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Koorisch posted:Is there a way to force the US Civil war to fire really early? The Civil War really barely matters, just make sure to raise Yankee soldiers and station them around the borders of where the Confederates will pop up and you should win it in a year. And about immigration, you get enough migrants just from being in the New World as The Cheshire Cat said, but as America you also get a few decisions that increase your migrant attraction so you shouldn't worry about it too much. Try looking at the migration mapmode during a big European war and you'll see how many you attract. One slightly hidden thing is that you can get the Statue of Liberty from France if they like you enough and have some steel and coal techs, so you should try to stay at 200 relations with them.
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Drone posted:Doesn't the USA tag in V2 also have a hardcoded immigration pull factor as well? So regardless of what happens, whatever country has the USA tag will hoover up far and away more immigrants than anyone else in the Americas? Yes. The problem the US has is that it's RGOs are so huge that there's never going to be a pool of unemployed pops centred in a state for a factory to soak up.
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Drone posted:Doesn't the USA tag in V2 also have a hardcoded immigration pull factor as well? So regardless of what happens, whatever country has the USA tag will hoover up far and away more immigrants than anyone else in the Americas? I don't think it's hardcoded, it's just the Homestead Act and being a democracy.
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One weird thing about viccy 2 is those 1% research bonuses. I've seen that several nations gets special decisions that grant just that, and... well, that's not having a noticeable effect.
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Apr 10, 2020 10:42
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Victoria 2 has a lot of fiddly bonuses that don't have any noticeable effect.
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Cease to Hope posted:Victoria 2 has a lot of fiddly bonuses that don't have any noticeable effect. To be fair, most of the system is completely inscrutable. But research is pretty straight forward.
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Nosfereefer posted:To be fair, most of the system is completely inscrutable. But research is pretty straight forward. Inventions not so much though.
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Cease to Hope posted:Inventions not so much though. What’s confusing about them?
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A 1% chance is tremendous because it's 1% chance per... actually I don't even know offhand. It's difficult to calculate the value of prestige inventions before undertaking them. Rather than phrasing things like "You cannot invent this until you've researched X," that is phrased as a blocker penalty, usually also with a small number. There's a lot of things that go into making them counterintuitive.
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It feels like a 1% chance per day, but it also feels like it has a limit per month. As sometimes you'll get a few in a month, then nothing till the next one ticks over.
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Apr 10, 2020 16:24
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I eventually figured out what 1% meant in this context well enough to play Vic2. The problem is that it's completely counterintuitive, especially compared to, say, a 1% research increase.
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Apr 10, 2020 16:39
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it's also not really 1% because most inventions have other things that are supposed to bump-up the chance
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Apr 10, 2020 16:44
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I'm fairly positive it's a monthly chance, but now I can't find where I saw that. The base chance being 2% means an additional 1% chance is tremendous because it's a 50% increase.
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GrossMurpel posted:I don't think it's hardcoded, it's just the Homestead Act and being a democracy. Statue of Liberty is pretty ridiculous
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My favourite PDX games are Stellaris and HOI4, and for both I haven't bought the latest expansion. Which one would you advice me to buy and play during the quarantine? Between Federations and La Resistance, which one is the best DLC overally. And which one is changing the game the most, so that it makes more sense to replay it some more? Thanks!
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Apr 10, 2020 19:36
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Federations is probably the best dlc since Utopia just off the Origin system alone Havent tried la resistance myself so I cant tell you about that one
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I should really get back into Stellaris, I haven't played it since before 2.0, it's probably like a totally different game by now
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RabidWeasel posted:I should really get back into Stellaris, I haven't played it since before 2.0, it's probably like a totally different game by now it is definitely a totally different game now
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GrossMurpel posted:I don't think it's hardcoded, it's just the Homestead Act and being a democracy. Immigration is one of those things where Victoria 2 shows its age and how it fell right in the period when Paradox was transitioning from a more historically based, mostly scripted experience, to a more dynamic systems driven one. Like on its own immigration rates look like a dynamic system you can engage with but in practice the only thing that matters is "being America" and there is no way that other nations can even really compete. There's just nothing you can do as a player that will give you modifiers anywhere close to what they get automatically.
