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fascism is an ideology that holds strong appeal for people other than straight white dudes, both historically and today. peoples' identity is an important thing about them but it isn't always the most important thing. historically you need look no further than ernst rohm. of course, he was purged fairly early on but so were plenty of others DOCTOR ZIMBARDO has issued a correction as of 19:00 on Apr 10, 2020 |
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I mentioned Douglas Pearce because Death in June is a specific reference to the Night of the Long Knives. Some of these people fixate on that as when the dream died; fascism good but Hitler bad, we don't have to account for anything the Nazis actually did. It accords very well with that supremely elitist outsider power fantasy. I admit I used to listen to too many podcasts from Zero Books and Dead Pundits and a few other people who were obsessed with the questions "Does Trump meet the dictionary definition of a fascist" and "What's wrong with the woke liberal left." Halloween Jack has issued a correction as of 19:08 on Apr 10, 2020 |
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It probably boils down to fascism being initially about aesthetics. If you are susceptible to the aesthetics of it, then the fact that you would be first or second against the wall likely doesn't even factor into the rational. See all the hispanic Trump voters.
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There's also racism. Being extremely online and into mmos and poo poo I've met too many of these people, and it almost always boils down to that. And of course most LGBT groups are rightfully going to kick your racist rear end out, so the only people they can be with are the ones who agree with them on that. That they would be killed in the ideal world they espouse doesn't cross their minds, because what's important to them is being able to say the n word. e: oh and for all the crossdressers it's even weirder, as there's an undercurrent of hatred for trans women among them. Their ideology is that it's better to be a crossdresser than trans, with trans people being at the bottom of the fascist totem pole. Eimi has issued a correction as of 20:00 on Apr 10, 2020 |
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"At least I'm better than those _________s"
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I'm sure the knife in the back play during sex is fanatic.
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Halloween Jack posted:The first person who comes to mind is Douglas Pearce of Death in June, who as far as I can tell is a genuine Strasserist. You reminded me of an old post in the industrial music thread which I think gives some insight into the mindset: didn't DiJ and other artists from that scene originate in left wing politics before lurching hard right? it's funny that Pearce seems to be the only one of those guys who is still fashy, Wakeford (who oddly enough was kicked out of DiJ for being too overtly fash in the 80s?) iirc said "yeah I was a dumbass back then and regret my involvement with the national front"
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saw some dude in a gas station wearing a button up shirt with norse symbols n poo poo on it and a car that had anime waifu stickers on the windows and a big FUELED BY ANIME TITTIES sticker on the bottom part of the windshield and though of this thread
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people with gender dysphoria who hate themselves so they spend too much time on the internet, wind up on 4chan where they pick up loathsome ideas, and then the dysphoria gets to the point where they can no longer completely ignore it but now their sexuality is entwined with shame because they can't let go of the bigotries they've adopted, mostly racism but including homophobia or transphobia, so they'll always hate themselves it's just fascists who happen to be trans / have GD. weird phenomenon
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Mr Interweb posted:ugh. i'm listening to doug lain from zero books interviewing that andrew doyle douchebag, and some other anti-SJW dipshit, and he's not pushing back on their bullshit at all. this is david rubin level of uselessness: A Gnarlacious Bro posted:Lol that's what Zero Books does Halloween Jack posted:The first person who comes to mind is Douglas Pearce of Death in June, who as far as I can tell is a genuine Strasserist. You reminded me of an old post in the industrial music thread which I think gives some insight into the mindset: https://twitter.com/cockydooody/status/1244778314792759296
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the nazi version of the soyface where u look like a clash of clans ripoff thumbnail
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:i think zero books is some kind of platypus society / frustrated petty-booj academic leftcom thing that sees criticism of the left as the only political activity worthwhile, so it kinda spirals into that i think yea his poo poo is all really inside baseball left academia stuff. its weird that hes even slightly crossed over into left wing youtube
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Lol is zerobooks still platforming reactionaries? How useless.
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my bony fealty posted:didn't DiJ and other artists from that scene originate in left wing politics before lurching hard right? I think the thing with the death in June guys (and a lot of LGBT “magikal” cryptofash artists) is that they are coming to Mystical Nazisim as an outgrowth of BDSM style power dynamics. So many neofolk/ industrial artists obsession with oppression and martyrdom seems like an attempt to interpret history in the context of DOM and SUB and since they already believe in kooky magic bullshit they think they can sublimate this into a personal transcendence. So typical third way bullshit but coming from people who have though way too hard about human sexuality and mysticism and don’t want materialism butting in AT ALL. I Think this actually applies “leftist” groups like Coil, Current 93, and throbbing gristle (all have collaborated with cryptofash artists) too as many of them focus on the individual tragedy of the bound and whipped martyr.
