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Victory Position posted:so what's the plan for heavy industrial processes such as the ones required to create estrodiol on a wide scale if only there was some sort of model wherein most industries would be placed in local worker' governments' hands, and leave strategically important industries that require strong oversight to a centralized democratically accountable state
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Judge Dredd Scott posted:if only there was some sort of model wherein most industries would be placed in local worker' governments' hands, and leave strategically important industries that require strong oversight to a centralized democratically accountable state idk that doesnt sound very anarchist to me
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Trabisnikof posted:idk that doesnt sound very anarchist to me i think its a pretty good idea tho. worth a shot
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Victory Position posted:so what's the plan for heavy industrial processes such as the ones required to create estrodiol on a wide scale anarchists don't know what industry does, they're too busy writing zines and making music imagine running industrial processes that modern society relies on to keep everyone alive in a "non-hierarchical" way
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Apr 11, 2020 01:38
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Raccooon posted:Did Virgil Texas have a falling out with the rest of the Chapos or something? He died.
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Apr 11, 2020 01:49
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virgil eloped
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Yeah I hosed him
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Shipon posted:imagine running industrial processes that modern society relies on to keep everyone alive in a "non-hierarchical" way not that hard to imagine 
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Apr 11, 2020 01:57
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Judge Dredd Scott posted:if only there was some sort of model wherein most industries would be placed in local worker' governments' hands, and leave strategically important industries that require strong oversight to a centralized democratically accountable state doesnt answer the question lmao. most anarchists conception of industrial manufacturing is stuck at a caricature of Victorian textile mills. if you tried to draw a chart of all the industrial inputs needed to produce a single microchip inside your phone (including all of the extremely specialized materials and equipment used by each supporting industry) you'd go insane. but sure, self organize that you smelly weirdo
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Apr 11, 2020 02:06
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Take the old system, remove the aspects of heriarchy and replace them with a horizontalist management method. It isn't hard, and I don't mean to shock anyone, but we have ~computers~ that can manage the nitty gritty day to day. I know it's revisionist western science, so it'll take a while for it to sink in. It's also quite telling that ya'll assume we have to do much ourselves. I have no idea how a foundry works, but I can let the foundry workers do what they will once the boss is out of the way. Will you defend the necessity of bosses, so long as they are called soviets? Yall sure talk about anarchism without knowing anything about it.
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Slanderer posted:doesnt answer the question lmao. most anarchists conception of industrial manufacturing is stuck at a caricature of Victorian textile mills. if you tried to draw a chart of all the industrial inputs needed to produce a single microchip inside your phone (including all of the extremely specialized materials and equipment used by each supporting industry) you'd go insane. trying to understand why you think this is a point worth making
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Apr 11, 2020 02:23
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t man just wants to leave Multivac in charge of anything
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eighty-four merc posted:trying to understand why you think this is a point worth making because it's incompatible with anarcho-trustfunderism
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Slanderer posted:because it's incompatible with anarcho-trustfunderism right, he would not be able to do that, and if he tried it would drive him up the wall so what?
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Apr 11, 2020 02:33
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Dr. Killjoy posted:t man just wants to leave Multivac in charge of anything Either humans are capable of self organization into ethical power structures, or we will be compelled into them by another force. This is the only means to survive long term. Anything short won't last 100 years, much less the millennia we ought enjoy.
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Slanderer posted:because it's incompatible with anarcho-trustfunderism "Things am hard" is not the damning critique you think it is.
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amateurs argue with anarchists by asking them to describe how society functions when they take power professionals argue with anarchists by asking them how they plan to take power
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Apr 11, 2020 03:07
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virgil is sending coded messages 
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Atrocious Joe posted:amateurs argue with anarchists by asking them to describe how society functions when they take power Yes quote:professionals argue with anarchists by asking them how they plan to take power 
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Atrocious Joe posted:professionals argue with anarchists by asking them how they plan to take power god loving drat it tremendous av/title/post combo edit: lmao I got the stupid bernie ahahahahaha
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Anarcho-syndicalists are alright, but that's because a syndicate is literally just a socialist state by a different name anyways.