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The Cheshire Cat posted:Immigration is one of those things where Victoria 2 shows its age and how it fell right in the period when Paradox was transitioning from a more historically based, mostly scripted experience, to a more dynamic systems driven one. Like on its own immigration rates look like a dynamic system you can engage with but in practice the only thing that matters is "being America" and there is no way that other nations can even really compete. There's just nothing you can do as a player that will give you modifiers anywhere close to what they get automatically. You can just add global_immigrant_attract = 0.5 to your immigration NF and then every country can do it!
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The Cheshire Cat posted:Immigration is one of those things where Victoria 2 shows its age and how it fell right in the period when Paradox was transitioning from a more historically based, mostly scripted experience, to a more dynamic systems driven one. Like on its own immigration rates look like a dynamic system you can engage with but in practice the only thing that matters is "being America" and there is no way that other nations can even really compete. There's just nothing you can do as a player that will give you modifiers anywhere close to what they get automatically. I feel like they're veering back into that direction except now it just "feels" player driven. EU2: As Austria, sit around and play nice with everyone until you inherit Hungary and Bohemia EU4: As Austria, wait to click the mission complete button until your allies can beat Hungary or Bohemia's, then effortlessly invade them and own the maximum extent of the Austro-Hungarian Empire by 1480, also, you get diplomacy boosts and many of your natural allies conveniently rival those two countries! Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 23:04 on Apr 10, 2020 |
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The Cheshire Cat posted:Immigration is one of those things where Victoria 2 shows its age and how it fell right in the period when Paradox was transitioning from a more historically based, mostly scripted experience, to a more dynamic systems driven one. Like on its own immigration rates look like a dynamic system you can engage with but in practice the only thing that matters is "being America" and there is no way that other nations can even really compete. There's just nothing you can do as a player that will give you modifiers anywhere close to what they get automatically. Just full occupy the USA until it turns into a wartorn wasteland
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:I feel like they're veering back into that direction except now it just "feels" player driven. In HOI4 and increasingly EU4, sure. Not so much CK2, CK3, or Imperator. And Stellaris was never going to be paint-by-numbers.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:EU2: As Austria, sit around and play nice with everyone until you maybe inherit Hungary and Bohemia. Maybe you don't. That missions in EU4 are powerful and railroady to an absurd degree isn't something I'd argue against, but hankering for the awful days of random events dictating incredibly game changing parts of the game seems like an overreaction. It's not like EU3 did much differently than EU2 when it came to how that kind of historical railroading. It's also why I hate playing Spain/Aragon, as you risk never getting the Iberian inheritance. Sure, it's gotten incredibly unlikely these days, with Queen regencies being enough to trigger it, but I've had it happen and it is absurdly aggravating. I don't know if it's a special brand of brain worms I have, but when that happens, I don't think "Oh well, I guess I get to enjoy a different sort of game", I think "Well, that's hours of my life I'm never getting back" as I start a new game.
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Blargh, tried to screw over Prussia while it was weak after a lost war against Austria but General Moltke hosed my plans up pretty hard with his 4+ attack bonus. Also I'm pretty new to Victoria 2's combat system so I don't know how to handle wars in a way that doesn't just mean catastrophic losses for me.
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I don't know why we don't have a dedicated Victoria 2 thread.
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because it would get a post a week tops as it's an old a f game paradox is already niche and most of the activity in this thread is the usual war crimes derail, it's fine.
