:I guess if I was going to criticise it based on memory it has the weird "animals are sapient but defined entirely by their species" thing. There is however the one where a stoat/weasel is brought up in Red Wall Abbey and well jeez he just can't help but be a little poo poo/giant detriment because he's one of the vermin races. He redeems himself in the end, though. By dying.
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