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where is our terribly stupid vw fanboy who is not defending his dumbshit commentary
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Apr 8, 2020 18:07
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Like if you somehow think you’ve blown this thing wide open with your brilliant insight that “all companies are bad” or whatever don’t you think vw a hundred billion dollar company with hundred billion dollar lawyers would have made that argument already instead of just confessing to multiple courts in multiple countries and paying tens of billions of dollars in fines At least the coal rolling trucks have beds that could theoretically be used for something vs your lung cancer Jetta
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Apr 8, 2020 18:19
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BraveUlysses posted:where is our terribly stupid vw fanboy who is not defending his dumbshit commentary i like my golf r so therefore VW is a good company
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Apr 8, 2020 18:24
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TBH I thought VWs would lose more value due to that poo poo, so I'm disappointed in VW at the moment.
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Apr 8, 2020 18:36
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I hope GM gets the stitching kinks worked out before they start shipping 3LT trim level Ventilators. https://www.corvetteforum.com/artic...fkPN0tVdT_O21ak That looks like someone just tried to eyeball it with a handy stitch 
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Apr 9, 2020 05:35
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Look on the bright side: GM can’t gently caress up Corvette stitching if GM can’t build Corvettes!
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Apr 9, 2020 05:39
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That stitching is probably done bad on purpose to give it that handmade/artisan look.
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Apr 9, 2020 06:46
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CornHolio posted:That stitching is probably done bad on purpose to give it that handmade/artisan look. It's GM. Hanlon's Razor cuts deep.
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Apr 9, 2020 07:44
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The mismatch in the alignment of the stitching between the passenger door and the dash would drive me bonkers.
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Apr 9, 2020 16:50
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https://twitter.com/ASlavitt/status/1248071014124335107
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Apr 9, 2020 17:39
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Bigly news.
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Apr 9, 2020 17:41
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So, who's betting that the administration will refuse to pay them citing the lack of need in August and GM will have just spent millions retooling and producing for nothing?
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Apr 9, 2020 17:47
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bull3964 posted:So, who's betting that the administration will refuse to pay them citing the lack of need in August and GM will have just spent millions retooling and producing for nothing? Oh, we’ll almost certainly still need them in the summertime. If not GM can probably sell them to other countries.
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Apr 9, 2020 18:59
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bull3964 posted:So, who's betting that the administration will refuse to pay them citing the lack of need in August and GM will have just spent millions retooling and producing for nothing? Trump not paying someone? I would be shocked.
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Apr 9, 2020 19:07
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Midjack posted:Oh, we’ll almost certainly still need them in the summertime. If not GM can probably sell them to other countries. You misunderstand me. I know we will still need them, but August is 3 months from the election so of course this will be over so we won't 'need' them.
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Apr 9, 2020 19:09
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Eh, just call them 2021 models and jack up the MSRP by $500.
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Apr 9, 2020 19:12
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bull3964 posted:You misunderstand me. Probably, and it's hosed up but honestly I'll have a hard time feeling sorry for GM if it happens.
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Apr 9, 2020 19:37
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KakerMix posted:Bigly news. Ohh, 10's of thousands of ventilators! So, many! Except some of the estimates are that we likely will have a peak need of as many as 500 to 600,000... 10-15,000 per state on average.
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Apr 9, 2020 20:25
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Who's "we" in this case? Just the U.S. in general?
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Apr 9, 2020 20:48
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Yeah, if projections are anywhere near correct, we won't need them beyond... like, a few weeks from now. https://covid19.healthdata.org
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Apr 9, 2020 22:16
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There's assumptions to those projections though which likely won't hold. For one, they are only 4 month projections. For second, those projections are made assuming social distancing is maintained until June 1st which is extremely unlikely due to the pressure being put on states to re-open things.
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Apr 9, 2020 22:23
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I'm aware of the limitations. I have had so many goddamned meetings on this it's unreal. There are other more significant limitations to the modeling. However, all that matters for ventilator availability is peak need. We will reach peak utilization very soon regardless of social distancing being eased, because things were so mishandled early on. Even if the longterm forecast is way off (which only requires a few days of error to peak), we will not need GM's equipment if it's not here very, very soon.
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Apr 9, 2020 22:32
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I'll get you next time, gadget. Next time.
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Apr 9, 2020 23:43
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Haha GM dragging their feet so they don’t have to do it; is the new “husband does bad at doing dishes so he never gets asked to do it again”.
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Apr 10, 2020 00:20
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tetrapyloctomy posted:Yeah, if projections are anywhere near correct, we won't need them beyond... like, a few weeks from now. The issue I suspect here is that like any model, it's only as good as the numbers you plug into it. Given the insane lack of testing and governors trying to pretend this all doesnt exist, any modelling isnt going to be close to what happens. Eg : It's probably not controversial to think the official US numbers are at least 4 times under reported for total infections and the number of deaths also nowhere near the truth either.