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:i think zero books is some kind of platypus society / frustrated petty-booj academic leftcom thing that sees criticism of the left as the only political activity worthwhile, so it kinda spirals into that i think I agree with this guy too
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Little lord fontlroy aristocrats cosplaying as the sexy boys who died for what they believed
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Eimi posted:There's also racism. Being extremely online and into mmos and poo poo I've met too many of these people, and it almost always boils down to that. And of course most LGBT groups are rightfully going to kick your racist rear end out, so the only people they can be with are the ones who agree with them on that. That they would be killed in the ideal world they espouse doesn't cross their minds, because what's important to them is being able to say the n word. I'm still baffled by the fact that they all seem to pretend most fascists are what they appear to be in propaganda from the 30s-40s when they're trying to do thirst trap poo poo for the right, when in reality there's very very few attractive far-right people. I'm genuinely baffled by the ugliness of fascists since generic Republicans look about as good or bad as the average person is, but I have rarely seen an attractive alt-right/white nationalist/whatever the gently caress. Gavin McInnes has no chin, Matthew Heimbach looks like a human hedgehog, Richard Spencer is a pudgy boy with a dumbass Hitler hair-do, Nick Fuentes is a booger-eater and looks like the type of gamer who is only skinny by virtue of forgetting to eat when playing MMOs, and so on. It's like, gently caress, I'm not even claiming leftists or liberals are somehow more beautiful on average, I just feel like the people who have little going for them but the color of their skin join up with these right wing movements and there's a good chance that "little going for them" also includes personal beauty or willingness to groom themselves well or diet.
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Leni Riefenstahl when filming triumph of the will complained that there was a critical lack of photogenic nazis and that she had to cover up all the ugly nazis with banners in shots.
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miniscule12 posted:Leni Riefenstahl when filming triumph of the will complained that there was a critical lack of photogenic nazis and that she had to cover up all the ugly nazis with banners in shots. Source? Edit: Not disbelieving you. Just wanting to read it and laugh.
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Samovar posted:Source? I cannot for the life of me find it because google knows I'm typing no-no words into the search bar. I remember the quote "pot bellies".
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this whole thread of some alt-right boy from massachusetts is kind of interesting in how we was trying to snitch on his old group https://twitter.com/AntiFashGordon/status/1248514024972718080
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A Gnarlacious Bro posted:I think the thing with the death in June guys (and a lot of LGBT “magikal” cryptofash artists) is that they are coming to Mystical Nazisim as an outgrowth of BDSM style power dynamics. So many neofolk/ industrial artists obsession with oppression and martyrdom seems like an attempt to interpret history in the context of DOM and SUB and since they already believe in kooky magic bullshit they think they can sublimate this into a personal transcendence. So typical third way bullshit but coming from people who have though way too hard about human sexuality and mysticism and don’t want materialism butting in AT ALL. look, i just like current 93 because they play weird creepy satan music; i never looked into it too deeply tho i guess you *would* have to be a bit fashy to get into aleister crowley that much, now that i think about it
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Current 93 has also worked with members from Crass, the prototypical anarcho-punk feminist anti-capitalist anti-fascist etc. group, so I figure Tibet just doesn't care too much aside from how it lets him experiment.
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Members of crass also worked with the nazi guy from death in June. I’m just saying that that whole scene was made of posers obsessed with the aesthetics of marginalized “elite” ideologies and mystical poo poo and “real politics” a distant afterthought. Crass also published conflict on their label and the guy also went fash in short order.
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There was more radical left wing energy in lunkhead groups like Discharge and Motörhead than the entirety of the Anarcho-punk scene which was by and for rich kids with a fetish for lecturing the peasants.
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I don't disagree. Especially regarding Motörhead and basically all the dis* bands. Another fun example of an anarcho punk who turned hard right is Rob Miller from Amebix and Tau Cross. Started out hardcore anarchist, no borders, no gods, no masters, to now being all "it's the Jews!" and spreading various conspiracy theories. KozmoNaut has issued a correction as of 17:44 on Apr 12, 2020 |
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well, whatever their politics are, i got a nice playlist worked up, so thanks for that anyway
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Current 93 would get on stage and blame jews for everything, gently caress that band.
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also gently caress you Burzum
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Siljmonster posted:also gently caress you Burzum https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zAI5xCTx9c
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That article brought it up but the good news about neofolk and industrial bands is you don’t need to worry about them since they only appeal to wimpy liberal new-age nerds who like to pose as transgressive, while the real violent right wing power of the country is broadcast every day on its most popular news channel. So I don’t think you really need to self-crit too hard about enjoying a skinny British guy moan about ruins.
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A Gnarlacious Bro posted:So I don’t think you really need to self-crit too hard about enjoying a skinny British guy moan about ruins. well thanks, i feel a lot better also, lmao
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who gives a poo poo about any of those bands lol
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isn't McInnes a millionaire? of all the people here, why does he keep tripping over his dick to grift also lmao do they feed Milo table scraps in a bowl with his name on it
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coke isnt cheap and all the Vice Media has-beens probably still do it by the kilo to pretend like they're still in their early 20s shane smith is probably actually a billionaire though
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Ministry and KMFDM have always been aggressively antifascist so just listen to them
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