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Apr 11, 2020 06:53
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Mantis42 posted:Anarcho-syndicalists are alright, but that's because a syndicate is literally just a socialist state by a different name anyways. it sounds cooler imo. i love punk music and the games of peter molyneux
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Mantis42 posted:Anarcho-syndicalists are alright, but that's because a syndicate is literally just a socialist state by a different name anyways. When you're a socialist but you want your boss to be president
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gh0stpinballa posted:i don't know star wars very well so the guest hayley was a useful source of info. but all of them talking over each other and her made these episodes unlistenable at certain points tbh. like she'd go to say something interesting and immediately the other 3 would just start babbling excitedly. bit rude. Matt was annoying as gently caress in the Episode III one especially. He made it almost unlistenable
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Finicums Wake posted:there's a pretty big difference between keynesian capitalism with capital controls and a lot of domestic industrial production within the developed countries, and the neoliberal globalizes capitalism that followed. yea they're both forms of capitalism, but flattening both periods into the same thing doesnt make sense to me We can try to understand why one thing turned into the other though and in the more conspiratorial version it's just because some bad people like money more than their country or whatever.
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Apr 11, 2020 14:02
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I mean, it’s just fascism
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https://twitter.com/balkansopranos/status/1249004659269873665?s=20
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Answers Me posted:Matt was annoying as gently caress in the Episode III one especially. He made it almost unlistenable I can’t imagine being this wrong
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the latest True Anon 9/11 episode was insanely stupid. just a lot of their guest saying “I’m not an engineer, but <incredibly stupid and easily disprovable statement>”. ignorance is forgivable, but it made it clear that he had never read a single reputable source lol
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Apr 11, 2020 19:17
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Slanderer posted:the latest True Anon 9/11 episode was insanely stupid. just a lot of their guest saying “I’m not an engineer, but <incredibly stupid and easily disprovable statement>”. ignorance is forgivable, but it made it clear that he had never read a single reputable source lol Are you denying Bush did 9/11?
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Apr 11, 2020 19:20
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would much rather prefer that reaction than the half-assed "outreach" they're trying to do
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Slanderer posted:the latest True Anon 9/11 episode was insanely stupid. just a lot of their guest saying “I’m not an engineer, but <incredibly stupid and easily disprovable statement>”. ignorance is forgivable, but it made it clear that he had never read a single reputable source lol are you saying the conspiracy podcast was motivated in their reasoning by the narrative they want more than truth!?
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lancemantis posted:are you saying the conspiracy podcast was motivated in their reasoning by the narrative they want more than truth!? the secret to a good conspiracy story is sounding just smart enough to be interesting.
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Answers Me posted:Matt was annoying as gently caress in the Episode III one especially. He made it almost unlistenable good, gently caress star wars
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to mock what trueanon was saying you first have to believe, with a hand on your heart, eyes tearfully raised to the US flag, rosey of cheek and some apple pie up your rear end, that a 747 collided with one of the tallest buildings in the world and in the resulting explosion of jet fuel and office paraphernalia, the hijackers passports were ejected from the cockpit intact and fluttered gracefully to the street below where some intrepid FBI agents discovered them and gee whizz'd them on over to the office where the 9/11 commission was holding its first meeting. basically you must be a child, and not a very bright one.
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Doctor Jeep posted:good, gently caress star wars He interrupted Hailey when she was going to reveal Lucas films connection to MKUltra
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i watched a bit of a livestream with trueanon and brace was talking about how atlantis is real and theyre all still alive under teh atlantic or something. i love em but dont take trueanon too seriously lol
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gh0stpinballa posted:to mock what trueanon was saying you first have to believe, with a hand on your heart, eyes tearfully raised to the US flag, rosey of cheek and some apple pie up your rear end, that a 747 collided with one of the tallest buildings in the world and in the resulting explosion of jet fuel and office paraphernalia, the hijackers passports were ejected from the cockpit intact and fluttered gracefully to the street below where some intrepid FBI agents discovered them and gee whizz'd them on over to the office where the 9/11 commission was holding its first meeting. uh please someone found it on the ground while evacuating and were a good Samaritan and turned it over to a NYPD officer who gladly took it as part of his sworn duties to reunite someone with their lost passport in the middle of 9/11. Regular stuff.
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it just ocured to me that 9/11 could've been a cia setup like the fbi does with muslims where they buy all the ingredients to a bomb for someone and basically bully some mentally impaired kid into saying "yes mr. fbi i want to blow up the post office" but the cia was incompetent and it uh got out of hand
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Doctor Jeep posted:it just ocured to me that 9/11 could've been a cia setup like the fbi does with muslims where they buy all the ingredients to a bomb for someone and basically bully some mentally impaired kid into saying "yes mr. fbi i want to blow up the post office" but the cia was incompetent and it uh got out of hand Trueanon at least made a decent point that the anthrax attacks could have been a false flag poo poo. Little extra push to make sure 9/11 got the patriot act through.
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