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Apr 10, 2020 01:35
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Wonderllama posted:Haha GM dragging their feet so they don’t have to do it; is the new “husband does bad at doing dishes so he never gets asked to do it again”. Comments like this just show how little people know about what it takes to build tooling and setup a production line. Particularly for something a company has never produced before.
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Apr 10, 2020 03:27
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I was surprised how quick they were getting things going, for some companies that size it could take a year.
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Apr 10, 2020 03:44
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Disgruntled Bovine posted:Comments like this just show how little people know about what it takes to build tooling and setup a production line. Particularly for something a company has never produced before. I know some people don’t think much of him but didn’t Dyson build 10 brand new newly-designed ventilators in like a week or two and then donate them? Who knows if they work or last but 10 in a pretty short period of time says to me you should be able to mobilize your thermoplastics people and build something that sucks and blows and has a minimum of moving parts ... and for automotive engineers something with maybe 100 parts should be the equivalent difficulty of a Silicon Valley Hackathon day project
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Apr 10, 2020 03:49
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Disgruntled Bovine posted:Comments like this just show how little people know about what it takes to build tooling and setup a production line. Particularly for something a company has never produced before. i agree but it just seems odd to even have them do it at all
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Apr 10, 2020 05:45
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:The issue I suspect here is that like any model, it's only as good as the numbers you plug into it. Given the insane lack of testing and governors trying to pretend this all doesnt exist, any modelling isnt going to be close to what happens. Naturally, none of this matters anyway when the federal government literally is getting in states' ways instead helping them. tetrapyloctomy fucked around with this message at 12:38 on Apr 10, 2020 |
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Apr 10, 2020 12:22
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Tremek posted:I know some people don’t think much of him but didn’t Dyson build 10 brand new newly-designed ventilators in like a week or two and then donate them? Who knows if they work or last but 10 in a pretty short period of time says to me you should be able to mobilize your thermoplastics people and build something that sucks and blows and has a minimum of moving parts ... and for automotive engineers something with maybe 100 parts should be the equivalent difficulty of a Silicon Valley Hackathon day project any OEM (or highly engineered product company) rapid prototyping department can throw together a small number of pretty much anything really quickly but that's not really useful. mass production is a totally different ballgame.
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Apr 10, 2020 12:25
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Not car related but re:tooling up for new stuff, I work in a machine shop and Titleist is local. They are switching over to extruding rubber straps for masks and we made the dies, so that was cool.
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Apr 10, 2020 14:03
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:any OEM (or highly engineered product company) rapid prototyping department can throw together a small number of pretty much anything really quickly but that's not really useful. mass production is a totally different ballgame. Agreed, but 10k of something that’s a relatively simplistic device where I’m sure GM can just license a goddamn design instead of rapid prototyping makes this even more ridiculous. Ford’s already building if I’m not mistaken?
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Apr 10, 2020 15:31
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you can license a design but building it at scale and sourcing and manufacturing components is the complicated part. ford basically did the rapid prototyping thing, they aren't set up for series production at scale. that's also what Dyson did.
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Apr 10, 2020 15:59
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Tremek posted:Agreed, but 10k of something that’s a relatively simplistic device where I’m sure GM can just license a goddamn design instead of rapid prototyping makes this even more ridiculous. Ford’s already building if I’m not mistaken? https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/amp31917145/ford-respirators-coronavirus-covid-19/  
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Apr 10, 2020 20:15
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:you can license a design but building it at scale and sourcing and manufacturing components is the complicated part. It also helps to know Dyson in a lot of ways is as much of a hype artist as Elon Musk. Unless you put together a assembly line of pure humans with all the variations and fluctuations that entails, no one can just begin mass production of any equipment in a very short time. The machinery itself takes months to properly design, test, calibrate let alone the software to run it and all of it's bugs and issues it will have. And then there's the supply chains for hundreds of components that also have their own test and design lead times. It can be stepped up timewise but yeah nah, you absolutly need more than a couple of weeks to do this, esp from scratch. And the logistics behind that is another problem quote:omething that’s a relatively simplistic device Cutting steel is simplistic. The machine to do it automatically is not.
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Apr 11, 2020 00:23
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Also ventilators don’t just suck and blow. Pressure, volume, timing all need to be adjustable IIRC. And it all needs to be sterilisable. And also not kill people, you can’t just wing it, like you can with say ignition locks, fuel tanks or airbags.
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Apr 11, 2020 00:47
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it's interesting that you can almost always tell software people and hardware people apart
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Apr 11, 2020 01:07
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Nope, this is how you get more people unnecessarily dying with that mindset. We don’t need ventilators that last 10 years - we need ventilators that will last a single patient or a month or 3 months. Do you think M1 Garands made by International Harvester and IBM were built with exacting quality standards? Don’t need to sterilize something that’s disposable after a single patient. Wartime production, nerds. CPAPs on steroids, not bureaucratic supply chain nightmares
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I think ibm garands or whoever garands were made to the same standards as all of them. I've never heard of anyone saying certain manufactures are worse, only that they are rare or collectable.
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