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AnEdgelord posted:weirdly enough the stellaris one is pretty active stellaris is a super successful game and constantly getting new patches and dlc
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This is the victoria 2 thread.Koorisch posted:Blargh, tried to screw over Prussia while it was weak after a lost war against Austria but General Moltke hosed my plans up pretty hard with his 4+ attack bonus. The key thing with vicky 2 is that defense gets progressively stronger as the game goes on, to the point where you can win some ridiculously lopsided victories as a dug-in defender in the 1900s. The other thing to know is that not having gas masks when your enemy has gas attacks is a death sentence. Find the techs that give those inventions and prioritize the heck out of em.
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missions are one of the best thing theyve added to eu4. being able to plan around specific events happening or so on is way better than it just being rng.
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yikes! posted:This is the victoria 2 thread. Fighting someone with gas attack capability is also the easiest way to get gas masks quickly, however, with some ridiculous modifier like 25%.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Fighting someone with gas attack capability is also the easiest way to get gas masks quickly, however, with some ridiculous modifier like 25%. Yeah although this is pretty risky because as long as they have the gas advantage they will be annihilating you in combat so you might end up losing most of your army before they figure it out.
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yikes! posted:This is the victoria 2 thread. Yeah, i know about the gas masks and defence but how do you fight in the early game without losing, is there some special trick to it or is it just to ignore most of the other techs and just go full murder?
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Koorisch posted:Yeah, i know about the gas masks and defence but how do you fight in the early game without losing, is there some special trick to it or is it just to ignore most of the other techs and just go full murder? The solution is always artillery. Build armies with 4 infantry, 1 hussar, and 5 artillery so your entire backline is filled. Tech is indeed important, get the rightmost column whenever a new decade gets around, the tactics modifier works like discipline in EU and makes your entire army better. The inventions you get by researching arty and infantry techs are absolutely ridiculous as well. Some people only keep artillery armies around during peace and then fill them up with mobilized infantry divisions once they go to war but that's too much micromanagement for me. Build railroads so that whenever an army gets attacked, you can ship in your entire theater forces within a few days. I dunno if we have a tech guide somewhere but in general you should not be trying to fill out all the old techs in every tree before you start researching new ones. Stuff like Commerce or factory techs is helpful but normally less immediately important than having a good army. E: Oh yeah and definitely look at their generals and yours, if you notice that one of their armies has a 4+ attack general then steer clear of it unless you have overwhelming local superiority of numbers. And by god stick a defense general on your army before it gets attacked. GrossMurpel fucked around with this message at 14:36 on Apr 11, 2020 |
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im actually not the biggest fan of early game mass artillery. before you get into the big minus combat width techs and all the artillery techs, you need massive gently caress off stacks to actually fill your front line and they are considerably worse in that situation.
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I never care about combat width, I just make armies of the 10 brigades you need to stay at 100% occupation speed.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Fighting someone with gas attack capability is also the easiest way to get gas masks quickly, however, with some ridiculous modifier like 25%. The ridiculous modifier is actually 5%. That is actually really high, but see what I mean about invention chances being super unintuitive? The Cheshire Cat posted:Yeah although this is pretty risky because as long as they have the gas advantage they will be annihilating you in combat so you might end up losing most of your army before they figure it out. There is no other way to invent gas defense. The invention chance is 0% unless you're at war with someone with gas attack. You don't even have a chance to invent gas defense in peacetime if you yourself have invented gas attack.
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Cynic Jester posted:That missions in EU4 are powerful and railroady to an absurd degree isn't something I'd argue against, but hankering for the awful days of random events dictating incredibly game changing parts of the game seems like an overreaction. It's not like EU3 did much differently than EU2 when it came to how that kind of historical railroading. It's also why I hate playing Spain/Aragon, as you risk never getting the Iberian inheritance. Sure, it's gotten incredibly unlikely these days, with Queen regencies being enough to trigger it, but I've had it happen and it is absurdly aggravating. I don't know if it's a special brand of brain worms I have, but when that happens, I don't think "Oh well, I guess I get to enjoy a different sort of game", I think "Well, that's hours of my life I'm never getting back" as I start a new game. I don't think EAH is hankering for the EU2 days.
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